| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) 13:07 - Oct 29 with 25508 views | Ewan_Oozami |
According to my highly dodgy Twitter feed... [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:10]
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:49 - Oct 29 with 1046 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:44 - Oct 29 by Meadowlark |
Decent opposition is not permitted, or have you not noticed?
As soon as we start to get close, the establishment orchestrates the situation to prevent it.
This time around they are also starting to dismantle the system so that there is no chance of any future change that might be beneficial to us all.
It's difficult to see a way back from this situation without a revolution. |
Are you being serious? |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:49 - Oct 29 with 1049 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:38 - Oct 29 by Ewan_Oozami |
And vice versa of course... |
See above.
But it’s really a false equivalence and not backed up by how the Labour centre and right behaved throughout Corbyn’s leadership. Comparing the actions of “corbynista” trolls and loons online* with how actual senior party officials, the deputy leader and many of the MPs sabotaged the party and briefed against its leader is way off.
*There’s no shortage of centrist goons either online. Just that the actual lack of unity at the heart of a party and in its immediate sphere is the key point. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:57 - Oct 29 with 1027 views | eireblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:36 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
I’m posting my views on this particular issue. |
So, Jewish people are able to define anti-semitism? |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:00 - Oct 29 with 1017 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:43 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
"Red Tory".
That's the unity displayed by a large part of the membership after JC became leader. If you weren't 100% with them you were against them.
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The membership yes. Because they were aligned with Corbyn and his policies. It was the Labour Party structure that was unaligned and made a point of moving further away too.
I really thought Starmer could make that work as leader and bring that unity. I should have known better.
Now, I can only hope they suffocate in their bubble. Either to be re-launched as a left wing party or be supplanted by one by 2024. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:00 - Oct 29 with 1015 views | BloomBlue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:44 - Oct 29 by Meadowlark |
Decent opposition is not permitted, or have you not noticed?
As soon as we start to get close, the establishment orchestrates the situation to prevent it.
This time around they are also starting to dismantle the system so that there is no chance of any future change that might be beneficial to us all.
It's difficult to see a way back from this situation without a revolution. |
Are you talking about decent opposition just within the Labour party or decent opposition generally?
If generally what's decent about racism or are you saying the EHRCs findings are made up? |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:01 - Oct 29 with 1011 views | monytowbray |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 14:49 - Oct 29 by BloomBlue |
Try talking to a Jewish person and ask them if they think the same.
I don't think it could be more damning for the Labour party a party which apparently prides itself on being a broad church when clearly it's not.
But you're happy with it obviously, each to their own |
I know left wing Jewish people who voted for Corbyn as clearly he wasn't an anti-Semite. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:03 - Oct 29 with 999 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:57 - Oct 29 by eireblue |
So, Jewish people are able to define anti-semitism? |
As with all things that may or may not be deemed to be offensive I would say that the context is, of course, important. Once an official independent review has found clear examples of discrimination then I like to see that review acted upon. In line with this I applaud Kier Starmer for his actions today. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 17:04]
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:04 - Oct 29 with 993 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:01 - Oct 29 by monytowbray |
I know left wing Jewish people who voted for Corbyn as clearly he wasn't an anti-Semite. |
Some of my best friends are Jews ... | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:07 - Oct 29 with 978 views | footers |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:49 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
Are you being serious? |
It happened to Wilson, then Foot, and now Corbyn.
Once you have stepped too far 'left', the establishment will see to it that you're smeared and considered 'unelectable'.
But you're one of the press's puppets, seeing as you simply parrot everything you read in the right-wing media. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:07 - Oct 29 with 977 views | footers |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:04 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
Some of my best friends are Jews ... |
Bet you've got loads of Black and gay mates too, eh? | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:07 - Oct 29 with 968 views | vindicatedblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:01 - Oct 29 by monytowbray |
I know left wing Jewish people who voted for Corbyn as clearly he wasn't an anti-Semite. |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:08 - Oct 29 with 975 views | monytowbray |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:04 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
Some of my best friends are Jews ... |
Don’t think you’re best qualified to pull that one.
Just getting a bit bored of sweeping statements that are evidently factually incorrect. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:08 - Oct 29 with 972 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:07 - Oct 29 by footers |
It happened to Wilson, then Foot, and now Corbyn.
Once you have stepped too far 'left', the establishment will see to it that you're smeared and considered 'unelectable'.
