| Ball in play - attendance scam 12:19 - Jan 4 with 5946 views | FrimleyBlue |
Now. This is an open question to those that attend football.
But do you as attendees feel a bit scammed out of some of the money you've spent when so much of the game is lost with ball out of play.
I read earlier that apparently Arsenal v Newcastle was something Like 46 minutes of ball in play.
As an attendee to that game.. is it right that you've paid out what you have to watch that....
It's an open question for all to discuss. I'll leave out of it from here as Its not really right for me to have a say when I don't go... |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:20 - Jan 4 with 3920 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Do we know how the figures compare to say 30 years ago?
Fans know what they are in for when they pay their money. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:21 - Jan 4 with 3882 views | homer_123 |
No, the thought of the clock stopping every time the ball goes out is about as good as introducing VAR. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:21 - Jan 4 with 3867 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
No. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:23 - Jan 4 with 3828 views | clive_baker |
Wouldn't say I feel scammed from a financial perspective but I find it frustrating that the spectacle is compromised so much by sh1thouse tactics. It's endemic in the game and I do think more needs to be done. Teams 'scheduling' injury breaks is very much becoming the norm, keepers wasting countless time getting the ball back into play etc. It's not as straight forward as minutes in play, its just so easy to kill any momentum sides have by someone going down for a few minutes. It can be added back in injury time but it doesn't solve the problem of breaking the flow of the game. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:24 - Jan 4 with 3788 views | Guthrum |
The boundaries of the pitch are part of the game, a last-ditch clearance into Row Z can be a glorious thing. Generally the ball is only out of play for very short periods at a time, just lots of them.
It does, however, annoy me that throw-ins are often taken so slowly. Especially when some urgency is required or attacking momentum is lost. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:25 - Jan 4 with 3753 views | Garv |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:23 - Jan 4 by clive_baker |
Wouldn't say I feel scammed from a financial perspective but I find it frustrating that the spectacle is compromised so much by sh1thouse tactics. It's endemic in the game and I do think more needs to be done. Teams 'scheduling' injury breaks is very much becoming the norm, keepers wasting countless time getting the ball back into play etc. It's not as straight forward as minutes in play, its just so easy to kill any momentum sides have by someone going down for a few minutes. It can be added back in injury time but it doesn't solve the problem of breaking the flow of the game. |
One thing I would crack down on would be keepers falling on the ball when collecting a cross late in the game to relieve pressure. There's absolutely no need for it. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:26 - Jan 4 with 3740 views | wrightsrightglove |
For me, the football is only one part of a number of reasons we attend football as season ticket holders. Meeting up with friends, that sound when the ball hits the net right in front of you, that sicken feeling of hearing the away fans roar when they score, the discussions in the pub after the game, being there, feeling it, living it, that’s what I pay the money for. I’m sure we’d love for the ball to be in play for longer, especially in our league and the way that we play compared to our opposition but I certainly don’t feel scammed, I’d still be going every game even if ifollow was free. |  | | |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:29 - Jan 4 with 3671 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:25 - Jan 4 by Garv |
One thing I would crack down on would be keepers falling on the ball when collecting a cross late in the game to relieve pressure. There's absolutely no need for it. |
I long for the day when a keeper is sent off for time wasting. Needs to happen |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:30 - Jan 4 with 3658 views | Guthrum |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:26 - Jan 4 by wrightsrightglove |
For me, the football is only one part of a number of reasons we attend football as season ticket holders. Meeting up with friends, that sound when the ball hits the net right in front of you, that sicken feeling of hearing the away fans roar when they score, the discussions in the pub after the game, being there, feeling it, living it, that’s what I pay the money for. I’m sure we’d love for the ball to be in play for longer, especially in our league and the way that we play compared to our opposition but I certainly don’t feel scammed, I’d still be going every game even if ifollow was free. |
Same here even as a non-ST holding, mostly away game-going fan. | |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:31 - Jan 4 with 3617 views | SitfcB |
No |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:33 - Jan 4 with 3543 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:23 - Jan 4 by clive_baker |
Wouldn't say I feel scammed from a financial perspective but I find it frustrating that the spectacle is compromised so much by sh1thouse tactics. It's endemic in the game and I do think more needs to be done. Teams 'scheduling' injury breaks is very much becoming the norm, keepers wasting countless time getting the ball back into play etc. It's not as straight forward as minutes in play, its just so easy to kill any momentum sides have by someone going down for a few minutes. It can be added back in injury time but it doesn't solve the problem of breaking the flow of the game. |
Agree it isn’t a scam but it is frustrating.
Unless Injury is a direct result of a foul perhaps they should automatically leave field of play and not be allowed back on until a minute after play resumes, not sure if you can call it cheating but it certainly is stretching the rules to gain an advantage. Perhaps we need a 10 second countdown clock for goal kicks, throw in etc. would need ref to blow whistle or make a signal for countdown to start.
Players always find a way to get round rules. The decision to allow goal kicks from anywhere in six yard box was designed to speed up play. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:33 - Jan 4 with 3542 views | SpruceMoose |
“It's an open question for all to discuss. I'll leave out of it from here as Its not really right for me to have a say when I don't go...”
