| The Times with another explosive scoop.... 19:25 - Apr 18 with 20247 views | itfcjoe |
Won’t be long until these Tories are truly held to account.
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:49 - Apr 19 with 812 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 22:04 - Apr 18 by brazil1982 |
You hate the Tories, we get it. You're a stuck record. |
You're a right-wing swivel-eyed loon. We get it. |  | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:52 - Apr 19 with 809 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 09:32 - Apr 19 by jas0999 |
Love words ‘may have done’. Suggests ‘may not have done’ as well. We will never know. Labour supporters will read it as an opportunity to condemn the Tories. Tory voters will look at the lack of evidence and words such as ‘may’. Bottom line is none of them are any good. I dread to think where we would be if Corbyn was in power. A reason why I personally can’t vote for either of these two parties. |
So you didn't vote for the Tories in December then? | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:06 - Apr 19 with 806 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:51 - Apr 18 by The_Last_Baron |
Twtderatti...the Tories were 55% in the polls when I last looked, which was around a week ago.
The levels of mad left wingery on here is going through the roof in these times.
Blame the lying communists running China for this mess and the WHO with their duff advice through until March. They are the people to be angry with. |
Rather than look for someone to blame shouldn't we, as responsible citizens, look to assess the performance of our government, in this instance against their duty of care for all citizens, and if necessary hold them to account?
Now I appreciate that now may not be the time for that assessment but it surely must come and certainly some elements of the approach to date do not give an overall "good look".
So when the time comes I will want to see more information about who knew and did what and when if only to disavow me of my current opinion (based as I have admitted on what may be insufficient information) that senior members of the government when faced with this difficult situation have bumbled their way through a number of knee jerk responses. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:22 - Apr 19 with 792 views | linhdi |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 by m14_blue |
Oh come on.
These were COBRA meetings with the country in the middle of a pandemic not a quarterly catch up.
I’m all for balance but this post is bordering on the absurd. |
Particularly when leading cabinet members are having to insist that Johnson is leading the coronary efforts, and has done so from the start. If that were true, he would have been at COBRA meetings. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 with 764 views | jimmyvet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 by m14_blue |
Oh come on.
These were COBRA meetings with the country in the middle of a pandemic not a quarterly catch up.
I’m all for balance but this post is bordering on the absurd. |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:55 - Apr 19 with 747 views | Herbivore |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
Great contribution. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:56 - Apr 19 with 746 views | giant_stow |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
The Times isn't left-leaning though, so maybe that 'balanced' view is a little more critical that you'd like to admit. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:02 - Apr 19 with 734 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:55 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
Great contribution. |
Actually TBF it’s one of his better posts which says a lot. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:10 - Apr 19 with 723 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
Thinking makes you angry, Jimmy. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:14 - Apr 19 with 708 views | m14_blue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
How do you work that out?
I’ve consistently defended the government for following their expert advice and praised them for expanding critical care capacity. However, if I think something’s wrong then I’ll also say it. Our PM skipping so many cobra meeting in these circumstances is just ridiculous.
Well done though, you managed to construct a sentence (sort of) without mentioning Corbyn, which is progress. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 18:17]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:15 - Apr 19 with 707 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:10 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
Thinking makes you angry, Jimmy. |
Makes for some amusing HOT TAKEs though. Or they would be amusing if they weren’t so literally dangerous.
Has Lowhouse been around lately? Because I’d be very keen to know how he feels about the progression of fascism and if we can start calling it that officially yet. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:17 - Apr 19 with 705 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:14 - Apr 19 by m14_blue |
How do you work that out?
I’ve consistently defended the government for following their expert advice and praised them for expanding critical care capacity. However, if I think something’s wrong then I’ll also say it. Our PM skipping so many cobra meeting in these circumstances is just ridiculous.
Well done though, you managed to construct a sentence (sort of) without mentioning Corbyn, which is progress. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 18:17]
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I’ve seen through it from day one and I’m glad more “normal” folk are seeing it outside of my anarcho anti capitalist bubble.
But still there are a worrying number of people in the UK who have hit Trumpdom levels of stupidity/ignorance. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:06 - Apr 19 with 649 views | BlueNomad |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 18:17 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
I’ve seen through it from day one and I’m glad more “normal” folk are seeing it outside of my anarcho anti capitalist bubble.
But still there are a worrying number of people in the UK who have hit Trumpdom levels of stupidity/ignorance. |
Your second paragraph sums it up. If we don’t unquestionly fawn over our “leader” we are disloyal and talk “bollix” |  | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:10 - Apr 19 with 640 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:06 - Apr 19 by BlueNomad |
Your second paragraph sums it up. If we don’t unquestionly fawn over our “leader” we are disloyal and talk “bollix” |
It’s even weirder it often comes from people who called Corbyn a cult of personality and insisted his socialist principles would kill democracy.
