| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… 09:00 - Aug 15 with 6612 views | Kieran_Knows |
… like, I get it, the takeover, Ashton coming in, a massive turn around in players … it’s all shiny and new, and for some people, they’ll never have a word said against it. But for those that share their ‘concerns’, we’re seen as massive ‘COOK OUTERS’.
It was only a few weeks ago me and a few others were saying how poor it was going in to pre-season with only 2 new signings (Evans and Burns at the time). Now don’t get me wrong, Ashton has had a massive job on his hands with regards to player recruitment, but here we are, 2 league games in to the season, still playing like a bunch of strangers and a back 4 that couldn’t look anymore disjointed if it tried. Funny though, because we was told ‘BuT tHe TRanSFeR WInDoW DOesN’t ClOsE tILl tHE ENd OF auGUSt’.
That’s all well, but carry on as we are, and come the end of August we’ll be off the pace and still technically need a pre season for the new signings to get up to speed.
All being said, I think the side picks itself now;
Hladky
KVY Edmundson Burgess Coulson
Harper Evans
Edwards Fraser Chaplin
Pigott
We really need to get all them fit, get them on the training ground working together as a unit and hopefully start picking up wins and points ASAP.
I know this’ll get loads of downvotes, but meh, just some Sunday morning thoughts. We’re not Cook outers, we just have concerns. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:15 - Aug 15 with 4014 views | EricsGate |
Cook has 8 more games for me,
Not good enough and still hearing the same old bull sh1t excuses.
He’s been given everything he needs and needs to step up straight away |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:15 - Aug 15 with 4018 views | le2blue |
They're very valid concerns and we do, and with the quality of players we signed, we should see an upturn in performances that we need. But whilst you and others raised the concern about the number of signings early on, I'm not sure what Mark Ashton and Cook could've done differently? Having decided a complete re-build was required, it was always going to take the time it has to get players through the door, especially the quality we wanted. We could've compromised on quality or paid over the odds that we already have, but I'm not sure it would have helped in the longer term.
You can see that we've recruited some very good, for this level, players, I thought Edwards showed real promise yesterday and Harper continues to show that he should be playing at a higher level. We just need to have a little patience whilst patterns are developed and that often used word happens...they 'gel'.
Indeed the leaders and Cook have said so much, and also guarded against too much early expectations. It is only 2 games in granted, Cook has been here longer, but we just need to chill and let things develop. Better to have all the disruption now and then build, than do what we've done for the last 2 seasons and get off to a flyer and then collapse.
Agree with your team...though I do wonder if they have 1 more marquee signing coming in at centre back that they've been waiting for...and I think Barry is going to push Chaplin really hard for a place. |  | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:21 - Aug 15 with 3973 views | textbackup |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:15 - Aug 15 by le2blue |
They're very valid concerns and we do, and with the quality of players we signed, we should see an upturn in performances that we need. But whilst you and others raised the concern about the number of signings early on, I'm not sure what Mark Ashton and Cook could've done differently? Having decided a complete re-build was required, it was always going to take the time it has to get players through the door, especially the quality we wanted. We could've compromised on quality or paid over the odds that we already have, but I'm not sure it would have helped in the longer term.
You can see that we've recruited some very good, for this level, players, I thought Edwards showed real promise yesterday and Harper continues to show that he should be playing at a higher level. We just need to have a little patience whilst patterns are developed and that often used word happens...they 'gel'.
Indeed the leaders and Cook have said so much, and also guarded against too much early expectations. It is only 2 games in granted, Cook has been here longer, but we just need to chill and let things develop. Better to have all the disruption now and then build, than do what we've done for the last 2 seasons and get off to a flyer and then collapse.
Agree with your team...though I do wonder if they have 1 more marquee signing coming in at centre back that they've been waiting for...and I think Barry is going to push Chaplin really hard for a place. |
If starting slowly with an entire new squad meant the end of sears and the like walking out weekly - i'll take that all day long |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:27 - Aug 15 with 3921 views | 44_not_out |
This 100%
We voice concern and we’re all ‘Cook outers’
The truth is, we’re no further forward than this time last year. Approximately 75% of the new signings are either not match ready or injured… sounds familiar. The new back room team have real nailed it eh.
Forgive me for not getting excited.
And please, stop the ‘the football is better’ posts. It’s not! It’s League One and we have 1 point from two matches and have been beaten by Newport Res in the cup.
I’m not a ‘Cook Outer’, I like the guy….. just start winning now and again
Winning matches, however that is achieved means better football.