Being a bit harsh on yourself here FrimleyMakin, if in-person attendees can claim a discount why can you not ask ifollow for a prorated discount? [Post edited 4 Jan 2023 12:35]
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:39 - Jan 4 with 3462 views | PhilTWTD |
Might be interesting to see how many minutes the ball has been in play in some of our matches, it has been something Kieran has commented on a few times. |  | | |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:40 - Jan 4 with 3436 views | SitfcB |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:39 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
Might be interesting to see how many minutes the ball has been in play in some of our matches, it has been something Kieran has commented on a few times. |
They must have the statistics for that? Worth an ask to see if you can get the info? | |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:41 - Jan 4 with 3404 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:40 - Jan 4 by SitfcB |
They must have the statistics for that? Worth an ask to see if you can get the info? |
Assume so, whether they'd be willing to give it out would be another matter. | | | |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:42 - Jan 4 with 3363 views | hype313 |
In the MLS Next Pro they take time wasting on by making players that go down for more than 15 seconds leave the pitch for 3 mins. It's worked really well.
But we won't follow suit as its an American idea. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:44 - Jan 4 with 3313 views | hoppy |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:25 - Jan 4 by Garv |
One thing I would crack down on would be keepers falling on the ball when collecting a cross late in the game to relieve pressure. There's absolutely no need for it. |
Agreed. It was a shame that even Walton has done this a couple of times recently that I've noticed. I don't want us to be the side that does that, as I don't think we need to. I get why, when it's done so often against us, but would rather not head down that road ourselves. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:44 - Jan 4 with 3313 views | SitfcB |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:41 - Jan 4 by PhilTWTD |
Assume so, whether they'd be willing to give it out would be another matter. |
To be fair it’s not one of those stats that can be a secret, one of us could stop and start a stopwatch to measure it. | |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:46 - Jan 4 with 3260 views | hype313 |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:25 - Jan 4 by Garv |
One thing I would crack down on would be keepers falling on the ball when collecting a cross late in the game to relieve pressure. There's absolutely no need for it. |
They brought in the 6 second rule for keepers a few years ago, but like all other ideas, after the first couple of games its completely forgotten. | |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:47 - Jan 4 with 3242 views | jayessess |
Not scammed exactly, but I do think a statutory "ball in play" minimum would improve football as a spectacle.
As it stands, referees add on discretionary amounts of time according to how they interpret different kinds of stoppages. They have lots on their plate, it's not their primary focus and fans don't really understand what does and doesn't constitute a stoppage for the purposes of adding on time. Result - wildly inconsistent patterns of additional time and motivation for sides to time waste.
Easily fixed though:
(a) Have a designated official to time keep (or get the 4th official to do it).
(b) Have a statutory minimum time the ball has to be in play. For most leagues, 60 minutes would be an extension (last season's PL average was 55.07, a decline of 100 seconds ish over the last decade).
(c) You don't have to stop the stadium clock to do this. Just have the time-keeper alert the referee when you've had enough play.
Motivation to time waste gone, inconsistency alleviated. [Post edited 4 Jan 2023 12:53]
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:49 - Jan 4 with 3204 views | itfcjoe |
Yes, not sou much the ball being out per se, but constant fake injuries breaks, timewasting etc is not what I pay to see. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:52 - Jan 4 with 3122 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:44 - Jan 4 by SitfcB |
To be fair it’s not one of those stats that can be a secret, one of us could stop and start a stopwatch to measure it. |
True, but it would almost certainly have come from the club if we were to report it and might look like they were having a pop at particular opposition clubs. | | | |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:57 - Jan 4 with 3016 views | J2BLUE |
I think people lose sight of the point of the game which is to win. It's all very well us whinging about 'sh1thousing' when we currently have a good team and would beat 20+ sides in the division in a game of pure football but do we really expect other teams to just play to our strengths? Some of the tactics like going down injured or time wasting are hugely frustrating but would anyone be bothered if Walton is taking the p1ss at 2-0 up with ten mins to go against Plymouth?
Teams do what they have to do. People weren't bothered when it was Garner down here or Alan Lee bundling himself to the ground.
If by some miracle we got to the FA Cup final against City we would likely go and defend for 90 minutes, look to nick a goal from a moment of magic or a set piece and waste as much time as we could get away with/
It's frustrating but it's football. If we get to the Prem we will see a lot more of this from our own team. |  |
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| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:58 - Jan 4 with 2981 views | MattinLondon |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:49 - Jan 4 by itfcjoe |
Yes, not sou much the ball being out per se, but constant fake injuries breaks, timewasting etc is not what I pay to see. |
Every time a player clutches his head then he has to be off for a minimum of six minutes whilst being assessed. And, as another poster described earlier in this thread, if a player is on the ground then he has to go off and treated off the pitch for a minimum of three mins.
That’ll will eliminate a lot of feigning. |  | | |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:58 - Jan 4 with 2977 views | homer_123 |
| Ball in play - attendance scam on 12:49 - Jan 4 by itfcjoe |
Yes, not sou much the ball being out per se, but constant fake injuries breaks, timewasting etc is not what I pay to see. |
These aren't exactly new phenomena though are they?
Timewasting has been part of football forever and a day.... | |
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