| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. 01:29 - Nov 14 with 3679 views | IPS_wich |
Yes, it's the international break, so to pass the time I thought I'd have a crack at rating all of our new signings/loanees out of 10. I decided not to include Hutch because he was a known quantity. This does take into account fee and it's hard not to be influenced by expectations.
- Muric (6/10): He's pretty much lived up to what Burnley told us to expect, great saves and man of the match performances, interspersed with absolute howlers. His performances at Brighton and Spurs were outstanding. His performance against Man City was appalling. I think he's an upgrade on Hladky, probably marginally better than Walton and I haven't given up on him coming good like some fans appear to - plus he wasn't exactly expensive. I do wonder whether if we stay up and have a second year of Prem money that a $15-20million keeper wouldn't be a wise investment. Really hard to rate.
- Greaves (8/10): A brilliant signing and a player who will spend the next 8-10 years in the Premier League. Despite Burgess really stepping up I think Greaves walks back into the team after the international break unless there are any lingering doubts about his injury. Docked one mark for his mistake against Villa.
- O'Shea (7/10): Took a while to settle and it was clear that signing players so close to the end of the transfer window means they take time to adjust to McKenna's style. Wasn't initially sure he should be ahead of Woolfenden, but last two games he has been immense. Can only see him getting better and our back four (once Greaves is fit) looks pretty amazing.
- Johnson (6/10): Like O'Shea he took time to settle, but unlike O'Shea he didn't have the excuse of being a late signing in the window. There were some really positive reports from pre-season and his first 2-3 games left me wondering why we signed him. Last two games though he has been really good. Not just decently good, but really good. May find himself in and out of the starting 11 a bit with Axel back, but I expect his end of season rating will be higher than a 6/10.
- Townsend (-): Can't really rate someone who has barely stepped on the pitch. Every week I see him on the bench and think 'who's that'!!
- Phillips (5/10): Has done some decent things, but also made multiple mistakes and we know he can be much much more. Clearly the last two seasons have destroyed his confidence. I worry he is too similar a player to Morsy to be truly effective as a pairing. I still have high hopes that he can come good.
- Cajuste (6/10): Less game time that Phillips and it's still early days to judge him - but...the glimpses we've seen suggest we may have an player on our hands. Glides across the pitch and offers something different to Morsy/Phillips. The best thing is if we stay up we get to keep him. Could be the key to us surviving - no pressure Jens.
- Clarke (5/10): Probably the biggest disappointment for me. I was so excited when he signed and his Villa performance was fantastic. But, struggled to make an impact since and doesn't work hard enough off the ball at the moment to be a starter in a McKenna team. Hutchinson is proof that you can be a flair player and still put in a shift - Clarke would be well advised to watch some videos of Hutch to see what is needed to step up.
- Smodics (8/10): I mentioned in the Smodics thread that I saw Sam as a good insurance policy for us being relegated because I didn't think he'd cut it in the Premier League. I was wrong. Effort, sh1thousery, quick feet and normally a clinical finisher. Very impressed. Just a shame about the miss against Brentford when we were 2-0 up and on top.
- Delap (10/10): Not really much to say other than he will likely be the best bit of transfer business our club does ever. I just hope we get more than one season of watching him in blue - but he will clearly end up an England international and playing week in week out in the Champions League.
- Ogbene (5/10): Had a very solid game against Brighton and I would probably place him ahead of Burns. Probably out for the season - which is a shame.
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 01:45 - Nov 14 with 3610 views | Illinoisblue |
Agree with those ratings. Phillips and Clarke both been underwhelming but lots of room for improvement; they have the talent to be 8/10 instead of 5/10. Be a huge bonus if both of them find form. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 04:47 - Nov 14 with 3479 views | MK1 |
I would say that that is a pretty fair assessment so far. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 07:30 - Nov 14 with 3293 views | Muncher |
I would say that’s a pretty fair assessment so far, albeit I think the lower scorers in there I fully expect to improve as the season goes on, particularly Cajuste. | | | |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 08:51 - Nov 14 with 2998 views | gainsboroughblue |
Yep Clarke has been the biggest disappointment but he also probably has the largest scope for improvement. Given the overhaul of the summer, not everyone was going to hit the ground running at the same time.
