| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? 20:10 - Jun 2 with 15531 views | cbower |
That's if we do sell him. He is still very young, is coming off a season of critical acclaim from fans, fellow players and managers and may well be someone we would look at were he not already our player. I appreciate he is currently behind Morsy, Luongo, Ball, Evans and probably also Humphreys and Camara. However, in two years time how much will Morsy and Luongo have left? Can Evans and Camara stay fit? Does Ball have enough to be first choice? Is Humphreys ready?
For me, El Miz might be where Jack Taylor is now in 12-18 months. Loan him out again and reassess this time next year, we effectively have 2 years more with the 12 month option on his contract.
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:19 - Jun 2 with 5986 views | Trequartista |
Yes i don't see the problem with loaning him to league one next season to see if he can rip it up like he has league two, he's only 22. Otherwise, what was the point of loaning him to league two this season when he cannot have done any better. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:20 - Jun 2 with 5978 views | Pique |
I think it's the right call to sell him (if that's what we end up doing).
For me, the 'he'd be well down the pecking order' argument is a bit of a red herring. The real question should be 'is he ready to be a Championship midfielder?' He's done fantastically well in League Two and has certainly done to suggest he'd be a good player in League One, but it'd still be asking a hell of a lot for him to be starting another league higher.
One of the marks of a successful, well run club is not just recruiting well, but also selling well (and at the right time). And I feel like this is El Mizouni's time - the iron may never be hotter than it is right now in terms of getting a decent return.
Could come back to bite us - it happens. But for me it's time to cash in and use the money towards further strengthening. |  | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:24 - Jun 2 with 5938 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
I'd rather not sell him but this is how it is going to be from now on. We will sell when we are in a position of power to do so, backing ourselves on the gamble to profit and find a better replacement. Its a gamble to both sides though. I back us to get a good deal, even if I would rather see him develop in a Town shirt. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:26 - Jun 2 with 5918 views | SheffordBlue |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:19 - Jun 2 by Trequartista |
Yes i don't see the problem with loaning him to league one next season to see if he can rip it up like he has league two, he's only 22. Otherwise, what was the point of loaning him to league two this season when he cannot have done any better. |
We still have FFP to deal with and if we're going to be buying a few over the summer we'll need some player sales to keep us in line. Loans don't help there and we'd be lucky to get a club paying all his wages. As long as we have a decent sell on clause then if he ends up smashing it as Prem player we'll still get something back in the future. | |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:33 - Jun 2 with 5877 views | Daninthecampo |
Mckenna has great experience and knowledge of coaching young players, if he thinks he will be good we'll keep him if not flog him with a nice sell on fee.
In Mckenna we trust!
Personally I don't think he'll ever make the grade here now | | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:45 - Jun 2 with 5806 views | FrimleyBlue |
No. If we sell him we will have future fee clauses. Sell on % etc.
Can't keep hold of everyone. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:45 - Jun 2 with 5814 views | HatStand |
Irrelevant post really [Post edited 2 Jun 2023 20:46]
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 21:42 - Jun 2 with 5666 views | rickw |
I would sell him but put a clause in that we can buy him back for say double or treble whatever we sell him for.
I think he needs stability rather than more loans, but if he really excels which I think we all believe he has it in him too, then we can get him back at a reasonable price |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:22 - Jun 2 with 5508 views | ArnieM |
I’d keep El Miz and off load Ball. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:24 - Jun 2 with 5495 views | EssexBloo |
Nope.
I’d trust KMac and Ashton to make the correct decision over anyone’s thoughts on a football chat forum. | | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:26 - Jun 2 with 5477 views | J2BLUE |
Surely it would be a loan? |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:40 - Jun 2 with 5438 views | strikalite |
Wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to go given the Clubs that are interested and where he sees himself here in terms of pecking order, but I'd make damn sure of a big sell on clause and number of appearances etc..
Is there a maximum sell on clause a Club can put on a player? |  | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 23:00 - Jun 2 with 5384 views | NthQldITFC |
Unless any fee is much higher than suggested so far, and assuming that he'd have significant interest from a decent League 1 club based on last season and the higher level clubs supposedly interested in a permanent, I can't see why we wouldn't loan him for a half season and reassess at Christmas. Or full season, possibly.
Even if he tanks in that time, we will hardly have lost a fee significant to our owners, and the upside could be much higher if he pushes on with his development. Surely any wages the loan club wouldn't be paying would at worst be small change to our owners too?
I think you can do too much tidying up sometimes, and leaving a few loose ends around might prove to be a good idea. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 23:55 - Jun 2 with 5289 views | StNeotsBlue |
I'd like to see him stay, if that means a loan at a League 1 club then so be it. If we were linked with a 22 year old who had just had a storming season for the best team in League 2 then many of the people who are saying cash in would be clamouring for us to sign him. |  | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 02:21 - Jun 3 with 5137 views | wkj |
His contract is up in 2024 so the club might be in a situation where they have to sell if re-signing isn't looking possible. I am not sure if there is a trigger on this though. The problem we have is - Is he good enough for a promotion pushing team in the EFLC or not.
I am sure KMC will have a good look at him over the summer, but if we do sell him I am sure it will be done with mind to protect our assets and not risk losing them for nout - you know... the Marcus Evans way of doing things. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 04:37 - Jun 3 with 5102 views | SE1blue |
I think that’s impossible to answer right now but I’m OK with letting him go.
I think it’s much worse to let go of players who are influential regulars (I’m thinking Jason Dozzell, Taricco, Matt Holland etc.) that consistently perform, than guys who’ve been on loan (and no disrespect, at Leyton Orient) and aren’t part of the current squad.