Stop accepting mediocrity, because that is all it is at the moment | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:27 - Aug 15 with 3912 views | chicoazul |
Good post
Although I don’t agree that the side picks itself as we have a lot of options in the front 4, and I think we are about to sign a CM who will be very hard to leave out of the team. Plus Cook persists with his mad idea of playing Fraser on the left. And who knows when some of the players in your team will be fit, but that’s a different thing I suppose. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:30 - Aug 15 with 3890 views | bluesym |
Trouble is,there is having concerns and being disappointed in our start,thats fine,but it's comments like one I saw on Twitter yesterday comparing Cook to Tuchel at Chelsea,in regards to Tuchel hitting the ground running so why can't Cook?
There's deffo middle ground here,I have been cautiously optimistic from the start and still am. Its unique circumstances here in terms of the huge clearcut and then starting again from scratch almost.Let's just give this a bit of time,hey? (Not a direct criticism of you BTW) |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:36 - Aug 15 with 3833 views | tractorboy1978 |
We need to get our first choice defence on the pitch and settled asap. For all the attacking talent we've signed, we are currently starting 3 second choice defenders. Needless to say if you concede two goals in a game you aren't going to win very many regardless of the plethora of options you have going forwards.
The fact we already seem to have injury niggles is also concerning. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:38 - Aug 15 with 3804 views | Chrisd |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:15 - Aug 15 by le2blue |
They're very valid concerns and we do, and with the quality of players we signed, we should see an upturn in performances that we need. But whilst you and others raised the concern about the number of signings early on, I'm not sure what Mark Ashton and Cook could've done differently? Having decided a complete re-build was required, it was always going to take the time it has to get players through the door, especially the quality we wanted. We could've compromised on quality or paid over the odds that we already have, but I'm not sure it would have helped in the longer term.
You can see that we've recruited some very good, for this level, players, I thought Edwards showed real promise yesterday and Harper continues to show that he should be playing at a higher level. We just need to have a little patience whilst patterns are developed and that often used word happens...they 'gel'.
Indeed the leaders and Cook have said so much, and also guarded against too much early expectations. It is only 2 games in granted, Cook has been here longer, but we just need to chill and let things develop. Better to have all the disruption now and then build, than do what we've done for the last 2 seasons and get off to a flyer and then collapse.
Agree with your team...though I do wonder if they have 1 more marquee signing coming in at centre back that they've been waiting for...and I think Barry is going to push Chaplin really hard for a place. |
Well said. That's my only issue really when managers have players that can play in a variety of roles and will use that to shoehorn them in to the starting XI, even though that's not their strongest position. Fraser looks our best option as a No.10, so don't play him out wide. When you have Chaplin who appears better centrally, don't play him out wide. Play players in their natural positions and if they have to wait their turn to get selected in their preferred role, then so be it. 'They can do a job there,' doesn't mean they are necessarily the best option. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:38 - Aug 15 with 3805 views | Keaneish |
It was only 5-months ago and on here there was mass hysteria that PC had walked out of his job because new owners had come in and he hadn’t turned up for a press conference.
Fast forward and there’s wild speculation that things are very wrong 2 games into the league season. The reality is, people live vicariously through sound bites. For all the chat on here about the result, as usual there’s little commentary about the game, which speaks volumes.
I was relatively pleased with the performance against Morecambe and Newport despite the results but can’t comment on yesterday. I’ll be at Cheltenham though where I expect nothing less than a good performance and a win but reality is, we all knew and were told it was going to be a slow start to the season so why are we expecting anything different? |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:56 - Aug 15 with 3715 views | quad |
I more or less agree now that the side picks itself.
I've only seen the highlights but the first goal conceded against Burton was an embarrassment. Woolfenden just keeps backing off and inviting an attack and has been doing it in all the games so far and surely needs replacing ASAP.
KVY also looked poor IMO, caught far too high up the pitch and out of position and he also looked quite lightweight (check out the shoulder barge on him immediately after Edwards shot hit the bar). I would be tempted to play Burns ahead of him at right back at least until he gets a bit more up to speed as KVY still looks very rusty IMO.
I think that Evans defensive contribution could be improved.
I don't think Penney has done too much wrong and he might put up a strong fight with Coulson for a starting place. I also think that Chaplin should expect a strong fight on his hands for his position as Dobra, Bonne and Barry could all play there too. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:59 - Aug 15 with 3688 views | tractorboy1978 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:38 - Aug 15 by Keaneish |
It was only 5-months ago and on here there was mass hysteria that PC had walked out of his job because new owners had come in and he hadn’t turned up for a press conference.
Fast forward and there’s wild speculation that things are very wrong 2 games into the league season. The reality is, people live vicariously through sound bites. For all the chat on here about the result, as usual there’s little commentary about the game, which speaks volumes.
