| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 17:44 - Feb 23 with 1746 views | bournemouthblue |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:07 - Feb 23 by ITFC_Forever |
Number 6 is central defence, along with number 5.
And for the avoidance of any doubt:
1 - GK
2 - Right Back
3 - Left Back
4 - Centre Midfield, usually more defensive.
5 - Centre Back (on the left)
6 - Centre Back (on the right)
7 - Right wing / midfield
8 - Centre Midfield, usually more attacking.
9 - Centre Forward, usually the big strong one.
10 - Forward, usually slightly behind the 9.
11 - Left wing / midfield.
Anyone who says otherwise is some kind of nouveau football fan who speaks a load of hipster guff.
*Tongue maybe slightly in cheek. |
On the subject of number 6, didn't Nodge go through a phase of having their striker as number 6?
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 18:00 - Feb 23 with 1700 views | DJR |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:00 - Feb 23 by franz_tyson |
I feel terribly abashed for asking this .... but ... what's a number four? Is it another name for a number six? Or a totally new position... ie base tip of a diamond!? Must admit I've never heard of a number four. |
I think it's another name for a 34, or is it a 44?. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:01]
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 18:02 - Feb 23 with 1695 views | NthQldITFC |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 17:44 - Feb 23 by bournemouthblue |
On the subject of number 6, didn't Nodge go through a phase of having their striker as number 6?
Strange club! |
Their keeper wasn't it? I seem to remember that they even put his squad number on both of his gloves?
Wasn't their only ever England player a goalkeeper? Can't remember his name now. Kind of makes sense, gets his fingers to 20% more shots than your average keeper.
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 18:03 - Feb 23 with 1696 views | gainsboroughblue |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:47 - Feb 23 by ITFC_Forever |
I'm not particularly fussed which way round 5 and 6 are - the teams I played in tended to be 5 on the left and 6 on the right, but they're pretty interchangable.
But 5 and 6 are both definitely centre-backs, whichever way round they are. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 16:48]
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Liverpool always seemed to have their CB's numbered 4 and 6 with a midfielder being 5. Also 7 was striker (Dalglish, Keegan).
I can remember Dozzell playing CM and wearing 5 for a season here. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 18:28 - Feb 23 with 1670 views | Trequartista |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:07 - Feb 23 by ITFC_Forever |
Number 6 is central defence, along with number 5.
And for the avoidance of any doubt:
1 - GK
2 - Right Back
3 - Left Back
4 - Centre Midfield, usually more defensive.
5 - Centre Back (on the left)
6 - Centre Back (on the right)
7 - Right wing / midfield
8 - Centre Midfield, usually more attacking.
9 - Centre Forward, usually the big strong one.
10 - Forward, usually slightly behind the 9.
11 - Left wing / midfield.
Anyone who says otherwise is some kind of nouveau football fan who speaks a load of hipster guff.
*Tongue maybe slightly in cheek. |
Phil Thompson and Ray Kennedy beg to differ over 4 & 5. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:30]
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 19:30 - Feb 23 with 1592 views | Garv |
He reminds me of Bishop in that clip they tweeted. Not the same sort of player you wouldn't think but it sounds like this loan could be the making of him.
Always said I'll be surprised if he ever makes our starting XI but we'll see. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 19:32 - Feb 23 with 1587 views | Swansea_Blue |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 15:39 - Feb 23 by leitrimblue |
I have family in the area who follow Orient and absolutely love him. What do you think his chances are of being part of first team next season? |
I don’t see where he fits now. You can’t see him taking a slot of someone like Chaplin and he’s not going to be pushing Evans. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 20:04 - Feb 23 with 1539 views | BondiBlue |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 19:32 - Feb 23 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see where he fits now. You can’t see him taking a slot of someone like Chaplin and he’s not going to be pushing Evans. |
I feel like i'm still remembering evans in a good light for the way he started the season. He's been a mixture of OK and injured since then. He's also gone missing in important games. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 20:13 - Feb 23 with 1528 views | Garv |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:17 - Feb 23 by itfcjoe |
Hard to know really - seems like it will be a challenge to get there but wonder how Ball, Camara and Evans all recover from their long term injuries. Someone like Evans I think will struggle in the Championship now wrong side of 30 with a number of long term injuries |
To quote a classic; he's not finnish, he's only 28. | |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 21:28 - Feb 23 with 1475 views | catch74 |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 18:02 - Feb 23 by NthQldITFC |
Their keeper wasn't it? I seem to remember that they even put his squad number on both of his gloves?