Liam Gibbs are Andre Dozzell are just a couple of recent examples (for me) of no regrets and similar ability expectation. Plus I think our upward trajectory will stay ahead of El Miz’s own development. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 06:15 - Jun 3 with 5040 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:22 - Jun 2 by ArnieM |
I’d keep El Miz and off load Ball. |
I agree Arnie. For me, Ball looks nothing more than a "safe" but lacklustre midfielder. He can do a job, decent at receiving and passing. But has Ball done anything that gets you off your seat? If he has, I've missed it. El Miz on the other hand can do that, I think he has a better range of passing and is more dynamic than Ball. I think it all comes down to pre-season, and Kieran will be looking at the data on fitness, speed, stamina etc. On all these metrics I would expect El Miz to be ahead of Ball. Just my opinion. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 07:08 - Jun 3 with 4945 views | PioneerBlue |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 22:22 - Jun 2 by ArnieM |
I’d keep El Miz and off load Ball. |
I don’t see how this helps. He still has no easy route to regular first team games only minutes here and there. He would have Morsy, Luongo, Evo, Camera, and PLUS potential new signing. He’s ready for a long string of matches higher than L2; I’d trust KMcK to assess whether that’s immediately jumping L2 to Championship. I imagine his side is also pushing either for more money or a large signing fee from a sale. | |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 07:23 - Jun 3 with 4917 views | NthQldITFC |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 04:37 - Jun 3 by SE1blue |
I think that’s impossible to answer right now but I’m OK with letting him go.
I think it’s much worse to let go of players who are influential regulars (I’m thinking Jason Dozzell, Taricco, Matt Holland etc.) that consistently perform, than guys who’ve been on loan (and no disrespect, at Leyton Orient) and aren’t part of the current squad.
Liam Gibbs are Andre Dozzell are just a couple of recent examples (for me) of no regrets and similar ability expectation. Plus I think our upward trajectory will stay ahead of El Miz’s own development. |
I think perhaps your last sentence hits the nail on the head, and that's a great place for us to be in.
I'd still prefer a loan out, 'just in case', but to paraphrase Noel Gallagher on Radio 5 this morning, if Kieran McKenna told me to redecorate my house in sky blue pink with yellow dots I would do it, knowing that it must be the right thing to do. | |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 07:53 - Jun 3 with 4865 views | GavTWTD |
Kieran has him theoretically until 1st September so that's a long time to appraise what he can do for us. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 08:09 - Jun 3 with 4828 views | SheffordBlue |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 06:15 - Jun 3 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I agree Arnie. For me, Ball looks nothing more than a "safe" but lacklustre midfielder. He can do a job, decent at receiving and passing. But has Ball done anything that gets you off your seat? If he has, I've missed it. El Miz on the other hand can do that, I think he has a better range of passing and is more dynamic than Ball. I think it all comes down to pre-season, and Kieran will be looking at the data on fitness, speed, stamina etc. On all these metrics I would expect El Miz to be ahead of Ball. Just my opinion. |
Not sure we've really seen enough of Ball to form a proper judgement. I thought against Port Vale and Charlton before his injury he looked to drive forward quite a lot and had a more attacking mindset than I'd been expecting. Most of his minutes towards the end of the season were coming on late in games to calm things down so the more 'safe' side of his game was probably what he was asked to do.
I know a few QPR fans who were disappointed he left them and KMc persuaded him to drop a league to come to us so must rate his attributes. | |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 08:31 - Jun 3 with 4777 views | bournemouthblue |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 20:26 - Jun 2 by SheffordBlue |
We still have FFP to deal with and if we're going to be buying a few over the summer we'll need some player sales to keep us in line. Loans don't help there and we'd be lucky to get a club paying all his wages. As long as we have a decent sell on clause then if he ends up smashing it as Prem player we'll still get something back in the future. |
You do get loan fees but it's not the same as a transfer fee by any means
He could go on to be a decent player but it really depends what we can command for him
If Watford and Plymouth genuinely want him, that suggests some Championship clubs think he is good enough? |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 09:07 - Jun 3 with 4678 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 08:31 - Jun 3 by bournemouthblue |
You do get loan fees but it's not the same as a transfer fee by any means
He could go on to be a decent player but it really depends what we can command for him
If Watford and Plymouth genuinely want him, that suggests some Championship clubs think he is good enough? |
I'd suggest Watford see a player that is potentially 'underrated' and they can either make a decent profit on after a couple of loan spells or end up utilising further down the line once he's developed a bit more. Which is exactly the outlook we should have. | | | |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 09:26 - Jun 3 with 4640 views | textbackup |
I’d be gutted to see him go, but for his career it might be wise.
No idea if this is a thing, but stick a clause in the sale where we get first refusal to buy him back?
I think he’ll end up being a very solid Championship player. |  |
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| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 09:33 - Jun 3 with 4614 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone else think we may regret selling El Miz? on 07:53 - Jun 3 by GavTWTD |
Kieran has him theoretically until 1st September so that's a long time to appraise what he can do for us. |
Indeed. I'd hope we'll take a good look at him before making any decisions. He has the attributes we would want from a new CM I think, the question is whether he's good enough to step up straight away and be that new CM for us or not. He's had a great season at Orient but League 2 isn't the Championship, that said a young players coming off that sort of season would often attract Championship interest so it's not impossible he could be good enough to play a part for us next season CM is stacked but we have a few there who probably aren't what we need going forward, the likes of Evans and Ball, and Humphreys isn't quite ready. Camara is another wild card, hard to know what he may offer us. |  |
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