| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:30 - Jun 9 with 1951 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:26 - Jun 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
Agree with much of that but future potential and the here and now are different things. Keeping us up is a bigger task than getting Fulham to 13th IMO, and the latter for a couple of seasons would probably be enough to get McKenna a bigger job. I think those calling it a sideways step are underplaying the appeal of a club that have finished 10th, 11th, 11th & 13th in the past 4 years.
Obviously I hope he doesn't go, but I can see the merit in it from KM's perspective. |
I reckon McKenna would also be backing himself to turn that run of mid-table finishes into something like 10th, 8th….in which case coupled with playing a decent brand of football would see him firmly in the window for bigger jobs
I’ve no doubt he’ll be backing himself to succeed here too but still will know that staying up is a huge ask, and probably even achieving par in battling well but ultimately succumbing to relegation will hurt his reputation, so I can definitely see why he’d be interested |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:31 - Jun 9 with 1941 views | victorysquad |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 11:52 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
Doesn't feel a lot of meat on the bones in the article, and still only been TalkSport pushing anything on this.
Hopefully it is because it isn't happening, main reason I haven't thought it would is because they seem to be more interested in the free agents, and the difference between that and an £8m release clause is massive |
I do wonder if Talksport HAVE to push these stories to keep the bookies happy, who sponsor them.
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:31 - Jun 9 with 1937 views | Chris_ITFC |
Read the article.
Consider how little it says.
No insight. No secrets. Nothing revealed.
No claim that anyone has even met / discussed it.
A flimsy, nothing headline to go with it.
That says all you need to know about it. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:31 - Jun 9 with 1932 views | portmanking |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:26 - Jun 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
Agree with much of that but future potential and the here and now are different things. Keeping us up is a bigger task than getting Fulham to 13th IMO, and the latter for a couple of seasons would probably be enough to get McKenna a bigger job. I think those calling it a sideways step are underplaying the appeal of a club that have finished 10th, 11th, 11th & 13th in the past 4 years.
Obviously I hope he doesn't go, but I can see the merit in it from KM's perspective. |
But it's been a struggle for Fulham to stay there. They've essentially gone backwards in the last 4 years going on this metric. Silva grew disillusioned at the club's lack of ambition. It's a club at a serious crossroads this summer.
Do you really reckon keeping Fulham 12th/13th for a year or two is a body of work that'll get him the United job? Cos, let's be honest, that's McKenna's end goal.
For KM, I see little upside and plenty of downside in Fulham. If they finish 12th, their fans and maybe even the local press will say (so what? maintained status quo etc.). Can he get them challenging the top 8? I'd say not looking at their squad/financial muscle.
The downside is that they don't recruit well (again) this summer, get sucked into a battle (likely with us) and could even finish below us!
I can't square the circle that he's turned down well-run, ambitious clubs like Brighton and Brentford in the past in favour of our project, only to now jump ship for Fulham. | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:32 - Jun 9 with 1885 views | positivity |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:26 - Jun 9 by Illinoisblue |
If we lose him to Fulham that’s going to be sickening. |
payback for them failing to recognise bobby's genius? | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:37 - Jun 9 with 1796 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:31 - Jun 9 by portmanking |
But it's been a struggle for Fulham to stay there. They've essentially gone backwards in the last 4 years going on this metric. Silva grew disillusioned at the club's lack of ambition. It's a club at a serious crossroads this summer.
Do you really reckon keeping Fulham 12th/13th for a year or two is a body of work that'll get him the United job? Cos, let's be honest, that's McKenna's end goal.
For KM, I see little upside and plenty of downside in Fulham. If they finish 12th, their fans and maybe even the local press will say (so what? maintained status quo etc.). Can he get them challenging the top 8? I'd say not looking at their squad/financial muscle.
The downside is that they don't recruit well (again) this summer, get sucked into a battle (likely with us) and could even finish below us!