But you're one of the press's puppets, seeing as you simply parrot everything you read in the right-wing media. |
nice to see you back. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:09 - Oct 29 with 964 views | footers |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:08 - Oct 29 by giant_stow |
nice to see you back. |
Glad to be back, ta :) | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:09 - Oct 29 with 963 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:07 - Oct 29 by footers |
Bet you've got loads of Black and gay mates too, eh? |
You didn’t get it ... | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:09 - Oct 29 with 962 views | monytowbray |
That’s why I don’t make sweeping statements representing entire cultures.
Doesn’t really work when it was in response to a post that was doing that in its original point. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:10 - Oct 29 with 961 views | BlueBadger |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 14:14 - Oct 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It is self evident that the scale of the issue was "overstated"...this is bullsh1t spectacle politics at its finest. |
Let's face it, ignoring and actively courtng the support of racists has always worked well for the Tories. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:10 - Oct 29 with 955 views | monytowbray |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:09 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
You didn’t get it ... |
I did, that’s the problem. Coming from you it was rich. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:11 - Oct 29 with 942 views | vindicatedblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:08 - Oct 29 by giant_stow |
nice to see you back. |
So am I. If he wasn't then we couldn't have had this comedy gold earlier.
Not sure GB will be back... by footers 28 Oct 2020 22:35And only an "earlier draft" found it. Shame it's not in the latest copy.
Wonder what happened to the one individual Tw@tterer who made over 500 submissions?
Oh well, Corbyn's gone, so let's call it all a much of a muchness, eh?
[rolleyes]
Welcome back footers. | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:11 - Oct 29 with 942 views | BloomBlue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:01 - Oct 29 by monytowbray |
I know left wing Jewish people who voted for Corbyn as clearly he wasn't an anti-Semite. |
What the hell difference does that make? I know plenty of coloured people who voted for Boris because they know he's not racist, but you'll say he is.
Just because a few people voted for someone doesn't mean they aren't a racist
Talk about left winger sticking their head in the sand | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:12 - Oct 29 with 937 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 16:44 - Oct 29 by Meadowlark |
Decent opposition is not permitted, or have you not noticed?
As soon as we start to get close, the establishment orchestrates the situation to prevent it.
This time around they are also starting to dismantle the system so that there is no chance of any future change that might be beneficial to us all.
It's difficult to see a way back from this situation without a revolution. |
Maybe not a full-on revolution. But certainly we need to stop expecting the system to provide an answer to its own failings. That’s sort of insane.
It’s something that in Scotland people have realised over the years without the jingoistic, flag-shagging nonsense that gets too many people in England defending their idea of the UK rather than their own interests. Left unaddressed but then exploited, that disillusionment and disenfranchisement gave us UKIP/Brexit and the current government that’s been given carte blanche to fail the population even more and make the underlying systemic problems even worse.
Ideally, someone or some movement will develop from Rashford’s stance that attacks the systemic failure of the UK having 4 million children in poverty and rising. And something that underlines the culpability of successive governments from the 80s onwards rather than lazily blaming just the Tories. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:15 - Oct 29 with 920 views | monytowbray |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:11 - Oct 29 by BloomBlue |
What the hell difference does that make? I know plenty of coloured people who voted for Boris because they know he's not racist, but you'll say he is.
Just because a few people voted for someone doesn't mean they aren't a racist
Talk about left winger sticking their head in the sand |
Well you made the assumption first my man.
I see you ignored my post asking for evidence of how the left has a massive anti semitism problem earlier though.
Boris Johnson has continually used racist slurs and proposed we blow up families of refugees. But all cool. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 17:16]
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:16 - Oct 29 with 915 views | eireblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:03 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
As with all things that may or may not be deemed to be offensive I would say that the context is, of course, important. Once an official independent review has found clear examples of discrimination then I like to see that review acted upon. In line with this I applaud Kier Starmer for his actions today. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 17:04]
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So Jewish people are able to define un-acceptable context? | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:16 - Oct 29 with 913 views | BlueBadger |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:01 - Oct 29 by monytowbray |
I know left wing Jewish people who voted for Corbyn as clearly he wasn't an anti-Semite. |
He didn't go to games with them, he just sat with them. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:19 - Oct 29 with 902 views | monytowbray |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 17:16 - Oct 29 by BlueBadger |
He didn't go to games with them, he just sat with them. |
Again, I ask, how is someone who has protested racism for decades somehow a closet anti-semite? That’s the dot I simply can’t connect. Third time asking on that front. | |
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