It’s almost as if most people’s understanding of economic regulation is incorrectly limited to the Soviet Union and North Korea, whilst ironically clapping the extremely socialist NHS concept once a week. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:10]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:16 - Apr 19 with 620 views | Mullet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
As a vet I'm amazed that you view dereliction of duty by top brass in such a way. If Johnson was your CO you and the boys would have detested him.
Very poor form to just attack people and not back anything up, but those defending Johnson have little else given his utter lack of leadership and requisite skills. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:17 - Apr 19 with 617 views | jeera |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 17:46 - Apr 19 by jimmyvet |
No your not for balance you are looking at reasons to score political point that’s it. Thank god the silent majority in this great land of ours are balanced and are supporting the country unlike a few on this left wing forum....the usual suspects all agreeing with each other on here spouting constant bollox. |
You haven't a clue who is who and lump everyone into the same 2 camps.
You spot a single post and make all sorts of assumptions every time.
What for? Why do you do it?
Then you wonder why people think you're an idiot. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:20 - Apr 19 with 606 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:16 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
As a vet I'm amazed that you view dereliction of duty by top brass in such a way. If Johnson was your CO you and the boys would have detested him.
Very poor form to just attack people and not back anything up, but those defending Johnson have little else given his utter lack of leadership and requisite skills. |
I think he looks after guinea pigs. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:21 - Apr 19 with 605 views | jeera |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:20 - Apr 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think he looks after guinea pigs. |
I like guinea pigs. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:21 - Apr 19 with 605 views | ghostofescobar |
Quite something when the Times are being so vocal. There will be many, many sweaty brows within the Tory ranks, thinking ahead to the inevitable inquest when this dies down. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:37 - Apr 19 with 575 views | GlasgowBlue |
So the PM is being criticised for "skipping" 5 COBRA meetings, despite it being the norm for Secretary of States to chair them
and during this period the PM met with both the CMO and CSA twice a week to be briefed on their latest scientific and medical advice.
Majjid sums it up perfectly here
He takes the Times story apart here..
"Read the article dispassionately. It makes it clear that the scientists who were advising a different course were dissenting voices. Theirs was not the formal advice presented by the science committees (SAGE & NERVTAG). Government followed the official committee advice throughout"
"Read the minutes of meetings the article refers to. It’s not really up for debate. The article confuses (or deliberately mixes up) the dissenting scientists’ advice from the formal, official science committees’ advice. The article is just full of blunders"
"Instead, this appears (transparently so) as more of the same: a Murdoch vs Barclay Brothers media war over whether to back Johnson or Gove going forward (typical media oligarch squabbling over who should be leader, in the middle of the worst global emergency of our lifetimes)."
So a question for those criticising the government's handling of this crisis. Do you want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do you not?
And it wasn't just the ministers of the UK government, or as Callis likes to call them, the Tories. The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland too. They’re responsible for health policy in their countries. Thye have been in the loop from day one and they followed and continue to follow the same strategy. Not one of Labour or SNP devolved governments has gone rogue on this. If you watched the press conferences up here Sturgeon is getting the same stick from journos that the UK spokespeople are getting. It would be easier for Nicola just to blame Boris.
And another question. If Johnson announced the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, who would have been the first person on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The lockdown was always coming. They made this clear at the very first press conference. They said the lockdown had to be perfectly timed. Not too early so that the country didn't get fatique (anyone crying out for an exit strategy after just three weeks) but times to keep the curve below NHS capacity while expanding it. Which is exactly what has happened.
This isn't to say that those criticising the government's strategy are wrong or right. We may not know who was truly correct for decades, or ever. But the government had to follow the advice given. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:42]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:38 - Apr 19 with 570 views | vapour_trail |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:21 - Apr 19 by ghostofescobar |
Quite something when the Times are being so vocal. There will be many, many sweaty brows within the Tory ranks, thinking ahead to the inevitable inquest when this dies down. |
The Sunday Times is much less supportive of the government than the daily version. It was also a Remain paper if memory serves me correctly, so it’s not that big a leap.
It really does lay bare a startling lack of care from Johnson’s administration though, not that that should be a surprise to any of us. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:39 - Apr 19 with 564 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:21 - Apr 19 by jeera |
I like guinea pigs. |
I have an allergy to them :( | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:44 - Apr 19 with 545 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:37 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
So the PM is being criticised for "skipping" 5 COBRA meetings, despite it being the norm for Secretary of States to chair them
and during this period the PM met with both the CMO and CSA twice a week to be briefed on their latest scientific and medical advice.
Majjid sums it up perfectly here
He takes the Times story apart here..
"Read the article dispassionately. It makes it clear that the scientists who were advising a different course were dissenting voices. Theirs was not the formal advice presented by the science committees (SAGE & NERVTAG). Government followed the official committee advice throughout"
"Read the minutes of meetings the article refers to. It’s not really up for debate. The article confuses (or deliberately mixes up) the dissenting scientists’ advice from the formal, official science committees’ advice. The article is just full of blunders"
"Instead, this appears (transparently so) as more of the same: a Murdoch vs Barclay Brothers media war over whether to back Johnson or Gove going forward (typical media oligarch squabbling over who should be leader, in the middle of the worst global emergency of our lifetimes)."
