| So Dobra 13:41 - May 29 with 21544 views | chrismakin |
The first to pass the PC who wants to stay test.
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| So Dobra on 12:47 - May 30 with 2275 views | itfcjoe |
| So Dobra on 12:40 - May 30 by pointofblue |
That’s all we need though - trigger pulled and another new man wanting to build his own squad. If they don’t want him they need to get rid now. If they’re keeping him on board they need to give him a proper chance. [Post edited 30 May 2021 12:44]
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I think they realise that realistically there isn’t a better man to get you out of this league, so don’t think it will be any time soon - we’ll hopefully not anyway! |  |
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| So Dobra on 12:48 - May 30 with 2265 views | itfcjoe |
| So Dobra on 12:41 - May 30 by chrismakin |
In hindsight, should have been Gill/Dyer etc until summer
Then new owners bring in their man, 1st season transition season, 2nd season progress
Problem is PC hasn't had the promoising end of season he would have wanted, the daggers are out and what should have been a transitional season under new owers, has turned into a desperate attempt to rise as fast as possible. |
Those 3 wins put us in a position where we had to try and go up this season, without those we’d have been mid table when the trigger was pulled and could have made different decisions | |
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| So Dobra on 12:50 - May 30 with 2246 views | footers |
I don't understand all this bellyaching.
We wanted a new manager. We got him.
We wanted new owners. We got them.
We wanted an overhaul of the squad. Cook's doing that.
At least give the man a transfer window and a run of games in the new season before judging him.
Though this is madness, yet there ismethod in't. Innit.
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| So Dobra on 12:51 - May 30 with 2249 views | chrismakin |
| So Dobra on 12:48 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
Those 3 wins put us in a position where we had to try and go up this season, without those we’d have been mid table when the trigger was pulled and could have made different decisions |
Those 3 wins is what makes PC's reign look worse,
take those out, and it's 16 games v 16 games, 18 points each Lambert/PC
I do wonder though, Had Norwood and Downes been available more for PC if he would have done slightly better, their results/appearences was very high compared to other squad players. | |
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| So Dobra on 12:54 - May 30 with 2240 views | SpruceMoose |
| So Dobra on 08:52 - May 30 by gtsb1966 |
"but I reckon Joe knows".... Reckon isn't fact is it. I "reckon" it's rubbish. |
Don't believe him then! No need to be a fanny about it. |  |
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| So Dobra on 12:56 - May 30 with 2234 views | Churchman |
| So Dobra on 11:01 - May 30 by ParisBlue |
I know the new owners have said that Cook was their choice as well but is there any evidence for that? They're hardly going to say publicly that the new man isn't for them.
Cook is adamant in getting rid of the squad. It's a risky game. If after 10 games we're mid-table the pressure for change will be huge. Appleton seems a better fit |
Is there any evidence it wasn’t? More to the point, if you are going to believe anything, I’d say that it is unlikely Evans would have fired PL and wheeled in PC without the new owners say so and knowledge. The deal was 14 months in the making and replacing the manager a couple of weeks before the takeover blind doesn’t seem credible to me.
As for pressure for change, I’d say that is here now, if this board is anything to go by. 16 games with somebody else’s squad (‘the best in the league’) is more than enough for some. As for one promotion sacked by Blackburn, Appleton, I’d be interested in why you think he is a better fit than somebody who has promotions with rebuilt teams? |  | | |
| So Dobra on 12:57 - May 30 with 2230 views | chrismakin |
| So Dobra on 12:54 - May 30 by SpruceMoose |
Don't believe him then! No need to be a fanny about it. |
I don't think Joe's making it up.. I just personally feel who ever has said it originally is over exaggerating things. But as I say more than happy to apologise in the future if it came out as correct. | |
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| So Dobra on 12:59 - May 30 with 2214 views | SpruceMoose |
| So Dobra on 12:57 - May 30 by chrismakin |
I don't think Joe's making it up.. I just personally feel who ever has said it originally is over exaggerating things. But as I say more than happy to apologise in the future if it came out as correct. |
Like you say, best thing is just to wait and see what happens. | |
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| So Dobra on 13:00 - May 30 with 2211 views | bobbyramsey |
| So Dobra on 12:18 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
I think at some point Cook will be ruthlessly sacked by Ashton and that may be why he is so aggressively doing everything on his terms and so quickly. As fans we just have to hope that is when we are in Chanpionship |
Aren't most managers ruthlessly sacked at some point? Nothing new there.
What's the average life span?
I know a lot of posters have already made their mind up re: Cook, but unless he's very successful pretty quickly I expect your wishes will be granted......... [Post edited 30 May 2021 13:02]
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| So Dobra on 13:05 - May 30 with 2190 views | itfcjoe |
| So Dobra on 13:00 - May 30 by bobbyramsey |
Aren't most managers ruthlessly sacked at some point? Nothing new there.
What's the average life span?
