| The Times with another explosive scoop.... 19:25 - Apr 18 with 20297 views | itfcjoe |
Won’t be long until these Tories are truly held to account.
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:03 - Apr 19 with 922 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:54 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
His twitter feed is interesting.
He rightly goes after the Union leader who made crass comments about Johnson dying.
He plays down the herd immunity strategy and change of tack from Johnson.
He talks about the death toll and uses "wait and see" playing down fears about how bad it is.
Let's assume he is 100% correct here. His whole MO is playing to Johnson supporters (especially as it's LBC) and using deflection dressed up as Enlightment era rationalism. It's not very convincing when you even scratch the surface.
When you take his argument as part of the bigger picture, it shows that if Johnson is indeed "running things" as his deputies insist. He is neither holding them to account or checking on what he has delegated.
Either way it plays out exactly as feared and predicted by anyone paying attention to his previous lack of moral fibre, decency or ability. |
How do you mean especially as it's LBC? |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:17 - Apr 19 with 906 views | Mullet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:03 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
How do you mean especially as it's LBC? |
London based talk radio with a shock jock angle and Farage and Ferrari on its books. Given radio audiences are getting older rapidly, it's pretty clear that a large share of its audience base will be receptive to pro BoJo messages. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:29 - Apr 19 with 883 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:17 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
London based talk radio with a shock jock angle and Farage and Ferrari on its books. Given radio audiences are getting older rapidly, it's pretty clear that a large share of its audience base will be receptive to pro BoJo messages. |
LBC is a mix of informative and EDGELORD. Their business model is controversial figures, shock value and viral snippets as self-promotion.
I take everything I see from them with a pinch of salt. It’s balanced in opinion by giving air time to extremely unbalanced people on both sides of the fence. Unique way of approaching it but at the end of the day the only principles LBC holds is the pursue of the mighty dollar. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:33 - Apr 19 with 875 views | Mullet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:29 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
LBC is a mix of informative and EDGELORD. Their business model is controversial figures, shock value and viral snippets as self-promotion.
I take everything I see from them with a pinch of salt. It’s balanced in opinion by giving air time to extremely unbalanced people on both sides of the fence. Unique way of approaching it but at the end of the day the only principles LBC holds is the pursue of the mighty dollar. |
Well quite, but I don't think this guy is playing to the cardigans and pro Venezula crowd looking at his output is he? | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:35 - Apr 19 with 869 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:33 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
Well quite, but I don't think this guy is playing to the cardigans and pro Venezula crowd looking at his output is he? |
I think he reads TWTD and each week he tries to get traffic from here by saying something a Tory will repost  | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:13 - Apr 19 with 829 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:21 - Apr 19 by jeera |
I like guinea pigs. |
Hamsters are considered a delicacy in parts of South America. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:17 - Apr 19 with 823 views | jeera |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:13 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Hamsters are considered a delicacy in parts of South America. |
Hamsters are a nightmare. They can have gerbils too, as like snacks or starters.
I have heard they eat some rodents but luckily no one would hurt a guinea pig as they're too smart and cute.
So long as they leave the guinea pigs alone then S.America and I will be just fine. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:21 - Apr 19 with 811 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:17 - Apr 19 by jeera |
Hamsters are a nightmare. They can have gerbils too, as like snacks or starters.
I have heard they eat some rodents but luckily no one would hurt a guinea pig as they're too smart and cute.
So long as they leave the guinea pigs alone then S.America and I will be just fine. |
What about the people who put hamsters in their bum? | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:27 - Apr 19 with 805 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:17 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
London based talk radio with a shock jock angle and Farage and Ferrari on its books. Given radio audiences are getting older rapidly, it's pretty clear that a large share of its audience base will be receptive to pro BoJo messages. |
You are completely wrong Mullet, the only thing London based in it is that the building it is in London, it has long since been a London based show when it comes to contributors and listeners.
I listen to LBC every day and have done for years, I listen to most programs, even Steve Allens 4am slot.
Forget about Farage for a minute, Farage is on 5 hours a week, Ken Livingstone also used to be a regular and Sadiq Khan is indeed a current regular guest host.
After Ferrari you have James O Brien, James OBrien is the most extreme member of the LBC line up and has the 10am - 1pm hotspot. James O Brien is more left than any other presenter I have ever listened to - and I used to listen to Galloway. I listen to James O Brien most days
After O Brien you have Sheila Fogarty who is a massive Boris basher and of all people after that you have Eddie Mair, hardly shock jocks.