Had these ratings been done a few weeks ago, Szmodics and O'Shea probably would've been more of a 6 than an 8 so it goes to show what a good run does.
Fully expect Delap to maintain and don't think Cajuste will be far behind him either. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 08:52 - Nov 14 with 2994 views | DinnernotTea |
Burgess over Greaves for me. Hasn't put a foot wrong and Davis seems more comfortable with Burgess there given for 2 years they've built such a connection. Even last season we couldn't win a game with him at the Asia Cup, maybe we won 1.
Burgess on Sunday was outrageous. Undroppable.
What might happen from December is that we go with 3 centre backs away from home. Burgess left, Greaves central, O'Shea right. Johnson the natural RWB but then how can you not have Tuanzebe?
Selection headaches upcoming for Sir Kieran! | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:00 - Nov 14 with 2957 views | Dubtractor |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 08:52 - Nov 14 by DinnernotTea |
Burgess over Greaves for me. Hasn't put a foot wrong and Davis seems more comfortable with Burgess there given for 2 years they've built such a connection. Even last season we couldn't win a game with him at the Asia Cup, maybe we won 1.
Burgess on Sunday was outrageous. Undroppable.
What might happen from December is that we go with 3 centre backs away from home. Burgess left, Greaves central, O'Shea right. Johnson the natural RWB but then how can you not have Tuanzebe?
Selection headaches upcoming for Sir Kieran! |
I honestly think we're seeing things through blue lenses with Burgess.
He's done a decent job since coming back into the team, but he has major limitations. Brentford clearly targeted him for balls in behind our defence, and it was his miscontrol that led to Solanke's chance at the death on Sunday.
I like Burgess, and he has been a rock for us in the last 2 years, but Greaves is a better player and should be first choice. More than happy for Burgess to step in when needed though. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:05 - Nov 14 with 2879 views | DinnernotTea |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:00 - Nov 14 by Dubtractor |
I honestly think we're seeing things through blue lenses with Burgess.
He's done a decent job since coming back into the team, but he has major limitations. Brentford clearly targeted him for balls in behind our defence, and it was his miscontrol that led to Solanke's chance at the death on Sunday.
I like Burgess, and he has been a rock for us in the last 2 years, but Greaves is a better player and should be first choice. More than happy for Burgess to step in when needed though. |
But then Greaves had a mare vs Villa & West Ham but not much said.
Both really good but Burgess for me. | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:06 - Nov 14 with 2862 views | NthQldITFC |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 07:30 - Nov 14 by Muncher |
I would say that’s a pretty fair assessment so far, albeit I think the lower scorers in there I fully expect to improve as the season goes on, particularly Cajuste. |
Yeah, I think they're reasonable averages over the season so far, if 6/7 is taken as the expected Performance once Up and Running (xPUR!?). But, several of those, notably Phillips, Cajuste and Muric are trending upwards now, so a more relevant assessment might be over a rolling last 6 games or something, in which case I'd probably push most of those a point or so higher, and expect them to rise another point in the next couple of months too. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:08 - Nov 14 with 2841 views | ITFC_Forever |
Harsh to dock a whole point from Greaves for his mistake against Villa.
It was a miscued clearance, he wasn't trying to pass it and it was a great bit of control from the Villa player (Rogers?) to turn it into a chance.
If he gets 15 foot of height on that, it's not a problem and danger is averted. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:16 - Nov 14 with 2787 views | textbackup |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:00 - Nov 14 by Dubtractor |
I honestly think we're seeing things through blue lenses with Burgess.
He's done a decent job since coming back into the team, but he has major limitations. Brentford clearly targeted him for balls in behind our defence, and it was his miscontrol that led to Solanke's chance at the death on Sunday.