I was relatively pleased with the performance against Morecambe and Newport despite the results but can’t comment on yesterday. I’ll be at Cheltenham though where I expect nothing less than a good performance and a win but reality is, we all knew and were told it was going to be a slow start to the season so why are we expecting anything different? |
I don't think anyone has said things are very wrong. It's obviously not ideal at all that we've not been able to beat two sides that will be comfortably in the bottom half when all is said and done. And PC will think the same despite the downplaying expectations bluster. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:06 - Aug 15 with 3633 views | Chrisd |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:59 - Aug 15 by tractorboy1978 |
I don't think anyone has said things are very wrong. It's obviously not ideal at all that we've not been able to beat two sides that will be comfortably in the bottom half when all is said and done. And PC will think the same despite the downplaying expectations bluster. |
That's very harsh on Burton, I don't think they'll be bottom half at all. In fact, that's going to be a tough place to go for many sides in L1. | |
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| Hmmmmm…. on 10:12 - Aug 15 with 3588 views | unstableblue |
Everyone should have concerns because any root and branch transformation of an entire club carries HUGE risk
The club had been completely run into the ground, we had senior players who seemed unable to raise themselves for a game, weak or young players across the team not performing and a manager who had completely disconnected from the squad.
Now we should have concerns Cook couldn’t get a tune out that mess - I don’t buy Gill had managed something, those performances were not that good. But I thought we were going to give him a chance as he rebuilds the team?
It feels like people are freaking out just a little early and there’s a real danger that vibe is going to effect the players.
We all have concerns from 1 point in 6 from two ‘weak’ teams - but I just think it’s bull sh!t that there are easy games in this league. Especially as teams are going to play up against us, and when we bring 2000 away fans.
Also you put your preferred team, where 5 players were not available to Cook yesterday, and critically 3 defenders.
Also it wasn’t Cook who missed the crucial penalty it was Fraser, a perfect penalty taker last season, perhaps an example that the pressure is getting to players.
Why not slate Fraser? Or perhaps realise that is the fans slate the project and that vibe reach the players, then we’re all doomed! |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:14 - Aug 15 with 3568 views | quad |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:06 - Aug 15 by Chrisd |
That's very harsh on Burton, I don't think they'll be bottom half at all. In fact, that's going to be a tough place to go for many sides in L1. |
Not a foregone conclusion with Morecambe either if yesterday's result and performance from them is anything to go by. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:19 - Aug 15 with 3540 views | Dubtractor |
Ipswich fans last season: there is a losing mentality at this club, we accept mediocrity and need a clear out to get winners 8n.
Ipswich fans after 2 defeats and a draw: what a promising start, we're playing great football. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:47 - Aug 15 with 3452 views | quad |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:19 - Aug 15 by Dubtractor |
Ipswich fans last season: there is a losing mentality at this club, we accept mediocrity and need a clear out to get winners 8n.
Ipswich fans after 2 defeats and a draw: what a promising start, we're playing great football. |
It's different this year though isn't it?
Against Morecambe and Burton we've had 24 shots. We haven't looked amazing in attack but we do look to have a lot more goal threat than last year. At least we've scored in both games, so it is an improvement.
Once Edwards starts playing regularly and we know our first choice attackers they will integrate better and we will carry more goal threat than we do now.
Last year our defence was very good, this year it has been very dodgy. That's what has cost us the points. Once Edmundsun, Burgess and Coulson start playing regularly then our defence will improve significantly also. I think Cook has cocked up by letting Wilson go too soon but it's only a blip.
Give it time and it will all come good. So long as we are creating chances the wins will come and once we start winning confidence will increase and we can go on a run. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:58 - Aug 15 with 3401 views | longtimefan |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 10:19 - Aug 15 by Dubtractor |
Ipswich fans last season: there is a losing mentality at this club, we accept mediocrity and need a clear out to get winners 8n.
Ipswich fans after 2 defeats and a draw: what a promising start, we're playing great football. |
As I said when the fixture list came out, I was disappointed with the early games. In my view you always want to play relegated teams early and promoted teams late. Promoted teams always tend to exceed expectations early in the season, while relegated teams take a while to get accustomed to a lower league. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 11:00 - Aug 15 with 3393 views | Darth_Koont |
I think we’ve needed actual competitive games. We’ve grown into both League games – it took Evans and Harper the first half to get settled and get more of a grip and they’re easily the most complete area and partnership on the pitch.
And we could have won both games without too many complaints.
Couple that with an almost completely new first-choice defence that’s likely by the end of the month and I think we’re developing fine performance-wise. The results have been a disappointment but let’s see where we are when the team itself emerges through these games.