Try listening to it some time. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:39 - Apr 19 with 775 views | Mullet |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:27 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
You are completely wrong Mullet, the only thing London based in it is that the building it is in London, it has long since been a London based show when it comes to contributors and listeners.
I listen to LBC every day and have done for years, I listen to most programs, even Steve Allens 4am slot.
Forget about Farage for a minute, Farage is on 5 hours a week, Ken Livingstone also used to be a regular and Sadiq Khan is indeed a current regular guest host.
After Ferrari you have James O Brien, James OBrien is the most extreme member of the LBC line up and has the 10am - 1pm hotspot. James O Brien is more left than any other presenter I have ever listened to - and I used to listen to Galloway. I listen to James O Brien most days
After O Brien you have Sheila Fogarty who is a massive Boris basher and of all people after that you have Eddie Mair, hardly shock jocks.
Try listening to it some time. |
Yeah, I didn't suggest that wasn't the case though did I? All you've done is present the same thing with the other bias and names.
Given your Boris themed signature on here and oddly defensive stance on him too..... | |
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| The right of reply.... on 21:41 - Apr 19 with 773 views | Bloots |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 19:37 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
So the PM is being criticised for "skipping" 5 COBRA meetings, despite it being the norm for Secretary of States to chair them
and during this period the PM met with both the CMO and CSA twice a week to be briefed on their latest scientific and medical advice.
Majjid sums it up perfectly here
He takes the Times story apart here..
"Read the article dispassionately. It makes it clear that the scientists who were advising a different course were dissenting voices. Theirs was not the formal advice presented by the science committees (SAGE & NERVTAG). Government followed the official committee advice throughout"
"Read the minutes of meetings the article refers to. It’s not really up for debate. The article confuses (or deliberately mixes up) the dissenting scientists’ advice from the formal, official science committees’ advice. The article is just full of blunders"
"Instead, this appears (transparently so) as more of the same: a Murdoch vs Barclay Brothers media war over whether to back Johnson or Gove going forward (typical media oligarch squabbling over who should be leader, in the middle of the worst global emergency of our lifetimes)."
So a question for those criticising the government's handling of this crisis. Do you want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do you not?
And it wasn't just the ministers of the UK government, or as Callis likes to call them, the Tories. The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland too. They’re responsible for health policy in their countries. Thye have been in the loop from day one and they followed and continue to follow the same strategy. Not one of Labour or SNP devolved governments has gone rogue on this. If you watched the press conferences up here Sturgeon is getting the same stick from journos that the UK spokespeople are getting. It would be easier for Nicola just to blame Boris.
And another question. If Johnson announced the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, who would have been the first person on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The lockdown was always coming. They made this clear at the very first press conference. They said the lockdown had to be perfectly timed. Not too early so that the country didn't get fatique (anyone crying out for an exit strategy after just three weeks) but times to keep the curve below NHS capacity while expanding it. Which is exactly what has happened.
This isn't to say that those criticising the government's strategy are wrong or right. We may not know who was truly correct for decades, or ever. But the government had to follow the advice given. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:42]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 22:11 - Apr 19 with 729 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:39 - Apr 19 by Mullet |
Yeah, I didn't suggest that wasn't the case though did I? All you've done is present the same thing with the other bias and names.
Given your Boris themed signature on here and oddly defensive stance on him too..... |
Yes, yes you did suggest that and all I did was even up what you were suggesting, for every Ferrari there is an O'Brien, overall it's well balanced. As I said, I listen to it all the time every day, all you did is Wiki it.
Quite frankly I don't give a sh1t anyway, reasoned debate on here went out a long time ago, all you are left with is a consolidation of confirmation bias, last night you had posters calling Stokie Blue a liar, this place really beggars belief sometimes . | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 22:12 - Apr 19 with 726 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:27 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
You are completely wrong Mullet, the only thing London based in it is that the building it is in London, it has long since been a London based show when it comes to contributors and listeners.
I listen to LBC every day and have done for years, I listen to most programs, even Steve Allens 4am slot.
Forget about Farage for a minute, Farage is on 5 hours a week, Ken Livingstone also used to be a regular and Sadiq Khan is indeed a current regular guest host.
After Ferrari you have James O Brien, James OBrien is the most extreme member of the LBC line up and has the 10am - 1pm hotspot. James O Brien is more left than any other presenter I have ever listened to - and I used to listen to Galloway. I listen to James O Brien most days
After O Brien you have Sheila Fogarty who is a massive Boris basher and of all people after that you have Eddie Mair, hardly shock jocks.
