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If you’re London based 14:26 - Dec 19 with 14136 viewsclive_baker

And planning to spend Christmas elsewhere, I would go now.

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If you’re London based on 14:32 - Dec 19 with 3967 viewsSpruceMoose

Or as an alternative stay home during a pandemic.

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If you’re London based on 15:04 - Dec 19 with 3896 viewsclive_baker

If you’re London based on 14:32 - Dec 19 by SpruceMoose

Or as an alternative stay home during a pandemic.


Sounds sensible, but some people sadly are more vulnerable.

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If you’re London based on 15:49 - Dec 19 with 3800 viewsIllinoisblue

My brother in Surrey was planning to spend Xmas in Ipswich with my mum (who’s on her own). Guessing that won’t be happening now. Which is the right thing but boy does it suck. Shame on everyone who fell for the lovable clown Boris routine. An incompetent charlatan who should have resigned in shame months ago.

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If you’re London based on 15:53 - Dec 19 with 3770 viewsfactual_blue

If you’re London based on 15:04 - Dec 19 by clive_baker

Sounds sensible, but some people sadly are more vulnerable.


Whilst that is undoubtedly true, even more are stupid.

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If you’re London based on 15:54 - Dec 19 with 3773 viewsSteve_M

Seems like many have left already, even in a normal year people are travelling in numbers from last weekend before Christmas.

I was provisionally going back to Ipswich but looks like it’ll be Christmas on my own. I wouldn’t mind but the covid rate in Ipswich is higher than in Camden.

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If you’re London based on 16:07 - Dec 19 with 3712 viewsPendejo

So... It looks like I will have to keep my dad in London for Xmas, in our over crowded 2nd floor flat rather than his spacious house with a big garden.

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If you’re London based on 16:10 - Dec 19 with 3689 viewsclive_baker

If you’re London based on 15:49 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue

My brother in Surrey was planning to spend Xmas in Ipswich with my mum (who’s on her own). Guessing that won’t be happening now. Which is the right thing but boy does it suck. Shame on everyone who fell for the lovable clown Boris routine. An incompetent charlatan who should have resigned in shame months ago.


Sorry to hear that.

My uncle was meant to be visiting my parents for Christmas. He’s had a very challenging year mentally and he was really looking forward to it. Saddens me that he’ll be on his own, but needs must I guess.

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If you’re London based on 16:27 - Dec 19 with 3594 viewsStenvict

I reckon 90% of people have already made plans, and are unlikely to change them.

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If you’re London based on 16:27 - Dec 19 with 3593 viewsBlueBadger

If you’re London based on 15:54 - Dec 19 by Steve_M

Seems like many have left already, even in a normal year people are travelling in numbers from last weekend before Christmas.

I was provisionally going back to Ipswich but looks like it’ll be Christmas on my own. I wouldn’t mind but the covid rate in Ipswich is higher than in Camden.


It's fooking awful here at [redacted]. 80+ inpatient cases and counting...

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If you’re London based on 16:29 - Dec 19 with 3576 viewsPinewoodblue

Silly post they are currently not allowed to travel, except in certain circumstances, and couldn't overnight in any case unless for work, and a few other specific reasons.

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If you’re London based on 16:30 - Dec 19 with 3558 viewsSarge

If you’re London based on 14:32 - Dec 19 by SpruceMoose

Or as an alternative stay home during a pandemic.


How nice it must be to live with any of your family.
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If you’re London based on 16:30 - Dec 19 with 3558 viewslazyblue

Or just stay where you are now instead of making it worse for everybody else!
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If you’re London based on 16:31 - Dec 19 with 3560 viewsJ2BLUE

Absolutely livid. My mum is away for a 3 night break in a tier 2 area from 27th. I was hoping it would be cancelled. Sounds mean but ffs we're playing with fire.

I was really hoping they would bump everyone up a tier.

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If you’re London based on 16:35 - Dec 19 with 3518 viewsAce_High1

If you’re London based on 16:31 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE

Absolutely livid. My mum is away for a 3 night break in a tier 2 area from 27th. I was hoping it would be cancelled. Sounds mean but ffs we're playing with fire.

I was really hoping they would bump everyone up a tier.


Still think we missed a trick - from yesterday 2 week lockdown taking us to NYD. Schools closed anyway and most industries close down for most of that period.

