| Is anything short of promotion... 09:04 - May 16 with 2966 views | OriginalMarkyP |
... failure next season?
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:26 - May 16 with 1004 views | J2BLUE |
Yes. I think people are going to be surprised at the squad Cook puts together and any current concerns will quickly be forgotten.
I'm led to believe the figure quoted in the Bristol local paper/website for our war chest is not far out at all.
I'm not looking for def info points here. The owners have said there's a substantial budget but i've heard it really is around that level. I don't think people will be concerned at losing the 'heart and soul' of the club in a couple of months. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:33 - May 16 with 971 views | WD19 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:26 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Yes. I think people are going to be surprised at the squad Cook puts together and any current concerns will quickly be forgotten.
I'm led to believe the figure quoted in the Bristol local paper/website for our war chest is not far out at all.
I'm not looking for def info points here. The owners have said there's a substantial budget but i've heard it really is around that level. I don't think people will be concerned at losing the 'heart and soul' of the club in a couple of months. |
I don’t doubt that is the type of money that the investors plan to spend.....but is that what they plan to spend to get out of League One? Or the total size of their investment to get us where they want to get us before hey sell?
They are two very different things. I strongly suspect it is the latter. |  | | |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:38 - May 16 with 969 views | pointofblue |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:33 - May 16 by WD19 |
I don’t doubt that is the type of money that the investors plan to spend.....but is that what they plan to spend to get out of League One? Or the total size of their investment to get us where they want to get us before hey sell?
They are two very different things. I strongly suspect it is the latter. |
I have doubts whether £40m will be enough to get us out of the Championship considering the income and spend at the upper end. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:48 - May 16 with 949 views | WD19 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:38 - May 16 by pointofblue |
I have doubts whether £40m will be enough to get us out of the Championship considering the income and spend at the upper end. |
Likewise, but it could put us within shooting distance. Barnsley, QPR and Luton all finished in he top half this year. What I am saying is that I am not sure our new investors pockets are deep enough to set aside £40m just to get out of league one; that feels more credible as a total war chest for the project. | | | |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 12:18 - May 16 with 914 views | J2BLUE |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:33 - May 16 by WD19 |
I don’t doubt that is the type of money that the investors plan to spend.....but is that what they plan to spend to get out of League One? Or the total size of their investment to get us where they want to get us before hey sell?
They are two very different things. I strongly suspect it is the latter. |
I don't think it's going to be spent in one window but I believe that is the budget to get us competitive in the Championship. We're going to see some very good signings for this level IMO. Solid Championship players. Then the remainder of the investment if/when we go up.
Again, not claiming def info here. I don't think i've posted anything that people couldn't have guessed with common sense but as far as I know that's the plan. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:02 - May 16 with 870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Not for me, but I seem to be in a minority in wanting to give managers plenty of time.
The fact that Cook's rebuilding the entire squad would suggest even more time is needed to me. So I'll be happy with progress, even if that doesn't ultimately end in promotion. For example if we finished 3rd playing much better football, but lost the play off final to a flukey goal, I wouldn't want to be ripping up Cook's contract and starting again. [Post edited 16 May 2021 13:04]
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:05 - May 16 with 871 views | chicoazul |
Yes. Every season we spend in this league is failure. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:05 - May 16 with 872 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 09:32 - May 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
Actually for me I'd be satisfied with a dramatic improvement in the tempo and will to win. Plus the sense the team are having a real go. If we miss out but play like that throughout the season it's OK. I think no promotion by year 2 proper of new era is genuine failure. But you go ahead and make your assumptions its all good.  |
My minimum expectation is promotion because I couldn't hack next summer if this is what you are like when you don't have the expectation of promotion! |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:06 - May 16 with 868 views | chrismakin |
I'm not quite sure
Brett and Mark did say promotion to the championship within 2 years, but how much is that to try and reduce fan expectation rather than they appreciate PC may need a season or 2. Im not sure. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:08 - May 16 with 867 views | J2BLUE |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:02 - May 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not for me, but I seem to be in a minority in wanting to give managers plenty of time.
The fact that Cook's rebuilding the entire squad would suggest even more time is needed to me. So I'll be happy with progress, even if that doesn't ultimately end in promotion. For example if we finished 3rd playing much better football, but lost the play off final to a flukey goal, I wouldn't want to be ripping up Cook's contract and starting again. [Post edited 16 May 2021 13:04]
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Cook himself expects us to demand promotion. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:12 - May 16 with 860 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:08 - May 16 by J2BLUE |
Cook himself expects us to demand promotion. |
Well obviously. That is the aim. However, if we fall slightly short for whatever reason but are seen to be massively improving then I'll be happy enough with that. Rome wasn't built in a day and Cook doesn't even have his preferred bricks yet. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:12 - May 16 with 860 views | Churchman |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:03 - May 16 by patrickswell |
The last two seasons I’ve been targeting automatic promotion, but with the amount of churn we’re going to see this summer, I will set a target of top 6.
The overhaul is needed but it will take time to gel. Probably too much time for us to bag a top 2 spot. |
This is where I am. If we start looking and playing like a team that’s representing a club that’s moving forwards rather than fading then a top 6 finish is a realistic target and that’ll be enough for me this season. But you never know, we may have a group of players that gels quickly and gets a bit of momentum. |  | | |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:19 - May 16 with 846 views | JDB23 |
Any game at this level where we don't get 3 points is a failure, so yes.
There may be circumstances where we fail to go up but I still want Cook to continue, but it would still be a failure. | | | |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:23 - May 16 with 831 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:19 - May 16 by JDB23 |
Any game at this level where we don't get 3 points is a failure, so yes.
