| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now 11:07 - Dec 21 with 5932 views | StokieBlue |
Due to staff absences from covid, mostly likely Omicron one would guess.
- 100 ambulances out of commission in London
- 40 out of 142 fire engines out of commission in London
- Nearly 5000 NHS staff absent in London
- 100 Scot rail trains cancelled
- LNER cancelling 16 mainline services
Going to be hard for some people to get home for Christmas on public transport at this rate. Also getting a bit dangerous if emergency services are losing large portions of their workforce.
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:12 - Dec 21 with 2102 views | GavTWTD |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 12:53 - Dec 21 by BlueBadger |
So, did you remove my thread because I'd credited Phil for it? [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 12:58]
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No, I removed it because talking about a banned user is one of the things that annoys me. No point in banning someone or removing a thread if a new thread starts up in its place. I'd rather they were forgotten about like it didn't happen. It only makes them want to create a new profile for right of reply. Anyway, as you were. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:13 - Dec 21 with 2088 views | bluelagos |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 12:32 - Dec 21 by TractorWood |
Well, they didn't invent the seatbelt until they invented the car. Point being you can't predict the future. Closing down our economy and infrastructure has dire consequences for a multitude of reasons. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 12:34]
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You can predict the future - that's exactly what you can do in many aspects.
In the next week there will be some car crashes, some people will die. If we don't have seat belts, enforced by law, more people will die in those crashes.
I can't predict how many crashes, but there will be crashes. To absolve yourself of making a decision because you don't have certainty in the future is a complete cop out imho.
In all probability you won't have a crash and putting on a seatbelt will make no difference to your safety. But you'll still wear one won't you.
Uncertainty doesn't mean you should avoid a decision. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:14 - Dec 21 with 2086 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:09 - Dec 21 by TractorWood |
I don't disagree with the conclusion holistically. I just am hesitant to say a full, penal lockdown is irrefutably required yet. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say that.
We've made a massive effort to booster people on top of a massive vaccination campaign. Cases are worryingly high but it could be that this is nature of life now and the science behind large scale immunisation is robust enough to shelter us from the previous waves where we were materially unvaccinated. |
And yet the science and the evidence (as per the title of this thread) is contrary to your take on it. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:20 - Dec 21 with 2076 views | NthQldITFC |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 11:50 - Dec 21 by BlueBadger |
As far back as LAST year, MD in Private Eye pointed out that countries that controlled spread better were able to enjoy more earlier and more prolonged times of 'opening' and note that it wasn't a choice between 'control spread' and 'protect the economy' but that one often followed the other. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 22:48]
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Binaryitis is another insidious disease, which infects the intellect or lack thereof. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:25 - Dec 21 with 2052 views | SitfcB |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:12 - Dec 21 by GavTWTD |
No, I removed it because talking about a banned user is one of the things that annoys me. No point in banning someone or removing a thread if a new thread starts up in its place. I'd rather they were forgotten about like it didn't happen. It only makes them want to create a new profile for right of reply. Anyway, as you were. |
Can we have bluefish back please? |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:27 - Dec 21 with 2038 views | J2BLUE |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:25 - Dec 21 by SitfcB |
Can we have bluefish back please? |
Please god no. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:40 - Dec 21 with 2002 views | Durovigutum |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:13 - Dec 21 by bluelagos |
You can predict the future - that's exactly what you can do in many aspects.
In the next week there will be some car crashes, some people will die. If we don't have seat belts, enforced by law, more people will die in those crashes.
I can't predict how many crashes, but there will be crashes. To absolve yourself of making a decision because you don't have certainty in the future is a complete cop out imho.
In all probability you won't have a crash and putting on a seatbelt will make no difference to your safety. But you'll still wear one won't you.
Uncertainty doesn't mean you should avoid a decision. |
Problem is, putting on a seatbelt "costs" nothing, locking down the country costs both money and wellbeing.
Yet there are people who refuse to wear a seatbelt. I wonder if they refuse to wear a mask?
It's not an easy situation, and there is no one correct answer, but the general hopelessness of the government has reduced the levers it could pull to improve the situation, almost entirely due to political dogma and wrong headed rhetoric. |  | | |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:42 - Dec 21 with 1994 views | J2BLUE |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:40 - Dec 21 by Durovigutum |
Problem is, putting on a seatbelt "costs" nothing, locking down the country costs both money and wellbeing.
Yet there are people who refuse to wear a seatbelt. I wonder if they refuse to wear a mask?