I can't square the circle that he's turned down well-run, ambitious clubs like Brighton and Brentford in the past in favour of our project, only to now jump ship for Fulham. |
They just finished 11th and only 2 points off 7th, I'd say its been a steady build and one where they've firmly established themselves as a mid table premier league side. They might have lacked ambition for Silva given he's been there for a number of years, but the new manager will be fresh to it, with fresh ideas and able to inherit a solid base. People talk of losing players, Brentford lost a few key players last summer and it didn't seem to hold Andrews back. Another season like the last one and he'll be ahead of McKenna for a bigger job if he stays and adds a relegation to his CV. Not saying I agree with it but that will be the reality.
Hopefully he stays and we finish outside the bottom 3, that would be a fantastic achievement and its not impossible by any stretch. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:41 - Jun 9 with 1729 views | BlueBadger |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:01 - Jun 9 by PhilTWTD |
Not nothing in it, they are long-time admirers, but I don't think there's much in that other than speculation. I've heard from two sources from different angles that Fulham don't appear to know who they want yet. |
I feel like you should post this in a new thread and sticky it. [Post edited 9 Jun 14:52]
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:42 - Jun 9 with 1704 views | djgooder |
Does the transfer window open Monday? I think so.
I’d love a few beneath the radar transfers and McKenna all smiles. Then we’ll all believe we are heading for Europe!
Fingers crosssed…… |  | | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:44 - Jun 9 with 1653 views | AljoBlue |
I also want it decided quickly.
My opinion is this is not helpful in convincing the level of player we are after to come here. If it was me, and i was not an ITFC fan, I would already be highly sceptical about our chances of staying up even with McKenna in charge - but the possibility you sign for us / McKenna and he leaves within a few weeks would be gutting.
I felt this was an issue last time, and then we were largely recruiting players from the championship with the lure of playing in the premier league. [Post edited 9 Jun 12:45]
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:45 - Jun 9 with 1646 views | Illinoisblue |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:32 - Jun 9 by positivity |
payback for them failing to recognise bobby's genius? |
They’re playing the really long game. This sounds mean but if he does go there I hope it goes badly for him and them. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:47 - Jun 9 with 1590 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:37 - Jun 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
They just finished 11th and only 2 points off 7th, I'd say its been a steady build and one where they've firmly established themselves as a mid table premier league side. They might have lacked ambition for Silva given he's been there for a number of years, but the new manager will be fresh to it, with fresh ideas and able to inherit a solid base. People talk of losing players, Brentford lost a few key players last summer and it didn't seem to hold Andrews back. Another season like the last one and he'll be ahead of McKenna for a bigger job if he stays and adds a relegation to his CV. Not saying I agree with it but that will be the reality.
Hopefully he stays and we finish outside the bottom 3, that would be a fantastic achievement and its not impossible by any stretch. |
Reggie LeBris above KM on the jobs lists too I would think. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:48 - Jun 9 with 1540 views | darkhorse28 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 11:45 - Jun 9 by burnbudgiesburn |
If its agent planted rather than speculation - get it done quickly. Take the 8m.
Need the new guy in, with the capability to have his own players.
Has to be noted though, that his agents were planting these stories the last time all the speculation came up. Time for a new contract perhaps? ;) [Post edited 9 Jun 11:47]
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Tell me how you make a new contract work. He’s one of the best paid managers in world football, and he’s only had success outside the top leagues.
That’s an impossible circle to square.
Maybe face facts. Ashton can’t build the structure around him, to mitigate his weaknesses, and develop an elite club.., McKenna isn’t stipid, both parties made a poor decision when he could have joined Brighton.
Mark Ashtons ability in building talent ID is our ceiling and limitation now…, we shouldn’t have built an entire club around Mark.
McKenna gets it. Lots of our fans, don’t.
He’ll leave because he knows how far we are off this level.., he’s partly to blame, as well as all the credit for our success too, but it was Marks job to fix the talent ID it’s been force years, hundreds of millions spent and our links this year look like an ADHD child with a 2000’s football fixation took a guess.
Where the young, dynamic, world class talent other clubs that survive sign…, early days but McKenna can see this windows a continuation of previous failures.., he’s not an idiot.
Good luck to him.., our most successful manager outside the top flight.., that’s not elite - but it is hugely impressive.
Suspect a club that recruits well, where he coaches, he’ll do great.
That’s not us. He really should have gone to Brighton, great fit for him.