So a question for those criticising the government's handling of this crisis. Do you want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do you not?
And it wasn't just the ministers of the UK government, or as Callis likes to call them, the Tories. The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland too. They’re responsible for health policy in their countries. Thye have been in the loop from day one and they followed and continue to follow the same strategy. Not one of Labour or SNP devolved governments has gone rogue on this. If you watched the press conferences up here Sturgeon is getting the same stick from journos that the UK spokespeople are getting. It would be easier for Nicola just to blame Boris.
And another question. If Johnson announced the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, who would have been the first person on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The lockdown was always coming. They made this clear at the very first press conference. They said the lockdown had to be perfectly timed. Not too early so that the country didn't get fatique (anyone crying out for an exit strategy after just three weeks) but times to keep the curve below NHS capacity while expanding it. Which is exactly what has happened.
This isn't to say that those criticising the government's strategy are wrong or right. We may not know who was truly correct for decades, or ever. But the government had to follow the advice given. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:42]
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When was the last time a Conra meeting was about a literal unknown viral threat with a 6 figure death toll as it stands the subject of a Cobra meeting though?
And if the case, why did he start joining them now? They’re either important he is there or they aren’t. If this is the case Johnson could do himself a favour at least sticking to a long term excuse, but we know that’s not the case because nothing that is said is really matching up to what is being done.
I saw the exit traffic light plan today with dates, it’s nothing more than pandering to public opinion to keep people on side and get the heat off for a few weeks. We’ll inevitably be asking why that “science changed” again by mid June. Watch this space. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:46 - Apr 19 with 534 views | jeera |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:39 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
I have an allergy to them :( |
That's a shame because they can be amazing creatures.
I kept several as a kid and would like to again some day. (Not for food, before someone...).
I cannot be near cats as a rule. The reaction can range from a mild irritation to full on struggling to breathe, depending. Why or how that depends I still don't know, nor have I tried to find out.
They seem to 'like' me though. I've decided their vanity means they cannot handle being ignored so won't fecking leave me alone if I'm in the vacinity. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:54 - Apr 19 with 525 views | Mullet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:37 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
So the PM is being criticised for "skipping" 5 COBRA meetings, despite it being the norm for Secretary of States to chair them
and during this period the PM met with both the CMO and CSA twice a week to be briefed on their latest scientific and medical advice.
Majjid sums it up perfectly here
He takes the Times story apart here..
"Read the article dispassionately. It makes it clear that the scientists who were advising a different course were dissenting voices. Theirs was not the formal advice presented by the science committees (SAGE & NERVTAG). Government followed the official committee advice throughout"
"Read the minutes of meetings the article refers to. It’s not really up for debate. The article confuses (or deliberately mixes up) the dissenting scientists’ advice from the formal, official science committees’ advice. The article is just full of blunders"
"Instead, this appears (transparently so) as more of the same: a Murdoch vs Barclay Brothers media war over whether to back Johnson or Gove going forward (typical media oligarch squabbling over who should be leader, in the middle of the worst global emergency of our lifetimes)."
So a question for those criticising the government's handling of this crisis. Do you want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do you not?
And it wasn't just the ministers of the UK government, or as Callis likes to call them, the Tories. The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland too. They’re responsible for health policy in their countries. Thye have been in the loop from day one and they followed and continue to follow the same strategy. Not one of Labour or SNP devolved governments has gone rogue on this. If you watched the press conferences up here Sturgeon is getting the same stick from journos that the UK spokespeople are getting. It would be easier for Nicola just to blame Boris.
And another question. If Johnson announced the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, who would have been the first person on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The lockdown was always coming. They made this clear at the very first press conference. They said the lockdown had to be perfectly timed. Not too early so that the country didn't get fatique (anyone crying out for an exit strategy after just three weeks) but times to keep the curve below NHS capacity while expanding it. Which is exactly what has happened.
This isn't to say that those criticising the government's strategy are wrong or right. We may not know who was truly correct for decades, or ever. But the government had to follow the advice given. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:42]
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His twitter feed is interesting.
He rightly goes after the Union leader who made crass comments about Johnson dying.
He plays down the herd immunity strategy and change of tack from Johnson.
He talks about the death toll and uses "wait and see" playing down fears about how bad it is.
Let's assume he is 100% correct here. His whole MO is playing to Johnson supporters (especially as it's LBC) and using deflection dressed up as Enlightment era rationalism. It's not very convincing when you even scratch the surface.
When you take his argument as part of the bigger picture, it shows that if Johnson is indeed "running things" as his deputies insist. He is neither holding them to account or checking on what he has delegated.
Either way it plays out exactly as feared and predicted by anyone paying attention to his previous lack of moral fibre, decency or ability. | |
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