Wasn't their only ever England player a goalkeeper? Can't remember his name now. Kind of makes sense, gets his fingers to 20% more shots than your average keeper.
Was it Hans something? |
Hans Onma. |  |
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| Joe on 21:29 - Feb 23 with 1484 views | unstableblue |
My mates (yes more mates) are sending me messages raving about El Miz...
Latest being: "I was at Brisbane Road for another El Mizouni masterclass.He's actually got even better in recent weeks. He scored again today and is now dominating games"
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 22:07 - Feb 23 with 1430 views | Nutkins_Return |
Great to read this. It's a been a pretty perfect loan for him.cIf we're still in L1 I think he'll get pre-season to try and fight for a place. Be good to look again even if in the champ.
I can't help but think the best thing for him might be a move in the summer. If we do go up we'll spend. He'll still most likely be 5th-6th choice if we are in L1. | |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 22:25 - Feb 23 with 1405 views | Vic |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:00 - Feb 23 by franz_tyson |
I feel terribly abashed for asking this .... but ... what's a number four? Is it another name for a number six? Or a totally new position... ie base tip of a diamond!? Must admit I've never heard of a number four. |
Number 4 is most accurately called ‘Peter Morris’
And 5 is most definitely on the right and 6 on the left. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 07:40 - Feb 24 with 1216 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 16:16 - Feb 23 by Sharkey |
The Town player I associate most with the number 4 shirt is Brian Talbot. Could you be more 4 than Talbot? |
I trump your Talbot with Diesel Morris | |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 08:12 - Feb 24 with 1180 views | jayessess |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 17:29 - Feb 23 by cbower |
I've always liked Idris and I can't think of a game he played for us when he let anyone down. He could dp no more this season to impress his employers at ITFC but you are right. With everyone fit, the competitions for 2 midfield berths is stiff and that's excluding Harper. I see him as an eventual successor to Morsy but he will not displace Samy in the short term. Big decision for the club and player in the summer. I fear we will sell to the Os and live to regret it. |
If he's currently the best midfielder in League 2 at 22 then there's no way Leyton Orient are going to be able to buy him.
He's a better age and better prospect than Forest Green's Ebou Adams was last season and he had multiple Championship clubs after him (he ended up landing at Cardiff City). |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 10:05 - Feb 24 with 1070 views | RobTheMonk |
If we go up then I guess there's no harm in loaning him to Orient again.
If we stay in the league then I think he may be in with a better chance of being in and around the first team. |  | | |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 10:13 - Feb 24 with 1058 views | hype313 |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 19:32 - Feb 23 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see where he fits now. You can’t see him taking a slot of someone like Chaplin and he’s not going to be pushing Evans. |
Evan's knee sounds very dodgy/temperamental, he can't be relied on for a whole season, so maybe an opportunity there. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:01 - Feb 24 with 997 views | jayessess |
Interesting question about how we view development here.
El Mizouni turned 22 this season and is bossing League 2.
Equivalent season for Sam Morsy he's doing similar, having a break out season for Chesterfield as they win L2. Lee Evans turned 22 in the Summer after a similar season at Bradford, before getting a handful of minutes as a squad player at Wolves in the Championship the following season. Luongo had just dropped down to Swindon in League One at that age. Dom Ball was bouncing around loan spells from Rotherham. Jack Taylor turned 22 after a season split between the National League and League One.
If El Mizouni seems to be tracking a similar development trajectory to those players, with a similar ceiling, are we better off arranging our medium term squad plans around him continuing to develop, rather than continuing to buy/contract these players when they're more experienced/expensive?