It's not an easy situation, and there is no one correct answer, but the general hopelessness of the government has reduced the levers it could pull to improve the situation, almost entirely due to political dogma and wrong headed rhetoric. |
Unless medically exempt there is a clear right answer. | |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:46 - Dec 21 with 1985 views | Plums |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 11:17 - Dec 21 by monytowbray |
This government will always prioritise the economy and will never learn. And they are inept at the basics of their job roles to boot.
Same old from day one. |
They will always prioritise their own party before anything else. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:57 - Dec 21 with 1976 views | blueblueburleymcgrew |
My missus works in the St Thomas & Guys hospital trust, they have just been told that they expect nearly a quarter of staff to be off by next week.
They are shutting down a lot of routine stuff but are saying they aren’t (currently) expecting to be overwhelmed with COVID patients this is purely down to staff sickness, is there a silver lining in that?? |  | | |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:01 - Dec 21 with 1924 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:42 - Dec 21 by J2BLUE |
Unless medically exempt there is a clear right answer. |
Think his last paragraph was in relation to government restrictions, not wearing a mask |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:08 - Dec 21 with 1901 views | eireblue |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:40 - Dec 21 by Durovigutum |
Problem is, putting on a seatbelt "costs" nothing, locking down the country costs both money and wellbeing.
Yet there are people who refuse to wear a seatbelt. I wonder if they refuse to wear a mask?
It's not an easy situation, and there is no one correct answer, but the general hopelessness of the government has reduced the levers it could pull to improve the situation, almost entirely due to political dogma and wrong headed rhetoric. |
There will be an optimal approach. Depending on the outcome desired.
But it would require this “government” to approach it that way, rather than segregate issues into 2 positions to help maintain a voter base. |  | | |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:16 - Dec 21 with 1876 views | factual_blue |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 12:52 - Dec 21 by GavTWTD |
I seem to be incredibly intolerant atm, but I've removed dribbler2 from the forum and this thread. No need to talk about him and the derailment of this thread. Nothing more needs to be said on him please. |
The recent bad news about hobnobs has hit you hard, hasn't it? |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:32 - Dec 21 with 1838 views | BlueBadger |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:25 - Dec 21 by SitfcB |
Can we have bluefish back please? |
FREE THE SPRUCE ONE! |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:36 - Dec 21 with 1824 views | BlueBadger |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:57 - Dec 21 by blueblueburleymcgrew |
My missus works in the St Thomas & Guys hospital trust, they have just been told that they expect nearly a quarter of staff to be off by next week.
They are shutting down a lot of routine stuff but are saying they aren’t (currently) expecting to be overwhelmed with COVID patients this is purely down to staff sickness, is there a silver lining in that?? |
It's a bit disenguous of the trust to say they're not 'overwhelmed'. They'll have staff and capacity to look after inpatients and acute stuff, but a lot of outpatient and elective stuff is being sacrificed to do so.
Plus, a lot of those redeployed staff may have not had much acute experience in recent years. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 14:37]
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:55 - Dec 21 with 1798 views | blueblueburleymcgrew |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:36 - Dec 21 by BlueBadger |
It's a bit disenguous of the trust to say they're not 'overwhelmed'. They'll have staff and capacity to look after inpatients and acute stuff, but a lot of outpatient and elective stuff is being sacrificed to do so.
Plus, a lot of those redeployed staff may have not had much acute experience in recent years. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 14:37]
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They are not redeploying staff to cover COVID wards and significant COVID admissions as they did in lockdown 1 and 2, at least not yet, my missus was front line on both occasions but she hasn’t been redeployed so far this time.
So fair to say COVID (and I guess other seasonal sickness) is depleting staff numbers but redeployment to cover this scenario isn’t being contemplated just yet at least not in this Trust. | | | |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 15:10 - Dec 21 with 1769 views | BlueBadger |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:55 - Dec 21 by blueblueburleymcgrew |
They are not redeploying staff to cover COVID wards and significant COVID admissions as they did in lockdown 1 and 2, at least not yet, my missus was front line on both occasions but she hasn’t been redeployed so far this time.
So fair to say COVID (and I guess other seasonal sickness) is depleting staff numbers but redeployment to cover this scenario isn’t being contemplated just yet at least not in this Trust. |
Ah right, gotcha. | |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 16:01 - Dec 21 with 1713 views | TractorWood |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 13:14 - Dec 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And yet the science and the evidence (as per the title of this thread) is contrary to your take on it. |
The title of this thread is about infrastructure?
