| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood 14:21 - Feb 2 with 12184 views | JackNorthStand |
I don’t think anyone saw that coming. |  | | |  |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:01 - Feb 2 with 3670 views | iamatractorboy |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 15:07 - Feb 2 by Illinoisblue |
He’ll be back playing within a couple of months. He’ll get loaned to a desperate club with no morals; Cardiff or Birmingham the front runners |
I feel even more cyncial: if he's playing well in training, he will be back in the match day squad. (Top level) football has no morals left whatsoever. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:01 - Feb 2 with 3671 views | Ryorry |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 15:59 - Feb 2 by itfcjoe |
They are back together so I'm sure that's more of a driver than previous treatment of witnesses |
Charge of coercive control also dropped according to one newspaper report I saw.
You just hope that key witness's family are keeping an eye out for them. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:30 - Feb 2 with 3613 views | Zx1988 |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:01 - Feb 2 by iamatractorboy |
I feel even more cyncial: if he's playing well in training, he will be back in the match day squad. (Top level) football has no morals left whatsoever. |
Hopefully any of the remaining PL players with strong moral values will remind him of his actions in a studs-up manner next time they're sharing a pitch. | |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:37 - Feb 2 with 3602 views | SheffordBlue |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:01 - Feb 2 by iamatractorboy |
I feel even more cyncial: if he's playing well in training, he will be back in the match day squad. (Top level) football has no morals left whatsoever. |
If he does make it back on the pitch in a United shirt the chants coming from the opposition fans are going to make the Kurt Zouma ones sound like lullabies. | |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:37 - Feb 2 with 3612 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 17:48 - Feb 2 by Simonds92 |
As far as i understand the events, it was decided that she was found to have been in a fit state to consent and the additional evidence highlighted this. I also believe the accuser / victim had previously made an accusation about a professional rugby player which was thrown out straight away. Ultimately, not many people know what happened that night truthfully but i do find it difficult that someone can be vilified for the rest of their life for something they were found not guilty of. That is not a good precedent to set. Like a lot of people I've seen the Greenwood stuff which is horrific and in my opinion he is extremely fortunate that he has no case to answer. |
Evans admitted in court he lied to get the key to the room she was in, didn’t speak to her before, during or after and left via the fire escape. What a catch. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:50 - Feb 2 with 3576 views | RIPbobby |
Tax payers will pay for his loss of earnings. |  | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 20:26 - Feb 2 with 3505 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
I apologise for my simplistic view on these matters, but given how much it takes for CPS to consider making a decision, let alone charge someone, (particularly the historically difficult offences to get charging decisions on) I have to say he’s a very lucky boy this isn’t going to trial.
That said we don’t know the specifics and would not be appropriate to speculate.
As others have said, being discontinued is not the same as being found innocent. The Courts have ruled that there is no reasonable prospect of a conviction. The change leading to that decision will never truly be known |  | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 21:04 - Feb 2 with 3437 views | Mullet |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 17:48 - Feb 2 by Simonds92 |
As far as i understand the events, it was decided that she was found to have been in a fit state to consent and the additional evidence highlighted this. I also believe the accuser / victim had previously made an accusation about a professional rugby player which was thrown out straight away. Ultimately, not many people know what happened that night truthfully but i do find it difficult that someone can be vilified for the rest of their life for something they were found not guilty of. That is not a good precedent to set. Like a lot of people I've seen the Greenwood stuff which is horrific and in my opinion he is extremely fortunate that he has no case to answer. |
It depends if you accept people can be vilified for being a POS rather than specifically for being a criminal.
Evans is very lucky/conniving to have been released and the vilifying and intrusion onto his victim was enough to see him and his immediates have a case to answer in my opinion regardless. But victim blaming and shaming and the manner of it such as her past and the way it was used leaves me far more uncomfortable than worrying I might upset a "bloke" of Evans' ilk. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:21 - Feb 2 with 3324 views | rkc123 |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 20:26 - Feb 2 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I apologise for my simplistic view on these matters, but given how much it takes for CPS to consider making a decision, let alone charge someone, (particularly the historically difficult offences to get charging decisions on) I have to say he’s a very lucky boy this isn’t going to trial.
That said we don’t know the specifics and would not be appropriate to speculate.
As others have said, being discontinued is not the same as being found innocent. The Courts have ruled that there is no reasonable prospect of a conviction. The change leading to that decision will never truly be known |
This is different to other similar cases in that while we don't know the specifics, we do know a fair bit given audio and images were leaked and widely circulated. Even if the content of these leaks were not the worst of the evidence against him (which I believe it was suggested they were not), then I would have thought them enough to prosecute on alone.
