| The Times with another explosive scoop.... 19:25 - Apr 18 with 20238 views | itfcjoe |
Won’t be long until these Tories are truly held to account.
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 02:35 - Apr 19 with 1166 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 02:31 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
CHOOO CHOOOOOOOOOO! THE WHATABOUTTERRY TRAIN IS IN THE STATION! |
Next stop, BorisIsDoingAGreatJobVille. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 06:49 - Apr 19 with 1139 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 22:04 - Apr 18 by brazil1982 |
You hate the Tories, we get it. You're a stuck record. |
Have you ever stopped to consider why someone might hate the Tories rather than just glibly telling them they're a stuck record? |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 07:00 - Apr 19 with 1130 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 00:26 - Apr 19 by Clapham_Junction |
The sad thing is, I don't think any of the will make a difference. Since June 2016 we've been infected with the same lunacy as the US. People will vote for the Tories regardless of anything because they've been conditioned to hate Labour, just like people in the US will vote for Trump regardless of the fact that he's the biggest fückwit you could imagine.
The levels of cognitive dissonance make me wonder whether there is any hope for these people. You only have to look at all the morons complaining about Keir Starmer being wealthy, completely ignoring the fact that Boris isn't exactly a pauper, to see something is deeply deeply wrong. |
Depressingly you are correct. I've seen some morons on here mocking Starmer for being a 'man of the people' when he's a millionaire. Starmer was born into a working class family and got his opportunities in life through hard work, ability, and undoubtedly a little bit of luck along the way. He wasn't born to succeed, he wasn't born to privilege. He has had to earn his money.
Contrast that with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. He was born into money and privilege. His opportunities in life have been handed to him because of who he is, not because he has earned them. If you or I had been sacked twice for dishonesty - including once as a journalist for falsifying quotes - we'd be struggling to get any kind of decent work. We wouldn't be getting paid seven figures by the Telegraph to write columns that frequently require retraction or corrections to be published afterwards because we're too lazy or too unscrupulous to ensure what we've written is accurate. We sure as sh!t wouldn't be PM.
Johnson is essentially a throwback stereotype of a lazy, entitled upper class white boy, born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He and the Dickensian JRM are two cheeks of the same arse, they really only have a place in modern society as a cautionary tale or something to be laughed at on Have I Got News for You. Staggeringly, these are the mooks we have running the country. It's terrifying. They are utterly unfit for the task; hard work, diligence and competence are things they expect from their housekeeper, not personal qualities they've ever had to exhibit. It seems that the English are still absolute suckers for posh white boys, we still have that 'born to lead' mindset when we hear someone speak a few lines of Latin whilst looking like gout on legs. It's a fooking tragedy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:32]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:03 - Apr 19 with 1090 views | DanTheMan |
If people would like a link to the article, drop me a PM. It's very interesting. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:06 - Apr 19 with 1087 views | ElephantintheRoom |
They were merely doing what the British people demanded.... getting Brexit done on Jan 31
That the oven-ready Brexit was cooking up an avoidable economic and public health disaster is neither here nor there
Just remember to keep clapping |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:09 - Apr 19 with 1086 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 07:00 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Depressingly you are correct. I've seen some morons on here mocking Starmer for being a 'man of the people' when he's a millionaire. Starmer was born into a working class family and got his opportunities in life through hard work, ability, and undoubtedly a little bit of luck along the way. He wasn't born to succeed, he wasn't born to privilege. He has had to earn his money.
Contrast that with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. He was born into money and privilege. His opportunities in life have been handed to him because of who he is, not because he has earned them. If you or I had been sacked twice for dishonesty - including once as a journalist for falsifying quotes - we'd be struggling to get any kind of decent work. We wouldn't be getting paid seven figures by the Telegraph to write columns that frequently require retraction or corrections to be published afterwards because we're too lazy or too unscrupulous to ensure what we've written is accurate. We sure as sh!t wouldn't be PM.
Johnson is essentially a throwback stereotype of a lazy, entitled upper class white boy, born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He and the Dickensian JRM are two cheeks of the same arse, they really only have a place in modern society as a cautionary tale or something to be laughed at on Have I Got News for You. Staggeringly, these are the mooks we have running the country. It's terrifying. They are utterly unfit for the task; hard work, diligence and competence are things they expect from their housekeeper, not personal qualities they've ever had to exhibit. It seems that the English are still absolute suckers for posh white boys, we still have that 'born to lead' mindset when we hear someone speak a few lines of Latin whilst looking like gout on legs. It's a fooking tragedy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:32]
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Elections are lost, as well as won. Trump won because the Democrats put up the wrong candidate, a candidate some traditional democrats found unsupportable.