I know a lot of posters have already made their mind up re: Cook, but unless he's very successful pretty quickly I expect your wishes will be granted......... [Post edited 30 May 2021 13:02]
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I mean similar to a Nigel Adkins at Southampton where he has got us up and is doing fine. | |
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| So Dobra on 13:31 - May 30 with 2124 views | BseaBlue |
| So Dobra on 13:05 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
I mean similar to a Nigel Adkins at Southampton where he has got us up and is doing fine. |
Cook himself said he felt one window was probably about as much as a manager gets these days so he knows how important this summer is.
Personally I would like him to have until at least Christmas to let the new side gel. We saw what Blackpool achieved with a second half of a season run which could be what we need to do to give the new side time to settle in.
I fear you will be right though and a bad start might mean he is gone before November. |  | | |
| So Dobra on 13:35 - May 30 with 2110 views | itfcjoe |
| So Dobra on 13:31 - May 30 by BseaBlue |
Cook himself said he felt one window was probably about as much as a manager gets these days so he knows how important this summer is.
Personally I would like him to have until at least Christmas to let the new side gel. We saw what Blackpool achieved with a second half of a season run which could be what we need to do to give the new side time to settle in.
I fear you will be right though and a bad start might mean he is gone before November. |
If he doesn’t get the majority of this season then it’s because he isn’t the new owners guy and is always going to be behind the 8 ball, I’d hate to see a another season wasted at this level | |
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| So Dobra on 13:45 - May 30 with 2079 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Dobra on 11:18 - May 30 by pointofblue |
The major concerns are:
1) He took a squad on from Paul Lambert, an appalling manager, and somehow managed to make us worse
2) He happily made sure the finger was pointed squarely the playing squad to absolve himself of any blame
We don’t need anyone in the know or with contacts to tell us that as it happened in front of our very eyes. He’ll have the rest of the summer but I can’t believe, for starters, how many contract extensions were taken up considering how he openly felt about the players. Nor can I believe that Edwards is getting offered a contract whilst the likes of Woolfenden, Dozzell and Dobra are seemingly being binned.
This isn’t flouncing; he’ll get the summer and we’ll see where we are in August. But this has a feel of Lambert mark II about it all at the moment though he didn’t have the opportunity to completely rebuild. Let’s hope that does work in our favour. |
Cook didn't "make us worse." |  |
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| So Dobra on 13:57 - May 30 with 2042 views | J2BLUE |
| So Dobra on 12:41 - May 30 by chrismakin |
In hindsight, should have been Gill/Dyer etc until summer
Then new owners bring in their man, 1st season transition season, 2nd season progress
Problem is PC hasn't had the promoising end of season he would have wanted, the daggers are out and what should have been a transitional season under new owers, has turned into a desperate attempt to rise as fast as possible. |
Hindsight is the key word there. If Evans had have appointed a caretaker with Cook and the Cowleys on the market the fans would have had a proper meltdown. IMO it was never a realistic option and people can't re-write history now (that's not aimed at you as you specifically mentioned hindsight). |  |
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| So Dobra on 14:03 - May 30 with 2022 views | J2BLUE |
Even as a Cook fan it's hard to argue that he shouldn't have done better really. Even if the players weren't as good as we thought there was enough there to have a better go than we did IMO.
Please don't think this is a black and white issue and assume i'm anti-Cook. Not remotely true, but facts are facts.
As for Joe's info and the disbelievers, maybe both are right. There could well have been an incident where tempers flared. Who know what could have happened since? If Dobra went back, said sorry and convinced Cook it won't happen again he might have every chance of staying.
Obviously i'm speculating and Dobra might be entirely innocent. I have no info at all. | |
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| So Dobra on 14:58 - May 30 with 1959 views | gordon |
| So Dobra on 13:57 - May 30 by J2BLUE |
Hindsight is the key word there. If Evans had have appointed a caretaker with Cook and the Cowleys on the market the fans would have had a proper meltdown. IMO it was never a realistic option and people can't re-write history now (that's not aimed at you as you specifically mentioned hindsight). |
Think if he'd appointed Dyer as caretaker until the end of the season people would've been positive about that (it's what I wanted at the time). |  | | |
| So Dobra on 15:31 - May 30 with 1903 views | ITFC_96 |
| So Dobra on 14:03 - May 30 by J2BLUE |
Even as a Cook fan it's hard to argue that he shouldn't have done better really. Even if the players weren't as good as we thought there was enough there to have a better go than we did IMO.
Please don't think this is a black and white issue and assume i'm anti-Cook. Not remotely true, but facts are facts.
As for Joe's info and the disbelievers, maybe both are right. There could well have been an incident where tempers flared. Who know what could have happened since? If Dobra went back, said sorry and convinced Cook it won't happen again he might have every chance of staying.
Obviously i'm speculating and Dobra might be entirely innocent. I have no info at all. |
This is even worse speculation than the original post... at the moment all signs point to Cook dumping the team. For what it's worth, it is literally only Cook who has been calling the players crap and deflecting blame from himself. |  | | |
| So Dobra on 15:40 - May 30 with 1886 views | chrismakin |
| So Dobra on 15:31 - May 30 by ITFC_96 |
This is even worse speculation than the original post... at the moment all signs point to Cook dumping the team. For what it's worth, it is literally only Cook who has been calling the players crap and deflecting blame from himself. |
You keep saying deflecting blame when he clearly included himself on more than a handful of occasions.