Whatever has gone on with this case it just seems on the face of it to further support the idea that if you have enough money you can make these things go away, and will only further give the impression to victims of crimes of this nature that the distress and pain caused by perusing justice in these situations is not worth it. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:27 - Feb 2 with 3295 views | CraigIT |
All very dodgy | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:36 - Feb 2 with 3281 views | pointofblue |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:21 - Feb 2 by rkc123 |
This is different to other similar cases in that while we don't know the specifics, we do know a fair bit given audio and images were leaked and widely circulated. Even if the content of these leaks were not the worst of the evidence against him (which I believe it was suggested they were not), then I would have thought them enough to prosecute on alone.
Whatever has gone on with this case it just seems on the face of it to further support the idea that if you have enough money you can make these things go away, and will only further give the impression to victims of crimes of this nature that the distress and pain caused by perusing justice in these situations is not worth it. |
From what I read, the lady in the audio/video is now with him again. If so, that may be the reason why she is not pursuing charges rather than money. Though I thought there was something in place, legally, where the CPS could still push through with charges when it comes to domestic abuse, even if the victim doesn't want to. | |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:42 - Feb 2 with 3259 views | mylittletown |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 14:31 - Feb 2 by JackNorthStand |
Yeah I think that audio alone will put clubs off going near him despite this being dropped. Well you’d like to think so |
I reckon that they will send him out on loan to an Italian/Spanish/French/German club for at least a season and see how it pans out. |  | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:52 - Feb 2 with 3226 views | tractordownsouth |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 17:48 - Feb 2 by Simonds92 |
As far as i understand the events, it was decided that she was found to have been in a fit state to consent and the additional evidence highlighted this. I also believe the accuser / victim had previously made an accusation about a professional rugby player which was thrown out straight away. Ultimately, not many people know what happened that night truthfully but i do find it difficult that someone can be vilified for the rest of their life for something they were found not guilty of. That is not a good precedent to set. Like a lot of people I've seen the Greenwood stuff which is horrific and in my opinion he is extremely fortunate that he has no case to answer. |
Yeah I think the difference here is the audio being widely available. Legally Greenwood is an innocent man but the stuff in that recording is vile and shows him to be an awful person. So is Evans for cheating on his partner but that’s not illegal and in his rape case he was found not guilty rather than the charges being dropped for another reason. Man Utd will probably keep him suspended then sell him abroad in the summer.
I have no affinity to Man Utd but I certainly wouldn’t want to cheer Greenwood on playing for England, regardless of how talented he is. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 01:28 - Feb 3 with 3106 views | Kievthegreat |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:36 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
From what I read, the lady in the audio/video is now with him again. If so, that may be the reason why she is not pursuing charges rather than money. Though I thought there was something in place, legally, where the CPS could still push through with charges when it comes to domestic abuse, even if the victim doesn't want to. |
CPS can pursue without the victim onside. They can even pursue charges with the victim testifying for the defendant. However CPS will base their decision on whether it has a realistic chance and the loss of the witness presumably makes it unlikely to reach a conviction. |  | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 07:40 - Feb 3 with 2980 views | Herbivore |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:52 - Feb 2 by tractordownsouth |
Yeah I think the difference here is the audio being widely available. Legally Greenwood is an innocent man but the stuff in that recording is vile and shows him to be an awful person. So is Evans for cheating on his partner but that’s not illegal and in his rape case he was found not guilty rather than the charges being dropped for another reason. Man Utd will probably keep him suspended then sell him abroad in the summer.
I have no affinity to Man Utd but I certainly wouldn’t want to cheer Greenwood on playing for England, regardless of how talented he is. |
It wasn't so much that Ched Evans cheated on his girlfriend, it was more that he got a taxi to a hotel where he wasn't staying where his mate had told him he'd got a girl, lied to get a room key, went to the room and started having sex with her after asking his mate whether he could join in, having not exchanged a single word with said girl at any point. He managed to get off in the end by throwing a load of money at it and basically smearing the victim and making her life a misery. He's a scumbag as far as I'm concerned. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 08:31 - Feb 3 with 2901 views | JackNorthStand |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:50 - Feb 2 by RIPbobby |
Tax payers will pay for his loss of earnings. |
I don’t believe that’s the case.