I like Burgess, and he has been a rock for us in the last 2 years, but Greaves is a better player and should be first choice. More than happy for Burgess to step in when needed though. |
Of course, Greaves passed the ball to a Villa player 6 yards from goal too, which actually led to a goal. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:21 - Nov 14 with 2737 views | DinnernotTea |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:16 - Nov 14 by textbackup |
Of course, Greaves passed the ball to a Villa player 6 yards from goal too, which actually led to a goal. |
And his performance vs Antonio at West Ham was a huge worry. Not sure I get the anti Burgess vibe but hey ho. Anyone who stood behind that back line at Tottenham will realise just how undroppable Burgess is. And for me he gets the best out of Davis.
The overhype of Greaves I've found a bit strange I'll be honest. Good player don't get me wrong but it's been a bit OTT. | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 2727 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 08:52 - Nov 14 by DinnernotTea |
Burgess over Greaves for me. Hasn't put a foot wrong and Davis seems more comfortable with Burgess there given for 2 years they've built such a connection. Even last season we couldn't win a game with him at the Asia Cup, maybe we won 1.
Burgess on Sunday was outrageous. Undroppable.
What might happen from December is that we go with 3 centre backs away from home. Burgess left, Greaves central, O'Shea right. Johnson the natural RWB but then how can you not have Tuanzebe?
Selection headaches upcoming for Sir Kieran! |
Not really sure we're in a position as a club to spend the best part of £15m+ to have them sat on the bench. See also O'Shea.
Not that Burgess has done his chances any harm, mind. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 2722 views | Dubtractor |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:05 - Nov 14 by DinnernotTea |
But then Greaves had a mare vs Villa & West Ham but not much said.
Both really good but Burgess for me. |
I thought Greaves was fine vs Villa, bar a horrible scuffed clearance, which obviously ended badly....
Everyone was poor vs West Ham, just a bad day at the office as a whole team.
All opinions I guess, but I think that Greaves is a better player. | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:03 - Nov 14 with 2511 views | Garv |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:22 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
Not really sure we're in a position as a club to spend the best part of £15m+ to have them sat on the bench. See also O'Shea.
Not that Burgess has done his chances any harm, mind. |
Clarke is sat on the bench. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:29 - Nov 14 with 2380 views | Kropotkin123 |
Think Phillips is judged too harshly. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:41 - Nov 14 with 2315 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:21 - Nov 14 by DinnernotTea |
And his performance vs Antonio at West Ham was a huge worry. Not sure I get the anti Burgess vibe but hey ho. Anyone who stood behind that back line at Tottenham will realise just how undroppable Burgess is. And for me he gets the best out of Davis.
The overhype of Greaves I've found a bit strange I'll be honest. Good player don't get me wrong but it's been a bit OTT. |
You're ignoring the reason why Greaves had couple of below par performances compared to his opening games
1 - O'shea, his partner didn't start well, took time to get going, Burgess has effectively gained a Greaves next to him whereas Greaves suddenly was trying to manage Oshea
2 - Szmodics is providing the additional support to Davis, this has enabled Burgess to remain fairly central and not get to caught up in trying to help Davis, Greaves didn't have this when Jack Clarke was playing, Greaves was finding himself in gaps trying cover 3 different opponent passing options.
Greaves is well over Burgess when it comes to ball playing, he's quicker, can turn better and can also head the ball as good as Burgess, so it's a simple swap that one.
But Burgess is ample cover for now. [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 10:49]
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:54 - Nov 14 with 2208 views | SomethingBlue |
Phillips can have a bit more, disappointing about the red card vs Leicester but he was running the show that afternoon, I've seen enough to know what he can add to us. | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:55 - Nov 14 with 2202 views | NedPlimpton |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:22 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
Not really sure we're in a position as a club to spend the best part of £15m+ to have them sat on the bench. See also O'Shea.
Not that Burgess has done his chances any harm, mind. |
We're in a position where staying up is all that matters
Not sure it's particularly relevant how much someone cost us at this stage
I don't think McKenna has picked O'Shea because of his price tag. It's because he knows what O'Shea would bring to the team over Woolfenden. And it looks like it's starting to pay dividends |  | | |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:00 - Nov 14 with 2147 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:55 - Nov 14 by NedPlimpton |
We're in a position where staying up is all that matters
Not sure it's particularly relevant how much someone cost us at this stage
I don't think McKenna has picked O'Shea because of his price tag. It's because he knows what O'Shea would bring to the team over Woolfenden. And it looks like it's starting to pay dividends |
Well, quite.