The signs at the moment is the manager is looking at building a team he believes will take us up. And this will cause upset to some fans as it will include players well fond of.
The minimal info given out at this time by the local press and its sources is that players have been told they are free to leave if they wish and clubs meet certain valuations.
Anything more than that at this stage are rumours.
And as J2 even mentioned. Plenty of talks with certain players could well have happened since the original ones a couple of weeks ago. | |
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| So Dobra on 15:42 - May 30 with 1875 views | chrismakin |
| So Dobra on 14:03 - May 30 by J2BLUE |
Even as a Cook fan it's hard to argue that he shouldn't have done better really. Even if the players weren't as good as we thought there was enough there to have a better go than we did IMO.
Please don't think this is a black and white issue and assume i'm anti-Cook. Not remotely true, but facts are facts.
As for Joe's info and the disbelievers, maybe both are right. There could well have been an incident where tempers flared. Who know what could have happened since? If Dobra went back, said sorry and convinced Cook it won't happen again he might have every chance of staying.
Obviously i'm speculating and Dobra might be entirely innocent. I have no info at all. |
I think what he means is PC didnt make us worse he just didnt make us better. Which is what everyone myself included would have wanted. | |
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| So Dobra on 15:43 - May 30 with 1871 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| So Dobra on 09:36 - May 30 by Plums |
I’ve just looked back at one of the threads when we were in the market for a new manager and I’d posted this...
I’ve seen a couple of clips of Cook in the Man City documentary recently and it didn’t sit well with me. Ranting and raving at officials, he looked anything but a calm head. Perhaps it was just a couple of off days and the pressure of playing City on big occasions. |
Manager in reminstration with officials shocker is not exactly headline grabbing news is it. [Post edited 30 May 2021 15:47]
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| So Dobra on 16:11 - May 30 with 1820 views | Metal_Hacker |
| So Dobra on 12:50 - May 30 by footers |
I don't understand all this bellyaching.
We wanted a new manager. We got him.
We wanted new owners. We got them.
We wanted an overhaul of the squad. Cook's doing that.
At least give the man a transfer window and a run of games in the new season before judging him.
Though this is madness, yet there ismethod in't. Innit.
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It’s all starting to boil my pi55
Season hasn’t finished yet ( well another 45 mins it has ) |  |
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| So Dobra on 16:17 - May 30 with 1807 views | J2BLUE |
| So Dobra on 15:31 - May 30 by ITFC_96 |
This is even worse speculation than the original post... at the moment all signs point to Cook dumping the team. For what it's worth, it is literally only Cook who has been calling the players crap and deflecting blame from himself. |
It's a forum. Get over it. If I had posted speculation as def info you'd have a point but I was just posting a possible scenario which would make sense of the situation as I clearly posted. | |
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| So Dobra on 16:18 - May 30 with 1795 views | footers |
| So Dobra on 16:11 - May 30 by Metal_Hacker |
It’s all starting to boil my pi55
Season hasn’t finished yet ( well another 45 mins it has ) |
Some people just have too much time on their hands. If they want to fill that time by agonising over every little thing, every social media rumour or just a hypothetical they've invented to get het up about, that's their perogative - but it is extremely tedious.
Besides, nothing anyone says on here will change a damn thing. So my advice is to sit back and chillax like David Cameron. Que sera sera. | |
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| So Dobra on 16:24 - May 30 with 1790 views | chrismakin |
| So Dobra on 16:18 - May 30 by footers |
Some people just have too much time on their hands. If they want to fill that time by agonising over every little thing, every social media rumour or just a hypothetical they've invented to get het up about, that's their perogative - but it is extremely tedious.
Besides, nothing anyone says on here will change a damn thing. So my advice is to sit back and chillax like David Cameron. Que sera sera. |
I'm not sure what some people think a forum is for.
You see the words agonising. Getting worked up.. getting upset about.... because some people like to have regular discussions about itfc related content.
Just because you might not want to.. doesnt mean others cant and being honest the owners of the site would rather we have these discussions as otherwise you may aswell close the forum until August. [Post edited 30 May 2021 16:27]
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| So Dobra on 16:27 - May 30 with 1771 views | footers |
| So Dobra on 16:24 - May 30 by chrismakin |
I'm not sure what some people think a forum is for.
You see the words agonising. Getting worked up.. getting upset about.... because some people like to have regular discussions about itfc related content.
Just because you might not want to.. doesnt mean others cant and being honest the owners of the site would rather we have these discussions as otherwise you may aswell close the forum until August. [Post edited 30 May 2021 16:27]
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You seem to have skipped over "that's their perogative". Do what you want, I'm not telling you not to. But tbh I've got better things to do over summer than trawl Twitter for every ITFC rumour and discuss it to death.
Oh, and will you stop with this 'using the forum for its purpose' - yes, we all know; in fact, most of us have been here far longer than you have. Although some days it really doesn't seem like it. [Post edited 30 May 2021 16:28]
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