| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... 15:37 - Aug 31 with 15079 views | itfcjoe |
....after chasing George Hirst for months, there's been a fair bit of talk about how Macauley Bonne would be a big downgrade, but now seems serious interest judging from both Phil and the EADT guys in a player with 74 minutes of league football under his belt.
Hopefully by 11pm on Thursday all will have fallen into place - but think it would be hugely risky putting all eggs in the Freddie Ladapo basket as the only number 9 with any proven ability to lead the line in such a pivotal season |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:59 - Aug 31 with 1656 views | Darth_Koont |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:50 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Saying "cakes are really pretty rank" is like saying "I'm not really a fan of music". I mean, there are soooo many different types of cake.
Have to say, I'm not much of a fan of icing myself. Bit too sickly. |
Fair enough.
It’s the ones where the flavour is “Sugar!” with only a passing hint of anything else. Which is about 99% of cakes.
I wasn’t a big fan even before I worked in a cake factory for a couple of months. But afterwards ... 🤢 |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:01 - Aug 31 with 1630 views | Garv |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:23 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
If we settle on a 'first choice' of Ladapo, Chaplin, Harness, Morsy, Evans, Burns, Davis that is a lovely looking 7 for me. KVY is OK cover for Burns (maybe even Edwards too), Leigh for Davis, Ball for Evans. Humphries in the mix too. Morsy is nigh on irreplaceable.
It's that forward 3 though, we have replacements but for me they all kind of bring the same without Sone. Edwards, TJJ, Jackson are direct, fast, versatile, and will certainly kill tiring defences. But Aluko is a technican, he's class. We're light on that side of things in his absence IMO. His vision and execution is lovely, might not have the legs but you can already count 4 or 5 excellent opportunities he's created this season in relatively limited appearances. Drops the shoulder, those perfectly weighted threaded through balls are delicious. Such a level head, more experienced, and ideal to come on (or start) and trust to look after the ball. Hopefully TJJ has that in his locker, but he's certainly a little more scatty. Aluko injury is a blow, I'm hoping it's weeks rather than months. |
This will be controversial but for me Aluko's execution is where he needs to improve. He does a lot of the hard work in creating openings and produces a season's worth of stepovers in most games, but so often he overhits the cross or drags his shot wide.
He is class, no argument there. But weren't we all saying our no.10s really need to contribute a good number of goals and assists? Especially true if we're accepting that our no.9 won't get 20-30 goals. Chaplin's doing it, Aluko isn't yet. It's not to say he's not good enough to play the role, of course he is - but I admit to being somewhat deflated recently when I've Aluko come on and Chaplin go off. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:08 - Aug 31 with 1592 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:01 - Aug 31 by Garv |
This will be controversial but for me Aluko's execution is where he needs to improve. He does a lot of the hard work in creating openings and produces a season's worth of stepovers in most games, but so often he overhits the cross or drags his shot wide.
He is class, no argument there. But weren't we all saying our no.10s really need to contribute a good number of goals and assists? Especially true if we're accepting that our no.9 won't get 20-30 goals. Chaplin's doing it, Aluko isn't yet. It's not to say he's not good enough to play the role, of course he is - but I admit to being somewhat deflated recently when I've Aluko come on and Chaplin go off. |
I get where you're coming from, even last night, harness's first goal came from Aluko actually losing the ball, but then the good part of aluko came through where he then gets stuck in to win it back, for the ball to fall to Edwards to cross and we score...
In 1 phase of play he can be unplayable to frustrating, back to unplayable again. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:10 - Aug 31 with 1602 views | itfcjoe |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:52 - Aug 31 by tractordownsouth |
I don't think we need a striker. We only play 1 up front and both Ladapo and TJJ seem capable, plus we have Jackson. If Aluko is out long-term I think we need to be looking at an attacking midfielder instead, otherwise we're all set. |
If that’s the case though why we have spent all summer chasing George Hirst? | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:15 - Aug 31 with 1579 views | jayessess |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:10 - Aug 31 by itfcjoe |
If that’s the case though why we have spent all summer chasing George Hirst? |
Way I see it, we got Greg Leigh done early, so we could pursue an ambitious target with a bit of security if it didn't come off. Signing up Ladapo and extending Jackson's contract possibly somewhat similar?