Ultimately we need a team that can develop and build rather than a team that gets off to a streaky start with lots of wins and then never progresses. Which we’ve seen each of the past two seasons. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 11:14 - Aug 15 with 3346 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Agree. in 12 months people won't look back at the last three results and say we were really unlucky. The will say we got DLL against 3 bang average teams we should have beaten. Now it's what happens in the next seven. We start winning and those first 3 games will be forgotten. If we don't and keep stumbling forward through our fixtures then all bets are off. Winning or losing is all that matters, full stop.
We will never take a backwards step sounds great in an interview or at a shareholders meeting. Sounds a bit silly after being unable to beat average opposition. [Post edited 15 Aug 2021 11:16]
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 11:16 - Aug 15 with 3337 views | Durovigutum |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 11:00 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
I think we’ve needed actual competitive games. We’ve grown into both League games – it took Evans and Harper the first half to get settled and get more of a grip and they’re easily the most complete area and partnership on the pitch.
And we could have won both games without too many complaints.
Couple that with an almost completely new first-choice defence that’s likely by the end of the month and I think we’re developing fine performance-wise. The results have been a disappointment but let’s see where we are when the team itself emerges through these games.
Ultimately we need a team that can develop and build rather than a team that gets off to a streaky start with lots of wins and then never progresses. Which we’ve seen each of the past two seasons. |
This is the thing. Last two seasons we've started well because we've been settled and stable, but as others clicked into rhythm and built understanding and fitness we started to fall away - see Blackpool as a key example.
Fitness has also been a big thing, how many games did we drop points in the 85th minute plus because we just couldn't get out of our own half as we'd run out of gas? That problem already looks solved. |  | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 12:06 - Aug 15 with 3230 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Problem with this, like much of TWTD lately, is it's just another straw man. Unless I've missed it, people who just have concerns haven't been called "massive ‘COOK OUTERS’". |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 12:11 - Aug 15 with 3201 views | Skip_Intro |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 12:06 - Aug 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Problem with this, like much of TWTD lately, is it's just another straw man. Unless I've missed it, people who just have concerns haven't been called "massive ‘COOK OUTERS’". |
Definition: A straw-man (or straw-dog) proposal is a brainstormed simple draft proposal intended to generate discussion of its disadvantages and to provoke the generation of new and better proposals.
So you're saying that all of the bedwetters are in fact deliberately misrepresenting themselves to provoke a postive discussion? |  | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 13:41 - Aug 15 with 3055 views | cressi |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 12:11 - Aug 15 by Skip_Intro |
Definition: A straw-man (or straw-dog) proposal is a brainstormed simple draft proposal intended to generate discussion of its disadvantages and to provoke the generation of new and better proposals.
So you're saying that all of the bedwetters are in fact deliberately misrepresenting themselves to provoke a postive discussion? |
We will be fine times and patience are different now to when Robson and Ferguson walked into the job.
For years we have watched rubbish to be honest , stick together as for KVY
come on his being long time injured maybe take a couple of months physically
And maybe longer mentally.
So get behind them stop the trolling | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 13:54 - Aug 15 with 3013 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 12:11 - Aug 15 by Skip_Intro |
Definition: A straw-man (or straw-dog) proposal is a brainstormed simple draft proposal intended to generate discussion of its disadvantages and to provoke the generation of new and better proposals.
So you're saying that all of the bedwetters are in fact deliberately misrepresenting themselves to provoke a postive discussion? |
Straw man argument, not straw man proposal. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 13:54 - Aug 15 with 2999 views | chrismakin |
The problem is, there are many posters unable to ignore last season to just go with this season as new and in it's beginning stage.
If Cook left tomorrow and a new manager came in, you would give him time. No different to how it should be with Cook
Am i blind? no, fraser on the flanks I don't get, but I also can see that through performances there are alot of positives to take that weren't there in the past. The amount of fullback crosses being put in etc is a lot higher. Some aren't of great quality. But that will come with either improvement by the player in question or that player is replaced by a better option. BUT the style and what PC is looking to do is clear to see.
It's the same people continuing their negative persuation like it's cool to be negative. I've seen ' Deserved nothing, got nothing' regarding yesturday, which is pathetic to be honest.
If it's not Cook out, why the continued push to spread negativity? what does it achieve? trying to turn more and more into negative town fans? how does it help?
We're told being patient and remaining calm about things is lacking ambition, yet constantly moaning about things yet not calling for PC's head is what exactly? just moaning for the sake of it? if it's that bad then surely you are calling for Paul's head no? if not, shut up and enjoy the positives that are there, as there are plenty. If you wish to carry on with the negativity, fine.. but be brave enough to back it up and say Cook out. |  |
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