| The Times with another explosive scoop.... 19:25 - Apr 18 with 20252 views | itfcjoe |
Won’t be long until these Tories are truly held to account.
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:04 - Apr 19 with 1115 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:35 - Apr 18 by m14_blue |
What duff advice from the WHO? |
I wouldn't bother engaging with Little Baron. Anyone who takes his information from Donald J Trump is erring on the side of being a f'#kwit. |  | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:06 - Apr 19 with 1109 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 20:57 - Apr 18 by Darth_Koont |
Good luck with that. No-one ever gets held to account in the UK. |
Ehhhhh. Brown certainly did after the Crash of 2007/8. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:08 - Apr 19 with 1104 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 21:41 - Apr 18 by BloomBlue |
Unless you ignore South Korea and Sweden who didn't lockdown |
You do realise how extensive South Korea's testing regime was don't you. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:21 - Apr 19 with 1111 views | longtimefan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:08 - Apr 19 by mrshallisfit |
You do realise how extensive South Korea's testing regime was don't you. |
Roughly half per capita than Spain and Italy! There isn’t a simple answer here, it’s multi-faceted. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:39 - Apr 19 with 1092 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:06 - Apr 19 by mrshallisfit |
Ehhhhh. Brown certainly did after the Crash of 2007/8. |
Far enough. Although not sure he was actually hed to account for what he did or didn't do.
Brown seemed to get blamed for other stuff and by people who conveniently ignored the global nature of the economy. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:39 - Apr 19 with 1091 views | jeera |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:21 - Apr 19 by longtimefan |
Roughly half per capita than Spain and Italy! There isn’t a simple answer here, it’s multi-faceted. |
I know we only see the shots on screen etc, but they actively sought to go after the virus didn't they.
Alongside the testing, tracing, isolating.
We've seen the images of streets being washed and outdoor apparatus being wiped down.
If everyone took a similar approach you would think maybe it wouldn't hurt. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 with 1093 views | m14_blue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 10:58 - Apr 19 by sparks |
Not really enough information imo.
Meeting being set up- Boris says "I haev these key things to deal with- am I needed?"
Senior folks say "no- we're good, we'll report back to you and get you on the phone if there is anythign very major to decide that we havent already discussed".
"Righto."
This is what goes on with meetings and senior people in every organisation. It may be that he was being lackadaisical. There may have been good reasons. Too many simply make assumptions though. |
Oh come on.
These were COBRA meetings with the country in the middle of a pandemic not a quarterly catch up.
I’m all for balance but this post is bordering on the absurd. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 with 1090 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 13:47 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
Well, conscious incompetence is further along the road to actual competence than unconscious incompetence.
It's a sign of competent people to admit what they don't know or where they are inexperienced. And it's a sign of dangerous narcissists that they never do. |
The old saying about bring promoted to a position of incompetence. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:43 - Apr 19 with 1083 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 13:59 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
Oh 100% agree. But the neoliberals didn’t want that so they sabotaged their own party. |
Yep. I have this image of Labour HQ being run by a bunch of lowhouses who ultimately stood for nothing except political power for its own sake. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:43 - Apr 19 with 1083 views | BlueBadger |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 11:17 - Apr 19 by Herbivore |
It shouldn't even need stating. The lengths some of these Tory boys will go to so they can try to deflect criticism. |
Ironically enough, it's 'political pointscoring' of the worst kind. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:48 - Apr 19 with 1076 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
The old saying about bring promoted to a position of incompetence. |
Indeed. Going from politicking and soundbites to being PM and having actual responsibility over real systems of government, legislation and the huge amount of detail that involves is such a massive leap.
The Peter Principle is going to be proven more times than not. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:59 - Apr 19 with 1056 views | longtimefan |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:39 - Apr 19 by jeera |
I know we only see the shots on screen etc, but they actively sought to go after the virus didn't they.
Alongside the testing, tracing, isolating.
We've seen the images of streets being washed and outdoor apparatus being wiped down.
If everyone took a similar approach you would think maybe it wouldn't hurt. |
Undoubtably. Just pointing out that testing in itself is only part of an approach. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:01 - Apr 19 with 1054 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 12:51 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
They were supporters certainly. But that comparison doesn't really stand up.
Lansman and Momentum were grassroots activists trying to sway voters from outside the traditional party lines. Like Farage and UKIP/The Brexit Partyultimately did for the Conservatives. Both had influence on the leaderships of the respective parties by mobilising people.
Cummings is something else entirely. A political machine who has grasped how politics actually works and how he can game it. |
It really does stand up. For Seamus Milne read Dominic Cummings for Momentum read ERG. Both sets of dangerous fundamentalists from either side of the spectrum. The polarisation they have brought to this country will take decades to heal - assuming a byline actually has the national interest to try and do it. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:17 - Apr 19 with 1043 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:43 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
Yep. I have this image of Labour HQ being run by a bunch of lowhouses who ultimately stood for nothing except political power for its own sake. |
I make you right.
