| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. 19:19 - May 27 with 11279 views | tractordownsouth |
What a load of nonsense. Nothing she said was inaccurate
Dominic Cummings broke the rules - FACT
He's made many people feel they can flout the rules - FACT, the police have said people have used Cummings as an excuse when being told off for breaking the rules
Public mood is anger at Cummings - FACT, literally all opinion polls have a large majority for him to resign, or at least apologise
As Mr O'Brien says, you cannot balance fact with fiction.
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 with 3945 views | Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:29 - May 27 with 3931 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
Prepare for the onslaught. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:30 - May 27 with 3933 views | Swansea_Blue |
I didn’t watch it, but based on that clip what have they apologised for? She doesn’t say anything untruthful. I suppose she’s hypothesising that Johnson knew Cummings broke the rules, but he’d be an idiot if he didn’t realise it so fair hypothesis. And he knew, it’s obvious. The way the logic breaks down with his excuse and pitiful attempts to justify it show they know. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:32 - May 27 with 3917 views | StokieBlue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
Simply untrue.
They have attempted to engineer a "clause" to get round the fact he blatantly broke the rules for his own benefit whilst thousands of peoples couldn't break the rules and be with their loved ones as they drew their last breath.
Frankly, your interpretation is pretty horrible and offensive to many people across the country who have suffered due to following the rules.
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:35 - May 27 with 3898 views | BlueBadger |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:29 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Prepare for the onslaught. |
Ironically this IS baiting. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:37 - May 27 with 3882 views | tractordownsouth |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
He's admitted going back to Downing Street after his wife had symptoms. The guidelines clearly said that if anyone in your house contracted symptoms, you were to isolate for 14 days.
He had childcare in London which he didn't use - and besides, loads of others were in the same boat and didn't drive hundreds of miles away. It clearly won't have benefited the child's health to put him in a confined space and drive for 5 hours.
His trip to Barnard Castle was unecessary, even before you analyse the ridiculous eyesight defence.
He's literally admitted breaking the rules himself in his statement, so there's nothing for Maitlis to apologise for. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:38 - May 27 with 3874 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:32 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
Simply untrue.
They have attempted to engineer a "clause" to get round the fact he blatantly broke the rules for his own benefit whilst thousands of peoples couldn't break the rules and be with their loved ones as they drew their last breath.
Frankly, your interpretation is pretty horrible and offensive to many people across the country who have suffered due to following the rules.
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My understanding was that the clause under the section "If you are living with children" has been there all along. My interpretation is the same as the guy who said he'd driven a coach and horses through the spirit of the rules, but you seem to have decided my interpretation is offensive before even hearing it. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:41 - May 27 with 3860 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:37 - May 27 by tractordownsouth |
He's admitted going back to Downing Street after his wife had symptoms. The guidelines clearly said that if anyone in your house contracted symptoms, you were to isolate for 14 days.
He had childcare in London which he didn't use - and besides, loads of others were in the same boat and didn't drive hundreds of miles away. It clearly won't have benefited the child's health to put him in a confined space and drive for 5 hours.
His trip to Barnard Castle was unecessary, even before you analyse the ridiculous eyesight defence.
He's literally admitted breaking the rules himself in his statement, so there's nothing for Maitlis to apologise for. |
He has used the vague "Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible." to counter your first two points, and he has said the 14 days were up before Barnard Castle.
I think he's broken the rules on balance, i think he's a liar too.
I'm just saying it is not FACT, it is my opinion. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:42 - May 27 with 3844 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:37 - May 27 by tractordownsouth |
He's admitted going back to Downing Street after his wife had symptoms. The guidelines clearly said that if anyone in your house contracted symptoms, you were to isolate for 14 days.
He had childcare in London which he didn't use - and besides, loads of others were in the same boat and didn't drive hundreds of miles away. It clearly won't have benefited the child's health to put him in a confined space and drive for 5 hours.
His trip to Barnard Castle was unecessary, even before you analyse the ridiculous eyesight defence.