We knew Hirst was a stretch, but felt like we were covered if it didn't come off. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:16 - Aug 31 with 1571 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:30 - Aug 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes, it's terrible we haven't replaced, erm Norwood |
Considering he averaged a goal every other start, I would say yes. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:19 - Aug 31 with 1542 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:16 - Aug 31 by ITFC_Forever |
Considering he averaged a goal every other start, I would say yes. |
joint top, unbeaten ipswich with Harness who's on 5 goals in 7 games. i'd say no. | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:26 - Aug 31 with 1544 views | ibbleobble |
Completely right. A lot on here seem to be getting carried away with the good start forgetting the season is very long and the Jan window a lottery. Rarely do sides get out of this league without a 30-goal striker and for all the clamour about goals from all over the pitch, they will inevitably get fewer and far between as injuries, form and suspensions become factors. We need one more and not a prospect.
It’d be stupid not signing Bonne and bewildering if no-one of equal or better stature is signed. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:10]
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:31 - Aug 31 with 1521 views | Darth_Koont |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:26 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
Completely right. A lot on here seem to be getting carried away with the good start forgetting the season is very long and the Jan window a lottery. Rarely do sides get out of this league without a 30-goal striker and for all the clamour about goals from all over the pitch, they will inevitably get fewer and far between as injuries, form and suspensions become factors. We need one more and not a prospect.
It’d be stupid not signing Bonne and bewildering if no-one of equal or better stature is signed. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:10]
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Most sides don’t score goals all over the team like we are expressly set up to do.
If we need a “30-goal striker” it will be because McKenna has failed and a new manager has come in who wants the ball “chucked into the mixer”. | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:35 - Aug 31 with 1515 views | jayessess |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:26 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
Completely right. A lot on here seem to be getting carried away with the good start forgetting the season is very long and the Jan window a lottery. Rarely do sides get out of this league without a 30-goal striker and for all the clamour about goals from all over the pitch, they will inevitably get fewer and far between as injuries, form and suspensions become factors. We need one more and not a prospect.
It’d be stupid not signing Bonne and bewildering if no-one of equal or better stature is signed. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:10]
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66 teams have been promoted from League One in the 21st Century, only 3 of them had a 30-goal striker. | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:39 - Aug 31 with 1470 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:26 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
Completely right. A lot on here seem to be getting carried away with the good start forgetting the season is very long and the Jan window a lottery. Rarely do sides get out of this league without a 30-goal striker and for all the clamour about goals from all over the pitch, they will inevitably get fewer and far between as injuries, form and suspensions become factors. We need one more and not a prospect.
It’d be stupid not signing Bonne and bewildering if no-one of equal or better stature is signed. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:10]
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Rotherham got promoted, their star striker got 19 and their second star striker signed for us
Wigan Keane got 26 but lang got 16
We haven't even started september yet....... | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:05 - Aug 31 with 1419 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:15 - Aug 31 by jayessess |
Way I see it, we got Greg Leigh done early, so we could pursue an ambitious target with a bit of security if it didn't come off. Signing up Ladapo and extending Jackson's contract possibly somewhat similar?
We knew Hirst was a stretch, but felt like we were covered if it didn't come off. |
We've apparently been after/kicking tyres on a few in the last couple of weeks though, not just Hirst. I even heard Will Keane mentioned. We definitely want another decent, proven option. It feels to me like Bonne is our 11th hour option. I'll be amazed if we end tomorrow without a signing or just a kid from Sheff Utd. | | | |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:09 - Aug 31 with 1393 views | ibbleobble |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:39 - Aug 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Rotherham got promoted, their star striker got 19 and their second star striker signed for us
Wigan Keane got 26 but lang got 16
We haven't even started september yet....... |
Typo - it was supposed to say 20 goal striker! | | | |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:11 - Aug 31 with 1380 views | ibbleobble |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:35 - Aug 31 by jayessess |
66 teams have been promoted from League One in the 21st Century, only 3 of them had a 30-goal striker. |
It was a typo. And how many without a 20-goal striker? They’re in the minority for sure. Mad this is even a debate. | | | |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:13 - Aug 31 with 1354 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:09 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
Typo - it was supposed to say 20 goal striker! |
Ah.
Well Smith scored less than 20 goals.
Harness only needs 17 more to hit your target too. | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:15 - Aug 31 with 1358 views | RegencyBlue |
Leaving aside his current form, what happens if Ladapo gets a long term injury?
What’s going on is anyones guess but it doesn’t look good from the outside. We have got ourselves into a position where, unless Ashton pulls off an obvious master stroke in the next day and a bit, anyone coming in looks like a second/third/fourth choice.