There may be circumstances where we fail to go up but I still want Cook to continue, but it would still be a failure. |
Yeah, agree with that caveat. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 14:40 - May 16 with 791 views | BlueBertie |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 09:06 - May 16 by footers |
Have a day off, mate.
Talking tripe for the last week must have tired you out
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 14:57 - May 16 with 773 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:22 - May 16 by StokieBlue |
For the club, not achieving promotion this year is a failure, the same as it was the previous two seasons only bigger. The outlay this close-season is all part of the context whether you like it or not. You can't just separate the realism of the situation from pretty football on the pitch, this isn't Championship Manager.
The fact that you don't think it would be a failure if we play a bit better is more a reflection on what you are happy with than the realism of the situation.
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In a division that will have Wycombe, Rotherham, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland (potentially), Bolton and a load of other tough teams I don't think promotion is actually that easy to achieve.
I think with the influx of cash we've had and if indeed Paul Cook has created a team of lower division allstars from scratch we'll be the first team every one wants to turn over or take points off.
So I'm not playing (or ever have played come to think of it) Championship Manager, I'm the actual one trying to lay a little realism here. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:17 - May 16 with 721 views | Garv |
No. It's a nonsense statement.
You could finish third by a point and then lose a closely contested PO final.
We have no right to win anything. We can expect to get close and make a good go of it. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:37 - May 16 with 706 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 14:57 - May 16 by OriginalMarkyP |
In a division that will have Wycombe, Rotherham, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland (potentially), Bolton and a load of other tough teams I don't think promotion is actually that easy to achieve.
I think with the influx of cash we've had and if indeed Paul Cook has created a team of lower division allstars from scratch we'll be the first team every one wants to turn over or take points off.
So I'm not playing (or ever have played come to think of it) Championship Manager, I'm the actual one trying to lay a little realism here. |
"we'll be the first team every one wants to turn over or take points off."
Is this true? Do the opposition actually try harder against us? I feel it is one of those nonsense statements that are repeated enough times that everyone just accepts it without questioning*
*Not aimed specifically at you, many say similar things [Post edited 16 May 2021 22:37]
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:47 - May 16 with 701 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:37 - May 16 by Kropotkin123 |
"we'll be the first team every one wants to turn over or take points off."
Is this true? Do the opposition actually try harder against us? I feel it is one of those nonsense statements that are repeated enough times that everyone just accepts it without questioning*
*Not aimed specifically at you, many say similar things [Post edited 16 May 2021 22:37]
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I think a lot of teams/managers will use it as motivation for sure... Look at them, spend 40 million quid on players after dumping 3/4of their squad... They think they've got this league sewn up before they've even kicked a ball, Paul Cook with his cuppa tea and all his Scouse mates having it large, blah, blah, blah... Well we'll show that bunch of arrogant blue pricks won't we lads?!
Etc. Especially if the media start banging on about us being shoe-ins for promotion. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:49 - May 16 with 702 views | catch74 |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 13:12 - May 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well obviously. That is the aim. However, if we fall slightly short for whatever reason but are seen to be massively improving then I'll be happy enough with that. Rome wasn't built in a day and Cook doesn't even have his preferred bricks yet. |
I think see the squad at the start of the season and then make a call. As J2 says, all the noise pointing towards a big spend. It makes sense, don’t buy a team to get us out of league 1 and then back to the drawing board. Buy a Championship team, get promoted and add a little to it.
It’s already been seen how ruthless the new ownership are, everything Cook is doing is with their blessing, so Cook knows they’ll be ruthless with him too - he gets max next season (especially as he failed to get any kind of bounce this season - that’ll be his free hit.
The owners will spend and they’ll expect quick results, remains to be seen how much but the names mentioned are starting to make things tingle. |  |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 09:59 - May 17 with 633 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Depends what'is in the business plan, which i suspect allows two years for promotion -, whether crowds are alowed after the 3rd covid wave, who goes up from the play-offs and how good the other teams in the division turn out to be - and if the team actually tries in the myriad of cup competitions - all unknown factors.
Don't hold yur breath just yet would be my advice. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 15:44 - May 17 with 576 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 22:49 - May 16 by catch74 |
I think see the squad at the start of the season and then make a call. As J2 says, all the noise pointing towards a big spend. It makes sense, don’t buy a team to get us out of league 1 and then back to the drawing board. Buy a Championship team, get promoted and add a little to it.
It’s already been seen how ruthless the new ownership are, everything Cook is doing is with their blessing, so Cook knows they’ll be ruthless with him too - he gets max next season (especially as he failed to get any kind of bounce this season - that’ll be his free hit.
The owners will spend and they’ll expect quick results, remains to be seen how much but the names mentioned are starting to make things tingle. |
Indeed. And of course, if the rumoured 'big targets' are true they may well have a big target as a manager too, should Cook fall short. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 15:45 - May 17 with 572 views | chrismakin |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 10:38 - May 16 by pointofblue |
I have doubts whether £40m will be enough to get us out of the Championship considering the income and spend at the upper end. |
I think Berke said they've got their fund levels already sorted for the different leagues we are in or something along those lines. | |
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| Is anything short of promotion... on 15:59 - May 17 with 541 views | Beckets |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 09:59 - May 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
Depends what'is in the business plan, which i suspect allows two years for promotion -, whether crowds are alowed after the 3rd covid wave, who goes up from the play-offs and how good the other teams in the division turn out to be - and if the team actually tries in the myriad of cup competitions - all unknown factors.
Don't hold yur breath just yet would be my advice. |
The play offs are relevant if Lincoln don't win them. |  | | |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 16:13 - May 17 with 521 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Is anything short of promotion... on 09:24 - May 16 by 26_Paz |
I would have thought the objective would be promotion. Play offs at a bare minimum. |
I think this is the sensible answer.
If we are promoted, that is success.
If we fail to make the Play Offs, that is failure.
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