| Reform UK 13:01 - Jun 18 with 15507 views | Radlett_blue |
There won't be much love for them or Farage on here, but all I am suggesting is that you read their manifesto, if you haven't already done so.
I won't be voting for them, but if you read the manifesto, you might realise why around 17% of the electorate want to do so as some of their points will make sense to them. |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 with 4952 views | lowhouseblue |
you mean populist, simplistic and resonating with the frustration people feel while offering no practical possibility of any change. in all seriousness even count binface has some ideas that make sense to people in just the same way. |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 with 4957 views | Illinoisblue |
As with Trump over here, the entire campaign is a grift based on racist bullet points. There is no policy or plan other than to make money from stupid people.
So, sure, read the “manifesto” and why not chuck in a few quid to the man who banks at Coutts. |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 with 4956 views | StokieBlue |
The points make sense to them because they have swallowed the anti-immigration narrative over the last decade without actually checking any of the facts.
It's just a confirmation that lying and obfuscating in politics isn't punished and is now in fact the norm.
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| Reform UK on 13:10 - Jun 18 with 4887 views | bluelagos |
There's plenty in their manifesto that makes sense - electoral reform, raising the tax threshold to name but two.
The problem I have is the tone that immigration is bad, immigrants are bad and the constant racist dog whistling such as "I wouldn't wish to live next to a Romanian" as Farage previously said.
The truth is that without migration, our population would soon be in decline and most importantly, the working age population would struggle to fund the services needed for an aging population. Unless we sign up to increasing birth rates (could you even do that?) then we have a problem and dog whistling about foreigners isn't a solution.
Sadly the overiding narrative in the UK is that migration is a bad thing - which is utter nonsense. But it sells papers and is convenient to have a scapegoat rather than concede the reason our services are on their knees is because we haven't funded them properly. |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:14 - Jun 18 with 4834 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform UK on 13:10 - Jun 18 by bluelagos |
There's plenty in their manifesto that makes sense - electoral reform, raising the tax threshold to name but two.
The problem I have is the tone that immigration is bad, immigrants are bad and the constant racist dog whistling such as "I wouldn't wish to live next to a Romanian" as Farage previously said.
The truth is that without migration, our population would soon be in decline and most importantly, the working age population would struggle to fund the services needed for an aging population. Unless we sign up to increasing birth rates (could you even do that?) then we have a problem and dog whistling about foreigners isn't a solution.
Sadly the overiding narrative in the UK is that migration is a bad thing - which is utter nonsense. But it sells papers and is convenient to have a scapegoat rather than concede the reason our services are on their knees is because we haven't funded them properly. |
100% agree. The issue is controlling immigration sensibly & fixing the broken "asylum" system & unfortunately Reform UK & other similar parties carry along a large number of racists as supporters by using the "all immigration/immigrants are bad" theme.
As you say, there are certainly some good ideas in there as well, but the media is more interested in the immigration rhetoric. | |
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| Reform UK on 13:16 - Jun 18 with 4811 views | blueasfook |
- Make St George’s and St David’s Day a Public Holiday
Nothing for the poor Scots though. I guess St Andrew won't be officially recognised! |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:19 - Jun 18 with 4770 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform UK on 13:10 - Jun 18 by bluelagos |
There's plenty in their manifesto that makes sense - electoral reform, raising the tax threshold to name but two.
The problem I have is the tone that immigration is bad, immigrants are bad and the constant racist dog whistling such as "I wouldn't wish to live next to a Romanian" as Farage previously said.
The truth is that without migration, our population would soon be in decline and most importantly, the working age population would struggle to fund the services needed for an aging population. Unless we sign up to increasing birth rates (could you even do that?) then we have a problem and dog whistling about foreigners isn't a solution.
Sadly the overiding narrative in the UK is that migration is a bad thing - which is utter nonsense. But it sells papers and is convenient to have a scapegoat rather than concede the reason our services are on their knees is because we haven't funded them properly. |
while i agree with lots of that, i'm not sure that "the overiding narrative in the UK is that migration is a bad thing". if you look beyond farage most of the debate is about the level of net migration which is sustainable. i don't believe that the level in the past 3 years is sustainable. also, post brexit the mix of migrants has changed and only a minority are coming primarily because of work (c. 15%)
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| Reform UK on 13:19 - Jun 18 with 4766 views | bluelagos |
| Reform UK on 13:14 - Jun 18 by Radlett_blue |
100% agree. The issue is controlling immigration sensibly & fixing the broken "asylum" system & unfortunately Reform UK & other similar parties carry along a large number of racists as supporters by using the "all immigration/immigrants are bad" theme.
As you say, there are certainly some good ideas in there as well, but the media is more interested in the immigration rhetoric. |
But...I think the focus on migration comes very much from Reform themselves. Ben Habib last night on Newsnight being asked to explain how they could get NHS waiting lists down to zero in two years (as is in their manifesto) quickly tried to divert the questioner to migration.