Johnson was elected with a massive majority. Traditional Labour voters turned against what they saw as a shambolic , unelectable rabble. Conservatives were elected to parliament in constituencies they had never in their wildest dreams considered that possible.
It is difficult to disagree with much of the criticism of Johnson but he isn’t the reason we are where we are. We are stuck with the government we have because there wasn’t an electable alternative.
Each and every member of the Labour Party shares some responsibility for that. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:13 - Apr 19 with 1078 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:09 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Elections are lost, as well as won. Trump won because the Democrats put up the wrong candidate, a candidate some traditional democrats found unsupportable.
Johnson was elected with a massive majority. Traditional Labour voters turned against what they saw as a shambolic , unelectable rabble. Conservatives were elected to parliament in constituencies they had never in their wildest dreams considered that possible.
It is difficult to disagree with much of the criticism of Johnson but he isn’t the reason we are where we are. We are stuck with the government we have because there wasn’t an electable alternative.
Each and every member of the Labour Party shares some responsibility for that. |
"Yeah but Labour" is a woefully inadequate and irrelevant response to my post. If that's all you've got then don't bother. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 8:14]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:21 - Apr 19 with 1066 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:13 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
"Yeah but Labour" is a woefully inadequate and irrelevant response to my post. If that's all you've got then don't bother. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 8:14]
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Fair enough if you are unable to accept some responsibility so be it. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:30 - Apr 19 with 1047 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 07:00 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Depressingly you are correct. I've seen some morons on here mocking Starmer for being a 'man of the people' when he's a millionaire. Starmer was born into a working class family and got his opportunities in life through hard work, ability, and undoubtedly a little bit of luck along the way. He wasn't born to succeed, he wasn't born to privilege. He has had to earn his money.
Contrast that with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. He was born into money and privilege. His opportunities in life have been handed to him because of who he is, not because he has earned them. If you or I had been sacked twice for dishonesty - including once as a journalist for falsifying quotes - we'd be struggling to get any kind of decent work. We wouldn't be getting paid seven figures by the Telegraph to write columns that frequently require retraction or corrections to be published afterwards because we're too lazy or too unscrupulous to ensure what we've written is accurate. We sure as sh!t wouldn't be PM.
Johnson is essentially a throwback stereotype of a lazy, entitled upper class white boy, born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He and the Dickensian JRM are two cheeks of the same arse, they really only have a place in modern society as a cautionary tale or something to be laughed at on Have I Got News for You. Staggeringly, these are the mooks we have running the country. It's terrifying. They are utterly unfit for the task; hard work, diligence and competence are things they expect from their housekeeper, not personal qualities they've ever had to exhibit. It seems that the English are still absolute suckers for posh white boys, we still have that 'born to lead' mindset when we hear someone speak a few lines of Latin whilst looking like gout on legs. It's a fooking tragedy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:32]
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7 O'clock on a Sunday morning....great stuff Herbs! |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:46 - Apr 19 with 1037 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:21 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Fair enough if you are unable to accept some responsibility so be it. |
Yeah, don't bother. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:02 - Apr 19 with 1013 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 00:18 - Apr 19 by itfcjoe |
Johnson may well have been distracted by matters in his personal life during his stay in the countryside. Aides were told to keep their briefing papers short and cut the number of memos in his red box if they wanted them to be read.
His family needed to be prepared for the announcement that Symonds, who turned 32 in March, was pregnant and that they had been secretly engaged for some time. Relations with his children had been fraught since his separation from his estranged wife Marina Wheeler and the rift deepened when she had been diagnosed with cancer last year.
The divorce also had to be finalised. Midway through the break it was announced in the High Court that the couple had reached a settlement, leaving Wheeler free to apply for divorce.
There were murmurings of frustration from some ministers and their aides at the time that Johnson was not taking more of a lead. But Johnson’s aides are understood to have felt relaxed: he was getting updates and they claim the scientists were saying everything was under control.
Couldn’t he have just got a Harley or a Convertible, or gone travelling for a bit for his midlife crisis? |
You can’t do that when you’re the figurehead of some bizarre personality cult. You have to look as though you’re playing the game. Everyone with any sense of reality knew this was what Johnson would be like but the press built him back up from the worst Foreign Secretary in living memory to be the great deliverer of the Brexit unicorn. We’re now (grim) reaping the result. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:06 - Apr 19 with 1002 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:09 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Elections are lost, as well as won. Trump won because the Democrats put up the wrong candidate, a candidate some traditional democrats found unsupportable.