We need a manager who has networks globally, or Ashton to leave .., and that isn’t happening.
I don’t think Ashton 1% knows how to do this. | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:50 - Jun 9 with 1513 views | muccletonjoe |
If he was going and they were going to pay the £8million , it would be done by now. Both sides would be keen to get it over and done with. I cant see any reason for it dragging out. Therefore its my opinion , he ain't going anywhere. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:51 - Jun 9 with 1471 views | OldFart71 |
On the face of it if KM goes then it's strange timing. Given that when we were last promoted it came out of PR that whilst it was great to a large extent not expected and not ready.
If it is now considered that we are more ready then why leave ?
I understand Fulham are a club that has consolidated and are established, whereas we are by no means in that situation which if we survived could take another two or three seasons minimum to get where Fulham are. So that may be what KM sees and the chance to improve over and above what Town will possibly be able to do.
Do I think Fulham is a bigger club ? Certainly not. Is their Stadium better than ours. I'd say it's certainly not better and if PR is developed then ours will be better.
There's always that nagging doubt though as to how KM sees the future potential at Ipswich against what he would already have at Fulham and if he could improve them a few notches it would be another step on the ladder to a bigger club either here or abroad. | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:52 - Jun 9 with 1436 views | Benters |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:41 - Jun 9 by BlueBadger |
I feel like you should post this in a new thread and sticky it. [Post edited 9 Jun 14:52]
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Nobody truly knows apart form KM what he will do though.
If KM stays great good luck to him.
If KM goes sad but good luck to him. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:53 - Jun 9 with 1425 views | itfcjoe |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:37 - Jun 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
They just finished 11th and only 2 points off 7th, I'd say its been a steady build and one where they've firmly established themselves as a mid table premier league side. They might have lacked ambition for Silva given he's been there for a number of years, but the new manager will be fresh to it, with fresh ideas and able to inherit a solid base. People talk of losing players, Brentford lost a few key players last summer and it didn't seem to hold Andrews back. Another season like the last one and he'll be ahead of McKenna for a bigger job if he stays and adds a relegation to his CV. Not saying I agree with it but that will be the reality.
Hopefully he stays and we finish outside the bottom 3, that would be a fantastic achievement and its not impossible by any stretch. |
To get us to where Fulham, would involve, at the very minimum keeping us up well, this season and then finishing safely in mid table in 27/28 - by that point McKenna will have been here nearly 7 years, to then take us to the next level and get us pushing for Europe, and as established as a Brighton would taken another 2-3 year - he's simply not going to manage us for a decade as much as we all would love it.
We are fans, we are here for life, he has one career he has to manage carefully and methodically - the route to a Champions League job from here involves leaving at some point whilst reputation intact, if next season goes as everyone expects it to he's back to being a couple of years away from even getting this type of job again.
Ultimately, if we want this club to progress as much is it can, it will involve moving on from McKenna at some point because he isn't going to be here forever, so we'll have to make that jump at some point.
I personally still don't see Fulham dropping £8m on him, it's too big a release fee - but if they do agree to pay it then he will be off with my best wishes and thanks |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:53 - Jun 9 with 1415 views | hype313 |
Isn't that a re-hash of what they said last week?
'talkSPORT understands the Ipswich boss is keen on joining the Cottagers'
Agent or Pert..... |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 with 1381 views | squiz |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 11:55 - Jun 9 by burnbudgiesburn |
For me the only negative thoughts i've had regarding him staying from his point of view is that we are going to be one of the favourites for relegation regardless of how we as fans feel.
2 relegations from 2 on his c.v wouldn't look good
Fulham almost feels like he'd be being forced into accepting the only option left having turned down far better jobs to stay.
Wonder if he's a bit irked that he out-coached Carrick & Rosenior only to see them land the Chelsea/Man United jobs. I would be.
Fingers crossed this is just media speculation |
Yeah well said. Thats where I'm at. The KOA podcast made the same point about Carrick and Rosenior (and Maresca) and they've all got 'bigger' jobs than he has.