Try listening to it some time. |
It’s quite breathtaking isn’t it!
We’ve had 9 pages of the great and good of the board’s lefties jizzing themselves over a story that has appeared in one of devil uncle Rupert’s right wing rags because it suited their confirmation bias, yet when a counter argument to that story is posted they decide to launch an ad hominem on Maajid and the media outlet he works for rather than engaging in the issues he raised.
Rather disappointing that something like ten replies after my post not one of them has actually attempted to answer the questions that I asked. If anyone had done the same to a Callis question he would have spent the night sobbing into his teddy bear.
Still, without expecting an serious answer I’ll ask the questions again....
Do those who are criticising the government's handling of this crisis want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do they not?
If Johnson had announced that the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, would they have happily accepted that or would they have been on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are responsible for health policy in their countries. Why do they follow the same strategy?
Why are the likes of a Nicola Sturgeon not standing up and demanding that Scotland foes alone? [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:38]
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| The right of reply.... on 22:13 - Apr 19 with 720 views | GlasgowBlue |
It really isn’t very helpful bringing facts into a TWTD thread mate.
Still, it seems to have shut Callis up fir more than five minutes which is never a bad thing. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:21]
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| To be honest mate, I only posted it..... on 22:30 - Apr 19 with 699 views | Bloots |
| The right of reply.... on 22:13 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
It really isn’t very helpful bringing facts into a TWTD thread mate.
Still, it seems to have shut Callis up fir more than five minutes which is never a bad thing. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:21]
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…..to confirm the total lack of response I suspected it would get.
People are funny. | |
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| #dontbuythesun..... on 22:31 - Apr 19 with 696 views | Bloots |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 22:12 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s quite breathtaking isn’t it!
We’ve had 9 pages of the great and good of the board’s lefties jizzing themselves over a story that has appeared in one of devil uncle Rupert’s right wing rags because it suited their confirmation bias, yet when a counter argument to that story is posted they decide to launch an ad hominem on Maajid and the media outlet he works for rather than engaging in the issues he raised.
Rather disappointing that something like ten replies after my post not one of them has actually attempted to answer the questions that I asked. If anyone had done the same to a Callis question he would have spent the night sobbing into his teddy bear.
Still, without expecting an serious answer I’ll ask the questions again....
Do those who are criticising the government's handling of this crisis want Ministers to follow the advice of their experts at a time of national crisis, or do they not?
If Johnson had announced that the country was being placed under the most draconian lock-down in peacetime against the advice of his senior science and medical advisers, would they have happily accepted that or would they have been on here crying that we are "sleepwalking into fascism" and that the "Brexiteers don't listen to experts"?
The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are responsible for health policy in their countries. Why do they follow the same strategy?
Why are the likes of a Nicola Sturgeon not standing up and demanding that Scotland foes alone? [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:38]
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| The right of reply.... on 22:31 - Apr 19 with 700 views | StokieBlue |
That's quite some response and something I believe the Department of Health don't usually do with regards to media articles. Will need to be fact checked and really the Times should provide a response if they believe their evidence is solid.
Some very interesting information, especially the PPE returned by China many times over.
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| The right of reply.... on 22:41 - Apr 19 with 676 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The right of reply.... on 22:31 - Apr 19 by StokieBlue |
That's quite some response and something I believe the Department of Health don't usually do with regards to media articles. Will need to be fact checked and really the Times should provide a response if they believe their evidence is solid.
Some very interesting information, especially the PPE returned by China many times over.
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Here’s another one for Callis. He’s accused “the Tories” of not ordering PPE early enough “like all the other countries did!!"
But in this article published 6th March, the PPE supplier in France who cancelled the NHS's order says the NHS were the first to put an order in.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-french-protective-mask-manufactu
Doesn't suit the narrative, does it? | |
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| The right of reply.... on 22:45 - Apr 19 with 672 views | monytowbray |
| The right of reply.... on 22:13 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
It really isn’t very helpful bringing facts into a TWTD thread mate.
Still, it seems to have shut Callis up fir more than five minutes which is never a bad thing. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:21]
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I literally responded. So did a few others.
For someone so keen to dismiss a Labour report as fake propaganda, you are quick to jump on a printing press piece direct from the Government.