Johnson was elected with a massive majority. Traditional Labour voters turned against what they saw as a shambolic , unelectable rabble. Conservatives were elected to parliament in constituencies they had never in their wildest dreams considered that possible.
It is difficult to disagree with much of the criticism of Johnson but he isn’t the reason we are where we are. We are stuck with the government we have because there wasn’t an electable alternative.
Each and every member of the Labour Party shares some responsibility for that. |
That’s impossible to argue against. Nailed | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:10 - Apr 19 with 995 views | Pecker |
"these Tories"? I am guessing you mean the Government, because if you think Corbyn could have done better, then I am afraid you are badly mistaken. Of course the Government should be held to account (after all this is over), but please do not try and tell me that Corbyn and his lot could have done a better job. "these Tories" were the best of a bad lot. |  | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:12 - Apr 19 with 985 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 07:00 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Depressingly you are correct. I've seen some morons on here mocking Starmer for being a 'man of the people' when he's a millionaire. Starmer was born into a working class family and got his opportunities in life through hard work, ability, and undoubtedly a little bit of luck along the way. He wasn't born to succeed, he wasn't born to privilege. He has had to earn his money.
Contrast that with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. He was born into money and privilege. His opportunities in life have been handed to him because of who he is, not because he has earned them. If you or I had been sacked twice for dishonesty - including once as a journalist for falsifying quotes - we'd be struggling to get any kind of decent work. We wouldn't be getting paid seven figures by the Telegraph to write columns that frequently require retraction or corrections to be published afterwards because we're too lazy or too unscrupulous to ensure what we've written is accurate. We sure as sh!t wouldn't be PM.
Johnson is essentially a throwback stereotype of a lazy, entitled upper class white boy, born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He and the Dickensian JRM are two cheeks of the same arse, they really only have a place in modern society as a cautionary tale or something to be laughed at on Have I Got News for You. Staggeringly, these are the mooks we have running the country. It's terrifying. They are utterly unfit for the task; hard work, diligence and competence are things they expect from their housekeeper, not personal qualities they've ever had to exhibit. It seems that the English are still absolute suckers for posh white boys, we still have that 'born to lead' mindset when we hear someone speak a few lines of Latin whilst looking like gout on legs. It's a fooking tragedy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:32]
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Very true, unfortunately the significant minority that elected them have neither the capacity nor capability to look deeper into the media soup they’re served. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:13 - Apr 19 with 984 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:03 - Apr 19 by DanTheMan |
If people would like a link to the article, drop me a PM. It's very interesting. |
There's also a link to an archived version several replies down into this tweet.
It's fascinating. Not only from the ignored foresight, but also shows quite starkly the impacts of austerity and the distraction of Brexit preparations.
It's also a bit disappointing to see some of the responses from here from people who don't seem to care that mismanagement has lead to probably thousands of unnecessary deaths. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:15]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:13 - Apr 19 with 984 views | Churchman |
The trouble with all of the media is that most of what they right is made up and distorted. I know for a fact was the case with Brexit having been on the other side of the fence and I doubt it’s any different with this. I think the government has mishandled this disaster badly, but there definitely needs to be a public enquiry ASAP to establish the truth when the worst is over. Will there be and will it be a snow job like others before it? Yes and yes is my opinion, but you never know. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:45]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:21 - Apr 19 with 935 views | tractordownsouth |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:13 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
"Yeah but Labour" is a woefully inadequate and irrelevant response to my post. If that's all you've got then don't bother. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 8:14]
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I think there’s truth in both your post and Pinewood’s. The fact we couldn’t put up anyone more likeable than JC was a shambles and if we’d had someone more competent we’d have been comfortably ahead in the polls, after all the austerity. Labour becoming more ideological allowed the Tories to do the same, now we’re left with a pretty hard right government, in rhetoric at least. However, still doesn’t excuse the actions of Johnson and JRM, among others... their actions in September around the suspension of parliament was particularly shameful. Can’t express how desperate I am for Starmer to succeed and get rid of these charlatans |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:22 - Apr 19 with 936 views | DanTheMan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:13 - Apr 19 by Swansea_Blue |
There's also a link to an archived version several replies down into this tweet.
It's fascinating. Not only from the ignored foresight, but also shows quite starkly the impacts of austerity and the distraction of Brexit preparations.