Their ties are a nicer colour though. |  |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:23 - Apr 19 with 1036 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:01 - Apr 19 by Plums |
It really does stand up. For Seamus Milne read Dominic Cummings for Momentum read ERG. Both sets of dangerous fundamentalists from either side of the spectrum. The polarisation they have brought to this country will take decades to heal - assuming a byline actually has the national interest to try and do it. |
You're mixing stuff up now bringing in Milne. The ERG were also elected MPs and some of the most establishment figures you can imagine. They weren't outsiders in any sense apart from being loons.
The polarisation you're talking about on the left was actually engaging ordinary people in politics and democratizing the Labour Party. Fought against, tooth, nail and scummy WhatsApp messages by a political class who are utterly indifferent to the real job of politics and the people they are meant to represent. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:49 - Apr 19 with 1022 views | sparks |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:40 - Apr 19 by m14_blue |
Oh come on.
These were COBRA meetings with the country in the middle of a pandemic not a quarterly catch up.
I’m all for balance but this post is bordering on the absurd. |
So you have the details? Or you are content to make assumptions? |  |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:51 - Apr 19 with 1020 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:49 - Apr 19 by sparks |
So you have the details? Or you are content to make assumptions? |
This is a weird hill to die on. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:57 - Apr 19 with 1011 views | Funge |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:51 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
This is a weird hill to die on. |
My thoughts exactly. |  | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:08 - Apr 19 with 993 views | Plums |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:23 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
You're mixing stuff up now bringing in Milne. The ERG were also elected MPs and some of the most establishment figures you can imagine. They weren't outsiders in any sense apart from being loons.
The polarisation you're talking about on the left was actually engaging ordinary people in politics and democratizing the Labour Party. Fought against, tooth, nail and scummy WhatsApp messages by a political class who are utterly indifferent to the real job of politics and the people they are meant to represent. |
OK, we’re not going to agree on this. As someone with no love for party politics, I can see it all for what it is - devotion to a cause with no compromise. They’re all components of the ‘party’ machine and it’s to the detriment of our national well being. Both parties have had extreme purges under their respective leaders and Momentum and ERG are both key players in that happening. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:17 - Apr 19 with 975 views | m14_blue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 15:49 - Apr 19 by sparks |
So you have the details? Or you are content to make assumptions? |
As I say, I usually admire your approach but this is just bizarre. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:22 - Apr 19 with 971 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:08 - Apr 19 by Plums |
OK, we’re not going to agree on this. As someone with no love for party politics, I can see it all for what it is - devotion to a cause with no compromise. They’re all components of the ‘party’ machine and it’s to the detriment of our national well being. Both parties have had extreme purges under their respective leaders and Momentum and ERG are both key players in that happening. |
Only there wasn’t a purge by the Corbynistas. Corbyn’s first shadow cabinets were exactly the broad church that the supposed Labour moderates were asking for. And then they purged themselves by resigning and trying to force leadership elections for the next two years.
The recent leaks have shown just how deep-rooted, dishonest and ultimately undemocratic much of that opposition was. And how the media went along with and helped build the narrative. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 16:24]
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:40 - Apr 19 with 944 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 12:12 - Apr 19 by pointofblue |
The problem was, when challenged, Corbyn came across at times as incompetent, muddled and out of touch. His interview with Andrew Neil prior to the December election was painful. Now every leader was shredded by Neil - every one who dared to face him, that is - by Corbyn’s stood out as particularly painful. He never could get the handle of Prime Minister’s questions either and appeared more often than not to be on the back foot when he should have been the one putting the Government under scrutiny. Unfortunately a lot of politics is about image and presentation and, whilst Corbyn was excellent in selling his ideas to those who had faith in his ideals, he struggled to gain confidence in others. That was fine when the Conservatives had a leader in the same position as him but not when they had someone who could talk the talk - even if they couldn’t walk the walk. |
At least he faced Neil. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:43 - Apr 19 with 936 views | mrshallisfit |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 14:39 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
Far enough. Although not sure he was actually hed to account for what he did or didn't do.
Brown seemed to get blamed for other stuff and by people who conveniently ignored the global nature of the economy. |
The narrative the Tories that Brown wrecked the economy was and still is being trotted out today. | | | |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:44 - Apr 19 with 939 views | monytowbray |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:17 - Apr 19 by m14_blue |
As I say, I usually admire your approach but this is just bizarre. |
It’s been his approach for the 10ish years I’ve been on TWTD.
Hypothetical questions dressed up as faux intellect. | |
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| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:44 - Apr 19 with 937 views | BloomBlue |
| The Times with another explosive scoop.... on 16:40 - Apr 19 by mrshallisfit |
At least he faced Neil. |
But no good facing him and look an idiot, Sturgeon looked like a PM when she faced him JC looked like a school boy who had been told off |  | | |
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