I’m glad you think of me went you post this stuff though. I’m kind of annoyed I’ve paid two lots of rent on my flat during the pandemic when I had a room I could have had rent-free in your head this entire time :) | |
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| The right of reply.... on 22:49 - Apr 19 with 663 views | monytowbray |
You can just provide this evidence and I’ll bow out to being wrong you know. I’m not sure where this invented narrative you’ve came up with has stemmed from, nor why it’s directed at me in a thread with multiple posters.
The hole in this article is it doesn’t account for the fact of why we didn’t have enough to begin with. It’s been common knowledge we tried to get them for ages anyway. Xrayspecs confirmed that last week. You’re hanging on to a dud point to score political points which is hella ironic.
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| The right of reply.... on 22:51 - Apr 19 with 650 views | Herbivore |
| The right of reply.... on 22:13 - Apr 19 by GlasgowBlue |
It really isn’t very helpful bringing facts into a TWTD thread mate.
Still, it seems to have shut Callis up fir more than five minutes which is never a bad thing. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 22:21]
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| The right of reply.... on 23:00 - Apr 19 with 630 views | jeera |
| The right of reply.... on 22:51 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
That's a Tory press release. I suspect it's relationship with facts is complicated at best. |
I have to say that the tone surprises me. It comes across as one of us on here when we've got the hump or put on the spot rather than some governmental release.
Also I don't quite get this bit:
"Claim - Little was done to equip the National Health Service for the coming crisis in this period.
Response - This is wrong. The NHS has responded well to Coronavirus, and has provided treatment to everyone in critical need. We have constructed the new Nightingale hospitals and extended intensive care capacity in other hospitals."
That doesn't answer the statement it's quoted.
I have friends who work in the Health Service and was chatting to one I have known for many years only yesterday.
She made it very clear that she and her colleagues are at the end of their tether regarding 'equipment' and support.
She has already had someone have a 'word' for something she put on Twitter in frustration some days ago. So that's monitored. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 23:02]
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| The right of reply.... on 23:05 - Apr 19 with 618 views | monytowbray |
I’m reading this now and a lot of it is “he said, she said”.
The point on the NHS being unprepared for example is nothing thanks to the government. Unless virtually all staff have an agenda. If it were prepared it would have the PPE gear needed and staff would have been tested since day one.
I’m still taking it all in mind you. | |
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| The right of reply.... on 23:08 - Apr 19 with 612 views | monytowbray |
| The right of reply.... on 23:00 - Apr 19 by jeera |
I have to say that the tone surprises me. It comes across as one of us on here when we've got the hump or put on the spot rather than some governmental release.
Also I don't quite get this bit:
"Claim - Little was done to equip the National Health Service for the coming crisis in this period.
Response - This is wrong. The NHS has responded well to Coronavirus, and has provided treatment to everyone in critical need. We have constructed the new Nightingale hospitals and extended intensive care capacity in other hospitals."
That doesn't answer the statement it's quoted.
I have friends who work in the Health Service and was chatting to one I have known for many years only yesterday.
She made it very clear that she and her colleagues are at the end of their tether regarding 'equipment' and support.
She has already had someone have a 'word' for something she put on Twitter in frustration some days ago. So that's monitored. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 23:02]
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Weird we picked up on that point independently, almost as if saying something and the reality are quite different.
And your first point is correct. Reads more like counter spin than anything covered in facts. There has been a lot of effort to disprove some claims and then some are just “No because we said so.”
But then again this is coming from the party that rebranded as a fake fact check account during the election debates to spread disinformation so I’ll apologise for being a skeptic.
There’s also nothing here about Herd Immunity, sacking off PPE from the EU (whilst oddly trying to order from an EU member at the time)or the fact the advice they were giving in February publicly doesn’t add up to the sudden changed narrative they were taking it seriously.
Hmmm. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 23:12]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 23:33 - Apr 19 with 588 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 08:09 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Elections are lost, as well as won. Trump won because the Democrats put up the wrong candidate, a candidate some traditional democrats found unsupportable.
Johnson was elected with a massive majority. Traditional Labour voters turned against what they saw as a shambolic , unelectable rabble. Conservatives were elected to parliament in constituencies they had never in their wildest dreams considered that possible.
It is difficult to disagree with much of the criticism of Johnson but he isn’t the reason we are where we are. We are stuck with the government we have because there wasn’t an electable alternative.
Each and every member of the Labour Party shares some responsibility for that. |
More people voted non-Tory, non-Brexit parties at the last election, the FPTP system gave Boris his seat majority.
People keep saying if you don't like it, vote for a different party - well I do, all the time, but being in a super-safe Tory seat it means smeg all... |  |
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