He's literally admitted breaking the rules himself in his statement, so there's nothing for Maitlis to apologise for. |
Oh goodness, groundhog day. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:43 - May 27 with 3838 views | sparks |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
Do tell us precisely what that loophole was. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:48 - May 27 with 3804 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:43 - May 27 by sparks |
Do tell us precisely what that loophole was. |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:49 - May 27 with 3796 views | monytowbray |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:43 - May 27 by sparks |
Do tell us precisely what that loophole was. |
From what I read, the emergency one for abuse victims to flee. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:52 - May 27 with 3768 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:29 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Prepare for the onslaught. |
Yep, because it’s complete bollox. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:55 - May 27 with 3746 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:29 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Prepare for the onslaught. |
I am in full virtual PPE. The trick is not to take anything personally. I'm genuinely surprised that me saying something was not a fact means that I automatically disagreed with it. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:56 - May 27 with 3741 views | factual_blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:37 - May 27 by tractordownsouth |
He's admitted going back to Downing Street after his wife had symptoms. The guidelines clearly said that if anyone in your house contracted symptoms, you were to isolate for 14 days.
He had childcare in London which he didn't use - and besides, loads of others were in the same boat and didn't drive hundreds of miles away. It clearly won't have benefited the child's health to put him in a confined space and drive for 5 hours.
His trip to Barnard Castle was unecessary, even before you analyse the ridiculous eyesight defence.
He's literally admitted breaking the rules himself in his statement, so there's nothing for Maitlis to apologise for. |
What the BBC has said is that her introduction didn't make it clear that she was giving a statement about what the programme would be dealing with. Instead in came across as though it were what she as an individual thought.
It was brilliant TV, imho. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:58 - May 27 with 3721 views | jeera |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:52 - May 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, because it’s complete bollox. |
Of course it is.
The fact that any someraults have had to be performed whatsoever in an attempt to justify DC's actions is enough.
The guidelines were clear and at best have been bent, at worst abused.
It's not fitting behaviour either way for anyone connected with the government.
The man was taking the piss and the PM is taking the piss and for anyone being unable to openly acknowledge that is taking the piss.
None of this is complicated and it's only those with anything to hide who have tried to make it so. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:59 - May 27 with 3713 views | sparks |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:48 - May 27 by Trequartista |
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Which bit says, if children are involved, you can use your judgment? | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:04 - May 27 with 3690 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:59 - May 27 by sparks |
Which bit says, if children are involved, you can use your judgment? |
It says "we are aware that not all these measures will be possible."
Before we continue an argument that may not exist, let me repeat what i've said elsewhere on the thread.
It is in the opinion of Mr Cummings that this clause means he hasn't broken the rules, it is in my opinion he has broken the rules, but this doesn't mean it is a fact. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:05 - May 27 with 3686 views | Shawsey |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
Morally wrong. Fact or not, morally, totally wrong. |  | | |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:12 - May 27 with 3651 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:59 - May 27 by sparks |
Which bit says, if children are involved, you can use your judgment? |
It also wasn’t the guidance in place at the time he took their family on a road trip 1 day after declaring symptoms. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:15 - May 27 with 3639 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:04 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It says "we are aware that not all these measures will be possible."
Before we continue an argument that may not exist, let me repeat what i've said elsewhere on the thread.
It is in the opinion of Mr Cummings that this clause means he hasn't broken the rules, it is in my opinion he has broken the rules, but this doesn't mean it is a fact. |
Oh ffs | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:18 - May 27 with 3621 views | footers |
The MENSA twins have played a blinder on here this evening. gg. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:19 - May 27 with 3610 views | bluelagos |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
I disagree with reference to the trip to Barnard Castle. They were out of isolation so there were only 1 of 4 reasons (by law) to leave the house.
Work, exercise, shopping or medical need. None of those were in place so this family trip was in breach of the law as far as I can tell.
The clause about protecting the vulnerable child would no longer apply as they were out of isolation and he was no longer in a vulnerable position. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:22 - May 27 with 3581 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:19 - May 27 by bluelagos |
I disagree with reference to the trip to Barnard Castle. They were out of isolation so there were only 1 of 4 reasons (by law) to leave the house.
Work, exercise, shopping or medical need. None of those were in place so this family trip was in breach of the law as far as I can tell.
The clause about protecting the vulnerable child would no longer apply as they were out of isolation and he was no longer in a vulnerable position. |
He/she is trolling over a point of semantics despite disagreeing with the point he/she is arguing for. A waste of everybody’s time. | |
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