It is what they want to talk about, it is the one area where they feel they have an electoral advantage among their target voters. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 13:23]
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| Reform UK on 13:21 - Jun 18 with 4724 views | blueasfook |
Who will be our Che Guevara? Anyone own a beret? | |
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| Reform UK on 13:21 - Jun 18 with 4723 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform UK on 13:16 - Jun 18 by blueasfook |
- Make St George’s and St David’s Day a Public Holiday
Nothing for the poor Scots though. I guess St Andrew won't be officially recognised! |
St Andrew's Day is already a public holiday in Scotland. | |
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| Reform UK on 13:22 - Jun 18 with 4715 views | Asa |
| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 by lowhouseblue |
you mean populist, simplistic and resonating with the frustration people feel while offering no practical possibility of any change. in all seriousness even count binface has some ideas that make sense to people in just the same way. |
I swear if there was a party that came out and said 'This party will guarantee you a brand new Audi, unlimited beer, your team will win the FA Cup and your wife's much hotter sister you've always fancied will make a pass at you' that 17% of this country would vote for it without seeing any issue in the bit where it's actually deliverable. |  | | |
| Reform UK on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 4663 views | blueasfook |
| Reform UK on 13:21 - Jun 18 by Radlett_blue |
St Andrew's Day is already a public holiday in Scotland. |
Of course I knew that.
Ahem. | |
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| Reform UK on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 4664 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform UK on 13:22 - Jun 18 by Asa |
I swear if there was a party that came out and said 'This party will guarantee you a brand new Audi, unlimited beer, your team will win the FA Cup and your wife's much hotter sister you've always fancied will make a pass at you' that 17% of this country would vote for it without seeing any issue in the bit where it's actually deliverable. |
quite. they still didn't fall for free broadband though. | |
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| Reform UK on 13:25 - Jun 18 with 4615 views | bluelagos |
| Reform UK on 13:22 - Jun 18 by Asa |
I swear if there was a party that came out and said 'This party will guarantee you a brand new Audi, unlimited beer, your team will win the FA Cup and your wife's much hotter sister you've always fancied will make a pass at you' that 17% of this country would vote for it without seeing any issue in the bit where it's actually deliverable. |
Can we chose a Kawasaki instead of an Audi? | |
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| Reform UK on 13:25 - Jun 18 with 4607 views | blueasfook |
| Reform UK on 13:24 - Jun 18 by lowhouseblue |
quite. they still didn't fall for free broadband though. |
Quite the opposite in fact. People will fiercely defend their right to pay for their own broadband. | |
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| Reform UK on 13:27 - Jun 18 with 4553 views | NedPlimpton |
But the sums don't add up in the slightest
So even if people agree with certain elements of it, it's still not feasible. It's pipe dreams being sold to people who are too short-sighted to see what the impact of a climate crisis and an ageing population could be [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 13:35]
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| Reform UK on 13:33 - Jun 18 with 4476 views | bluelagos |
| Reform UK on 13:27 - Jun 18 by NedPlimpton |
But the sums don't add up in the slightest
So even if people agree with certain elements of it, it's still not feasible. It's pipe dreams being sold to people who are too short-sighted to see what the impact of a climate crisis and an ageing population could be [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 13:35]
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Indeed - it's populism - tell the people want they want and then when you get elected - reality strikes.
See also Brexit and the "easiest trade deal in history" that we were promised. For me the problem Farage has is credibility - he promised us the world in 2016 and it went to sh1t. Why would anyone with a memory actually believe him now? | |
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| Reform UK on 13:36 - Jun 18 with 4441 views | itfckenty |
Anyone that thinks this party is better than any other is delusional. Unfortunately they are all the same and have always been the same. A manifesto is just a ploy to trick people into thinking those ideas will actually be met, when in fact a good % never will. Reform is just banking on the idea that immigration will get them votes, and it definitely will get them votes. But those people who are mostly voting on that basis are most likely the ones that are mostly uneducated and sitting on benefits themselves whining there's no jobs because of immigration. When in fact they are part of that big issue. My company is full of people from all walks of life and all a huge benefits to the company. So I don't think it's all to do with immigration. There's a much wider issue. |  | | |
| Reform UK on 13:37 - Jun 18 with 4429 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
The idea that any human being would think that it is a net positive, good thing, for their life, and the lives of their loved ones, to leave the European Court of Human Rights, in an era of big data and all-encompassing surveillance (to name but one area) completely baffles me.
It's the last check and balance we have. | | | |
| Reform UK on 14:02 - Jun 18 with 4305 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 by lowhouseblue |
you mean populist, simplistic and resonating with the frustration people feel while offering no practical possibility of any change. in all seriousness even count binface has some ideas that make sense to people in just the same way. |
Count Binface is a more serious politician than any of the Reform lot..... |  |
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| Reform UK on 14:27 - Jun 18 with 4169 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform UK on 13:07 - Jun 18 by lowhouseblue |
you mean populist, simplistic and resonating with the frustration people feel while offering no practical possibility of any change. in all seriousness even count binface has some ideas that make sense to people in just the same way. |
Point well made. In some way it also reminds me of Marcus Evans’ 5 point plan (with more points and more overt xenophobia of course). |  |
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| Reform UK on 14:28 - Jun 18 with 4154 views | GlasgowBlue |
Where is the free internet on that list? |  |
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| Reform UK on 14:31 - Jun 18 with 4134 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform UK on 14:28 - Jun 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Where is the free internet on that list? |
That would be useful and stimulate activity, so you won’t find something like that there. Although I suppose they could have banned any internet providers with too many foreigners working for them 🤷♂️ | |
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| Reform UK on 14:34 - Jun 18 with 4096 views | Swailsey |
You won’t be voting for them, but you’re pushing their agenda here. Mmm, shy reformer me thinks. No thanks. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Reform UK on 14:36 - Jun 18 with 2586 views | mutters |
He can say whatever he wants as he has no chance of getting into power and having to implement them. |  |
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