2 weeks, like Spain had earlier in the year - you cannot leave home for ANY reason unless medical emergency.

That would stop the spread.
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If you’re London based on 16:36 - Dec 19 with 3507 viewsStokieBlue

If you’re London based on 15:04 - Dec 19 by clive_baker

Sounds sensible, but some people sadly are more vulnerable.


If the new strain really is up to 70% more infectious it's awful. C19 is very contagious anyway, they really need to try and stop the new variant expanding although over the long run that is of course impossible.

What they can do is slow the transmissions to other areas and thus reduce the hospitalisations.

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“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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If you’re London based on 16:41 - Dec 19 with 3461 viewsLeoMuff

They must be seriously spooked by this new variant to be announcing this.

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If you’re London based on 16:45 - Dec 19 with 3419 viewsMr_J

If you’re London based on 16:27 - Dec 19 by Stenvict

I reckon 90% of people have already made plans, and are unlikely to change them.


This. From what I've seen anecdotally people have been fed up for a while and will know that there isn't the manpower to enforce tier 4 rules.
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If you’re London based on 16:48 - Dec 19 with 3375 viewsMonkeyAlan

That's exactly what you shouldn't be doing. This is part of the reasons numbers arnt going down, because people keep bending the rules to suit themselves.
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If you’re London based on 16:51 - Dec 19 with 3358 viewsVic

If you’re London based on 15:49 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue

My brother in Surrey was planning to spend Xmas in Ipswich with my mum (who’s on her own). Guessing that won’t be happening now. Which is the right thing but boy does it suck. Shame on everyone who fell for the lovable clown Boris routine. An incompetent charlatan who should have resigned in shame months ago.


Not sure what else he’s supposed to do! Don’t think it’s really fair to blame or mock him for needing to change th8ngs as things evolve.

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If you’re London based on 16:54 - Dec 19 with 3329 viewsclive_baker

If you’re London based on 16:27 - Dec 19 by Stenvict

I reckon 90% of people have already made plans, and are unlikely to change them.


Really? They’ll be breaking the rules, which I would suggest isn’t advisable.

I’ve significantly changed my plans, as will many people. People need to take some personal responsibility.

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If you’re London based on 16:54 - Dec 19 with 3319 viewslowhouseblue

If you’re London based on 16:41 - Dec 19 by LeoMuff

They must be seriously spooked by this new variant to be announcing this.


if it adds 0.4 to r then there is little prospect of r ever falling below 1 in the areas with this variant. there is therefore the potential for rapid spread which out paces hospital capacity. which has always been the biggest fear in government. so in that sense it does seem scarey.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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If you’re London based on 16:55 - Dec 19 with 3322 viewsTractorWood

If you’re London based on 16:48 - Dec 19 by MonkeyAlan

That's exactly what you shouldn't be doing. This is part of the reasons numbers arnt going down, because people keep bending the rules to suit themselves.


My observation is that most people are just ignoring the endlessly changing rules. Not particularly on purpose but just through fatigue.

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I know that was then, but it could be again..
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If you’re London based on 17:01 - Dec 19 with 3253 viewsfactual_blue

If you’re London based on 16:45 - Dec 19 by Mr_J

This. From what I've seen anecdotally people have been fed up for a while and will know that there isn't the manpower to enforce tier 4 rules.


Neighbours will help enforce the rules.

The Stasi knew this.

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If you’re London based on 17:02 - Dec 19 with 3241 viewsclive_baker

If you’re London based on 16:30 - Dec 19 by lazyblue

Or just stay where you are now instead of making it worse for everybody else!


My post was more in reference to the impending announcement, rather than advice, albeit poorly worded I agree.

Hugely sympathetic to those this impacts, especially those who are more lonely and vulnerable and particularly reliant on Christmas, especially with so much uncertainty so late in the day. It’s felt entirely avoidable. Given the data it’s for the best though.

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If you’re London based on 17:02 - Dec 19 with 3236 viewsStokieBlue

If you’re London based on 16:45 - Dec 19 by Mr_J

This. From what I've seen anecdotally people have been fed up for a while and will know that there isn't the manpower to enforce tier 4 rules.


Did you understand anything that the scientists just said?

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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