It's also a bit disappointing to see some of the responses from here from people who don't seem to care that mismanagement has lead to probably thousands of unnecessary deaths. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:15]
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I think that's part of the interest for me, the whole "we could have done more in the five weeks" seems somewhat pale in comparison when it seems we basically ignored our own plan for a pandemic because of Austerity and (surprise surpise) Brexit.
One could argue that this is hindsight, but given it was apparently our highest risk and has been for well over a decade, that does not seem to fly. Seems like we played lip service to it being the biggest risk and hedged our bets it wouldn't happen. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:31 - Apr 19 with 910 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:22 - Apr 19 by DanTheMan |
I think that's part of the interest for me, the whole "we could have done more in the five weeks" seems somewhat pale in comparison when it seems we basically ignored our own plan for a pandemic because of Austerity and (surprise surpise) Brexit.
One could argue that this is hindsight, but given it was apparently our highest risk and has been for well over a decade, that does not seem to fly. Seems like we played lip service to it being the biggest risk and hedged our bets it wouldn't happen. |
Hindsight will no doubt be wheeled out as an excuse by the Government's defenders*, but it doesn't fly at all. It sounds like this has been a disaster in the making for a decade (or at least the last 4-5 years or so).
*Which is weird in itself - which governments globally have fanatical support? Not many, except for those where you're likely to 'disappear' if you're not a cheerleader! [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:37]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:32 - Apr 19 with 908 views | jas0999 |
Love words ‘may have done’. Suggests ‘may not have done’ as well. We will never know. Labour supporters will read it as an opportunity to condemn the Tories. Tory voters will look at the lack of evidence and words such as ‘may’. Bottom line is none of them are any good. I dread to think where we would be if Corbyn was in power. A reason why I personally can’t vote for either of these two parties. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:32 - Apr 19 with 905 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:13 - Apr 19 by Swansea_Blue |
There's also a link to an archived version several replies down into this tweet.
It's fascinating. Not only from the ignored foresight, but also shows quite starkly the impacts of austerity and the distraction of Brexit preparations.
It's also a bit disappointing to see some of the responses from here from people who don't seem to care that mismanagement has lead to probably thousands of unnecessary deaths. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:15]
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Yeah but Labour. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:33 - Apr 19 with 902 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:21 - Apr 19 by tractordownsouth |
I think there’s truth in both your post and Pinewood’s. The fact we couldn’t put up anyone more likeable than JC was a shambles and if we’d had someone more competent we’d have been comfortably ahead in the polls, after all the austerity. Labour becoming more ideological allowed the Tories to do the same, now we’re left with a pretty hard right government, in rhetoric at least. However, still doesn’t excuse the actions of Johnson and JRM, among others... their actions in September around the suspension of parliament was particularly shameful. Can’t express how desperate I am for Starmer to succeed and get rid of these charlatans |
I suggest that “we” on the Labour right have a word with “ourselves” before ever criticising Corbyn for not putting up “effective opposition”. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:36 - Apr 19 with 896 views | giant_stow |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:22 - Apr 19 by DanTheMan |
I think that's part of the interest for me, the whole "we could have done more in the five weeks" seems somewhat pale in comparison when it seems we basically ignored our own plan for a pandemic because of Austerity and (surprise surpise) Brexit.
One could argue that this is hindsight, but given it was apparently our highest risk and has been for well over a decade, that does not seem to fly. Seems like we played lip service to it being the biggest risk and hedged our bets it wouldn't happen. |
If its the same article that I read, my favorite bit is how we taught Singapore about pandemic response and then ignored our own advice. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:40 - Apr 19 with 877 views | BlueNomad |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:10 - Apr 19 by Pecker |
"these Tories"? I am guessing you mean the Government, because if you think Corbyn could have done better, then I am afraid you are badly mistaken. Of course the Government should be held to account (after all this is over), but please do not try and tell me that Corbyn and his lot could have done a better job. "these Tories" were the best of a bad lot. |
The Tories own this. Period.
This thing about Corbyn not having done a better job is conjecture but I suspect he would have taken the threat more seriously, would have attended COBR, and not told us to “take it on the chin”. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:46]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:46 - Apr 19 with 876 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:40 - Apr 19 by BlueNomad |
The Tories own this. Period.
This thing about Corbyn not having done a better job is conjecture but I suspect he would have taken the threat more seriously, would have attended COBR, and not told us to “take it on the chin”. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 9:46]
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From Cameron’s start to where we are now is all a result of the Conservative and Unionist Party seeking any route and national cost to keep itself together. History will not look kindly on any of it. | |
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