If we really are down to bringing in a youngster who has played five games off the bench and not scored then something has gone seriously wrong! |  | | |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:17 - Aug 31 with 1327 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:11 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
It was a typo. And how many without a 20-goal striker? They’re in the minority for sure. Mad this is even a debate. |
How many sides promoted hadn't played with 2 uptop and didn't play your typical league 1 way............. | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:28 - Aug 31 with 1299 views | jayessess |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:11 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
It was a typo. And how many without a 20-goal striker? They’re in the minority for sure. Mad this is even a debate. |
Rotherham last season, Hull the season before, Wycombe, Rotherham and Coventry had no-one on course to do it in the Covid season, Barnsley in 2018-19, Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham in 2017-18, Millwall and Bolton in 2016-17
In the past 5 completed seasons, 8 of the 15 clubs that were promoted didn't have a 20-goal striker. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:30]
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:31 - Aug 31 with 1276 views | tractordownsouth |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 17:10 - Aug 31 by itfcjoe |
If that’s the case though why we have spent all summer chasing George Hirst? |
I wonder if TJJ was brought in primarily as a Number 10? Admittedly it's a small sample size but his performance at Shrewsbury suggests he's capable of leading the line. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:36 - Aug 31 with 1247 views | ibbleobble |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:17 - Aug 31 by FrimleyBlue |
How many sides promoted hadn't played with 2 uptop and didn't play your typical league 1 way............. |
You’re clutching at straws fella. In the last ten years Burton and Bolton have achieved a top 2 finish with the lowest goals for, 57 and 60 respectively. Typically sides achieve, 70 - 90.
If we don’t have 20 goal striker, that’s a lot of goals to share around Ladapo, Jackson, Chaplin, Harness, Burns, Morsy, Aluko and Evans. Based on last season, Chaplin, Burns, Morsy, Jackson, Aluko and Evans barely managed 30. | | | |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:51 - Aug 31 with 1188 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:36 - Aug 31 by ibbleobble |
You’re clutching at straws fella. In the last ten years Burton and Bolton have achieved a top 2 finish with the lowest goals for, 57 and 60 respectively. Typically sides achieve, 70 - 90.
If we don’t have 20 goal striker, that’s a lot of goals to share around Ladapo, Jackson, Chaplin, Harness, Burns, Morsy, Aluko and Evans. Based on last season, Chaplin, Burns, Morsy, Jackson, Aluko and Evans barely managed 30. |
So what is your point. Teams total goals scored or individual? You've got yourself mixed up.
Why are you basing things on last season? We have players who weren't here last season and now have a left side that can add more chances than we could last season.
The sides who get promoted do Enought to get promoted. There's no simple science to what that is other than get more points than those below.
There is no certainty when signing players that they will have the same season as the one before ( see pigott) | |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:54 - Aug 31 with 1178 views | NthQldITFC |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 15:44 - Aug 31 by pointofblue |
It looks shambolic, but was very similar last year when we seemed to chase Crooks for a long period and then ended up with Carroll instead. Getting another player similar to Ladapo is key so let’s hope we manage it. |
How you can say 'it looks shambolic' is beyond me. Everything about what this club is doing now looks considered and balanced to me. I think it's just nerves and wind amongst fans at the moment, to be honest.
Edit: sorry, just read your later posts and clarification. [Post edited 31 Aug 2022 19:05]
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 18:58 - Aug 31 with 1149 views | Vic |
Sorry Joe, fat fingers hit down arrow!
It would be good to get another #9. Track record of transfers so far, especially since KM came in, seems top notch to me so I’m sure it’s not a question of not trying or being lax as some seem to be suggesting. |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 19:06 - Aug 31 with 1106 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 15:53 - Aug 31 by clive_baker |
Matej Vydra innit.
1 year deal.
Bagsman. |
Christ imagine him in league 1. I honestly think he’d score 30+ |  |
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| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 19:08 - Aug 31 with 1102 views | Vic |
| Have to say a bit concerned with how the end of the window is looking..... on 16:14 - Aug 31 by pointofblue |
Yeah, just clarified I mean the chase for a striker (and Celina) seems shambolic. Other than those two issues, the window has been good. |
I honestly don’t think we chased Celina. From what was made known to us the offer was made and left on the table, - he chose not to accept it. To me that’s not really chasing. | |
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