If he was found not guilty at court he would be reimbursed for loss of earnings for the days he missed work for court. He was on bail, it was uniteds ( rightful ) decision to drop him from the squad whilst this is ongoing. He would have still been getting paid. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 08:33 - Feb 3 with 2890 views | chicoazul |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 14:32 - Feb 2 by hype313 |
He's not been found guilty, but not innocent either |
We don’t live in France. You’re innocent until proven guilty in our fine land. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 08:34 - Feb 3 with 2888 views | chicoazul |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 17:17 - Feb 2 by ibbleobble |
‘Allegedly’ back together. If they are, what a pair of deplorable, Ill advised, stupid human beings on every level imaginable. |
Maybe they just love each other. | |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 08:37 - Feb 3 with 2883 views | Herbivore |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 08:33 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
We don’t live in France. You’re innocent until proven guilty in our fine land. |
People really over egg what is meant by what is essentially a legal technicality about the burden of proof. | |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 11:15 - Feb 3 with 2784 views | BOBD |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 18:01 - Feb 2 by iamatractorboy |
I feel even more cyncial: if he's playing well in training, he will be back in the match day squad. (Top level) football has no morals left whatsoever. |
This attitude makes me feel really awkward, as a society we need to be careful.
We have law and due process for a reason.
It is not for football or society to judge a persons guilt. The CPS have said there is new key evidence. None of us know what that is.
The CPS clearly think it is unlikely a jury would find Greenwood guilty.
Therefore, I’m not comfortable with cries from society that he should be banned from
playing etc.
If there is a chance he is innocent then he should be allowed to go about his business unpunished.
If society starts acting as judge and jury it opens up a can of worms that is best kept shut. What if jilted lovers of footballers start blackmailing footballers with false accusations, knowing that just the accusation would end his career so they have no choice but to pay them off?
If an accusation can end a career rather than proof of guilt at court we are entering a very murky world which will go beyond sport. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 11:59 - Feb 3 with 2720 views | rkc123 |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 11:15 - Feb 3 by BOBD |
This attitude makes me feel really awkward, as a society we need to be careful.
We have law and due process for a reason.
It is not for football or society to judge a persons guilt. The CPS have said there is new key evidence. None of us know what that is.
The CPS clearly think it is unlikely a jury would find Greenwood guilty.
Therefore, I’m not comfortable with cries from society that he should be banned from
playing etc.
If there is a chance he is innocent then he should be allowed to go about his business unpunished.
If society starts acting as judge and jury it opens up a can of worms that is best kept shut. What if jilted lovers of footballers start blackmailing footballers with false accusations, knowing that just the accusation would end his career so they have no choice but to pay them off?
If an accusation can end a career rather than proof of guilt at court we are entering a very murky world which will go beyond sport. |
As others have said though, charges being dropped isn't the same as being found to be innocent. I have already said in an earlier reply, but this is different to a lot of cases in that evidence was leaked on social media and seen/heard by thousands of people, in which case you can form your own opinion regardless of whether he is found guilty in court. If I saw my neighbour abuse his wife and reported it, my opinion of him would be shaped by what I saw, not whether or not it went to trial and he was found guilty. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 15:20 - Feb 3 with 2501 views | Radlett_blue |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 22:36 - Feb 2 by pointofblue |
From what I read, the lady in the audio/video is now with him again. If so, that may be the reason why she is not pursuing charges rather than money. Though I thought there was something in place, legally, where the CPS could still push through with charges when it comes to domestic abuse, even if the victim doesn't want to. |
Yes, the daughter of a friend of mine works for the police & a lot of what she does involves cases of domestic abuse. THe strategy now is to try harder to get a prosecution & a conviction, but in cases where the evidence comes down to believing one person's version or the other's it's hard to see the accused not getting off on "reasonable doubt", especially if the victim no longer wants to co-operate.
I reckon Greenwood will resume his football career (and why shouldn't he?) but probably in another country. |  |
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| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 15:43 - Feb 3 with 2450 views | BOBD |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 11:59 - Feb 3 by rkc123 |
As others have said though, charges being dropped isn't the same as being found to be innocent. I have already said in an earlier reply, but this is different to a lot of cases in that evidence was leaked on social media and seen/heard by thousands of people, in which case you can form your own opinion regardless of whether he is found guilty in court. If I saw my neighbour abuse his wife and reported it, my opinion of him would be shaped by what I saw, not whether or not it went to trial and he was found guilty. |
Charges being dropped isn’t the same as being found not guilty.
But if the charges are dropped a person can’t possibly be found not guilty even if he is innocent.
So it doesn’t change it in my opinion. A person is found guilty or they are not.
It can’t be right for society to act as judge and jury and decide who can and who cannot earn a living. | | | |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 15:46 - Feb 3 with 2439 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| CPS drop charges against Mason Greenwood on 14:22 - Feb 2 by textbackup |
Money talks…. |
She doesn't need the money. |  | | |
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