Upside is it's financially healthier, makes use of our expensive academy and there's potential he then exceeds those expectations. Downside is there's no guarantees he keeps developing and isn't going to be as ready made right now. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 11:04]
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:15 - Feb 24 with 979 views | itfcjoe |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:01 - Feb 24 by jayessess |
Interesting question about how we view development here.
El Mizouni turned 22 this season and is bossing League 2.
Equivalent season for Sam Morsy he's doing similar, having a break out season for Chesterfield as they win L2. Lee Evans turned 22 in the Summer after a similar season at Bradford, before getting a handful of minutes as a squad player at Wolves in the Championship the following season. Luongo had just dropped down to Swindon in League One at that age. Dom Ball was bouncing around loan spells from Rotherham. Jack Taylor turned 22 after a season split between the National League and League One.
If El Mizouni seems to be tracking a similar development trajectory to those players, with a similar ceiling, are we better off arranging our medium term squad plans around him continuing to develop, rather than continuing to buy/contract these players when they're more experienced/expensive?
Upside is it's financially healthier, makes use of our expensive academy and there's potential he then exceeds those expectations. Downside is there's no guarantees he keeps developing and isn't going to be as ready made right now. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 11:04]
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Brighton have very much a buy to loan model, where they just try and buy people early in their development and mirror the natural path they would take via loan spells as opposed to buying them at the point they become ready for an exorbitant fee.
El Mizouni seems ripe for a spell like this, where we ensure we retain him and develop him via loans until he is ready rather than buy him for £3m when he has been a good low end Champ midfielder |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:24 - Feb 24 with 952 views | jayessess |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:15 - Feb 24 by itfcjoe |
Brighton have very much a buy to loan model, where they just try and buy people early in their development and mirror the natural path they would take via loan spells as opposed to buying them at the point they become ready for an exorbitant fee.
El Mizouni seems ripe for a spell like this, where we ensure we retain him and develop him via loans until he is ready rather than buy him for £3m when he has been a good low end Champ midfielder |
Major difficulty presumably is persuading the player of that when you aren't a Premier League club.
If we do manage to get promoted the FFP cap is going to make it even more vital to get these things right. If you've got outside investment you want to be using your £13m a year permitted losses as judiciously as possible. | |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:37 - Feb 24 with 935 views | cbower |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:01 - Feb 24 by jayessess |
Interesting question about how we view development here.
El Mizouni turned 22 this season and is bossing League 2.
Equivalent season for Sam Morsy he's doing similar, having a break out season for Chesterfield as they win L2. Lee Evans turned 22 in the Summer after a similar season at Bradford, before getting a handful of minutes as a squad player at Wolves in the Championship the following season. Luongo had just dropped down to Swindon in League One at that age. Dom Ball was bouncing around loan spells from Rotherham. Jack Taylor turned 22 after a season split between the National League and League One.
If El Mizouni seems to be tracking a similar development trajectory to those players, with a similar ceiling, are we better off arranging our medium term squad plans around him continuing to develop, rather than continuing to buy/contract these players when they're more experienced/expensive?
Upside is it's financially healthier, makes use of our expensive academy and there's potential he then exceeds those expectations. Downside is there's no guarantees he keeps developing and isn't going to be as ready made right now. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 11:04]
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Excellent post. Puts the situation into context superbly. |  |
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| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:53 - Feb 24 with 924 views | itfcjoe |
| El-Mizouni — the most complete midfielder Leyton Orient have seen for a decade on 11:24 - Feb 24 by jayessess |
Major difficulty presumably is persuading the player of that when you aren't a Premier League club.
If we do manage to get promoted the FFP cap is going to make it even more vital to get these things right. If you've got outside investment you want to be using your £13m a year permitted losses as judiciously as possible. |
I guess you just have to offer a commensurate contract to their ability levels with long term security, the virtuous circle part of it means that if you get it right your loan fees should more than cover the costs of the contract that year so it becomes a way to tick over a bit of profit as well | |
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