I'm not sure it would be a great look to the ownership group that we've signed a few players for £15m+ and they'll be sitting on the bench, but that's just my personal opinion.
I think you're right about O'Shea, I thought he was an excellent signing at the time given he was one of Burnley's stand out players last season and he had Wolves - a well established Prem team and Brentford - a data driven Prem team both chasing him in the summer. But he came in to the side off the back of Woolfie not really doing anything wrong in those first 3 games and has pretty much stayed in their since. | |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:23 - Nov 14 with 2024 views | LankHenners |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:00 - Nov 14 by Dubtractor |
I honestly think we're seeing things through blue lenses with Burgess.
He's done a decent job since coming back into the team, but he has major limitations. Brentford clearly targeted him for balls in behind our defence, and it was his miscontrol that led to Solanke's chance at the death on Sunday.
I like Burgess, and he has been a rock for us in the last 2 years, but Greaves is a better player and should be first choice. More than happy for Burgess to step in when needed though. |
Yeah, said the other day people expecting Burgess to continue once Greaves is fully fit will be disappointed. Burgess has shown himself to be capable cover but Greaves’ all round game is a level above. He improved on it a lot over the course of last season but Burgess’ ball playing has looked pretty ropey this time - McKenna was swinging his arms in frustration when he repeatedly gave the ball away against Leicester when we had a chance to progress forwards. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:28 - Nov 14 with 1982 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Think you've been a bit harsh on KP. He has had some great games and shown flashes of his former self and i do think we are not that far away from a KP/JC midfield which will highlight his strengths further. Some of the goals we've scored have come from his vision and ability to play the pass.
Also, obviously is hard to rate because he (hopefully) won't have to play but Townsend was a very shrewd, incredibly important signing. We needed some good cover for LD last year and didn't have it, and Townsend can definitely come in and fill the gap if needs be. That alone gives him a relatively good rating from me. |  |
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| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:30 - Nov 14 with 1968 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 09:22 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
Not really sure we're in a position as a club to spend the best part of £15m+ to have them sat on the bench. See also O'Shea.
Not that Burgess has done his chances any harm, mind. |
Should make decisions on who is better not who cost what |  | | |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:44 - Nov 14 with 1891 views | franz_tyson |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 10:29 - Nov 14 by Kropotkin123 |
Think Phillips is judged too harshly. |
For me... 5/10 is fair.
Probably highest earner and with greatest pedigree so expectation levels should be up there .Should be first name on the team sheet and pushing Morsy for captaincy, yet I wouldn't be that bothered if he moved on during January. He needs to up his game. Could make the difference if he gets somewhere near his form of a few years ago. | | | |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:45 - Nov 14 with 1874 views | BloomBlue |
Sort agree with some of that, but you give O'Shea the benefit of his poor performances caused by arriving at the end of the transfer window, but you don't give Clarke & Phillips the same. I thought all three arrived basically in the same week - I could be wrong.
I would also argue O'Shea has been given the benefit of starting games to get his KM style up to speed, when his early games warranted him being dropped, but Clarke hasn't |  | | |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:47 - Nov 14 with 1851 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Rating our new signings/loanees after thre first three months. on 11:44 - Nov 14 by franz_tyson |
For me... 5/10 is fair.
Probably highest earner and with greatest pedigree so expectation levels should be up there .Should be first name on the team sheet and pushing Morsy for captaincy, yet I wouldn't be that bothered if he moved on during January. He needs to up his game. Could make the difference if he gets somewhere near his form of a few years ago. |
He was getting there game by game. Look at some of the passing he started spraying about. That was phillips of old coming through.
I don't think the two of Phillips and Morsy compliment each other tho so they imo need to rotate and allow Cajuste to flourish. | |
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