Per this https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare the daily hospital admissions now don't appear significantly different to the last 3 months. What science and evidence are you referencing?
There are around 7,500 people in hospital with covid today and there were over 9,000 at the start of November. Again, what am I missing that so irrefutably points to exactly now as being the definitively right time to lock down?
Again I don't think locking down is a bad idea in the current circumstances but there are enormous ramifications of doing so. I just don't see concrete evidence to lockdown exactly now as oppose to any other point reasonably recently. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 16:04]
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 16:15 - Dec 21 with 1672 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 16:01 - Dec 21 by TractorWood |
The title of this thread is about infrastructure?
Per this https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare the daily hospital admissions now don't appear significantly different to the last 3 months. What science and evidence are you referencing?
There are around 7,500 people in hospital with covid today and there were over 9,000 at the start of November. Again, what am I missing that so irrefutably points to exactly now as being the definitively right time to lock down?
Again I don't think locking down is a bad idea in the current circumstances but there are enormous ramifications of doing so. I just don't see concrete evidence to lockdown exactly now as oppose to any other point reasonably recently. [Post edited 21 Dec 2021 16:04]
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Without doing something about the virus, we are unable to have fully functioning essential services. This will lead to more deaths as well as damaging the economy etc. That is what you are missing. | |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 16:21 - Dec 21 with 1647 views | Mullet |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 11:11 - Dec 21 by SaleAway |
There is a takeaway from this of course...
London should be locked down.
If you look at hospitalisations, London is the only region with a spike. When that happened to Manchester, it had special rules.
Again, when it hits London, the whole country gets a threat. How about we throw a ring of steel round the M25, don't let anyone out. |
We had a case in school about 2-3 weeks ago and they were late to let us know so infection was likely a month ago. So assume unless they did weeks ago it was too late and we are now measuring the effects.
The mistreatment of Manchester was purely to get at Burnham and appeal to the ignorant types who think that their Little England is worth more than the whole country when it suits. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 16:39 - Dec 21 with 1591 views | tractordownsouth |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 11:17 - Dec 21 by monytowbray |
This government will always prioritise the economy and will never learn. And they are inept at the basics of their job roles to boot.
Same old from day one. |
It's not even a good way of prioritising the economy either. Pubs and restaurants are taking a massive hit because the government has been advising people not to go, but up until today didn't provide them with any financial compensation. |  |
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| Upvoted by "MonarchOfTheGlen".....? on 16:50 - Dec 21 with 1564 views | Bloots |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 14:32 - Dec 21 by BlueBadger |
FREE THE SPRUCE ONE! |
....that's not particularly subtle. |  |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Upvoted by "MonarchOfTheGlen".....? on 17:10 - Dec 21 with 1522 views | jeera |
| Upvoted by "MonarchOfTheGlen".....? on 16:50 - Dec 21 by Bloots |
....that's not particularly subtle. |
Bit disappointed there's not a stag for the avatar then. |  |
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| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 17:23 - Dec 21 with 1483 views | monytowbray |
| Infrastructure seems to be taking a big hit now on 11:39 - Dec 21 by BLUEBEAT |
During the very first strict lockdown, military vehicles were regularly parked up on sliproads to the M25
That was a very weird time as I remember whipping round the North side of M25 and being the only vehicle on there - felt very 28 Days Later. |
I stand by that first lockdown being very traumatising and anxiety inducing. No one really knew what we were facing with the virus and there was genuine fear, both in terms of the unknown (how long will this be, how will we hold up, will we have jobs, etc) and the known (the government are totally lying, inept, corrupt and don’t care about us). Then throw in an added layer of the b0ll0cks - Qanon, the confusing narratives of totalitarianism, conspiracy, unfounded rumours, etc.
I have found myself exhausted and it feels like we’ll never quite be the same. I find big crowds, hectic places and sensory overload situations harder than ever before. Social situations can be tiring and daunting whereas before I enjoyed going out and would want to stay out. My patience for rudeness and d1ckheads out and about has never been lower either, although partly I think being self-employed for 2 years hasn’t helped - office politics is a great place to practice those skills where you really want to just say F off.
I’ve seen a lot of people battle new MH issues who’ve never faced them, so in a way I’m kinda grateful for my messed up brain pre-COVID.
It seems deep down we’re all wounded and need a collective hug, yet the powers that be divide and conquer more than ever.
Sadly I think in 20-50 years we’ll look back at COVID as the warm up to worse things.
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