2 relegations on his CV wouldn't look good so wouldn't be too surprised to see him go sadly. Maybe it won't be Fulham, but maybe someone else in November when the merry go round is in full swing (and we'll have a better idea of how our season is going). |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 with 1387 views | Weekender |
Couple of thoughts that could be in play:
Might KM be in talks or angling for a new ITFC contract and this is agent placed speculation to improve negotiating position? He has 2 years left?
Lots of comments that Fulham would be a strange move and on a football level and I can see that argument but might there be non footballing reasons for moving - being closer to London/ family etc.? |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:57 - Jun 9 with 1314 views | hype313 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 by Weekender |
Couple of thoughts that could be in play:
Might KM be in talks or angling for a new ITFC contract and this is agent placed speculation to improve negotiating position? He has 2 years left?
Lots of comments that Fulham would be a strange move and on a football level and I can see that argument but might there be non footballing reasons for moving - being closer to London/ family etc.? |
His close family are all in Ipswich, he could do a Bart and get a flat in London and keep his family here as they are settled. | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:57 - Jun 9 with 1288 views | portmanking |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 by Weekender |
Couple of thoughts that could be in play:
Might KM be in talks or angling for a new ITFC contract and this is agent placed speculation to improve negotiating position? He has 2 years left?
Lots of comments that Fulham would be a strange move and on a football level and I can see that argument but might there be non footballing reasons for moving - being closer to London/ family etc.? |
Most of his family are either in Ipswich or back in Fermanagh. | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:58 - Jun 9 with 1273 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:16 - Jun 9 by ThatMuhrenCross |
Would be sad to see him go, and really I don't think Fulham is a big enough step up to justify the upheaval. Plus, would they really want to pay £8m for someone there's every chance they could just end up sacking in a few months time?
That said, I don't think McKenna is perfect option for a team "looking to survive". Someone more pragmatic and experienced in Premier League relegation fights might be a better fit for where we are right now.
Regardless of what happens, I'd prefer it was sorted quickly. |
"Someone more pragmatic and experienced in Premier League relegation fights might be a better fit for where we are right now"
No chance Ashton is appointing that sort of manager if KM left. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:58 - Jun 9 with 1267 views | Churchman |
I hope he stays, but will fully understand it if he goes. It’d be a big step up but an intermediate one. He will be after a Sky Six job and Fulham is a perfect stepping stone.
Pretty much guaranteed not to be relegated, every chance to propel Fulham further up the league and a supportive crowd. If he does that for a couple of seasons, he’ll be in the frame for the job he really wants.
He has everything to lose and little to gain by staying here because his chances with our budget and still forming set up are so limited. He’s also been here a long time and everything has a shelf life. Added to that is if we don’t survive, his reputation really will take a hit.
What will be will be and the club is bigger and far more important than him. People come and go. I just hope they have been contingency planning and speculation is not allowed to drag on. All parties - make a decision and move on. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:01 - Jun 9 with 1209 views | SitfcB |
It is only Talksport pushing this though, and none of the other ‘big gun’ journos.
If Percy or Ornstein say it then I’ll worry. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:03 - Jun 9 with 1153 views | hype313 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:58 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
I hope he stays, but will fully understand it if he goes. It’d be a big step up but an intermediate one. He will be after a Sky Six job and Fulham is a perfect stepping stone.
Pretty much guaranteed not to be relegated, every chance to propel Fulham further up the league and a supportive crowd. If he does that for a couple of seasons, he’ll be in the frame for the job he really wants.
He has everything to lose and little to gain by staying here because his chances with our budget and still forming set up are so limited. He’s also been here a long time and everything has a shelf life. Added to that is if we don’t survive, his reputation really will take a hit.
What will be will be and the club is bigger and far more important than him. People come and go. I just hope they have been contingency planning and speculation is not allowed to drag on. All parties - make a decision and move on. |
I think the key thought in his mind is does he want to be seen as someone good enough to get teams up but not good enough to keep them up, clearly we all want us to stay up next season, but the odds are stacked against us, especially compared to Fulham.
The by product of success is that we're vulnerable to being swooped upon, McKenna will go at somepoint, and he might feel his stock is at the highest it can be to get a move.
The umbilical cord will be cut and we just have to hope the powers at be have another card up their sleeve. | |
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