| Luongo 13:42 - Apr 19 with 15194 views | TalkingBlues |
I'm sensing that there's quite a few people under the impression that the reason he hasn't signed a permanent deal, is of his own choice. Sorry to break it to you, but that couldn't be further from the truth, the guy had only played 40 something games in 3 seasons prior to joining us and was released by Middlesborough as he couldn't get anywhere near the side, having trained and not been offered any terms at other clubs in the Championship, it would have been mental to offer him anything more than we did. He is getting on now (in football terms) and simply isn't mobile enough for our style of play in the Championship, where the quality and speed/fitness of player is higher than league 1, this is typified by the sort of signings we make under McK. He simply isn't mobile enough to hack it at Championship level any more, certainly not without getting injured frequently and looking miles off the pace. He and Morsy had rings run round them last night by Port Vale in the midfield in that first half, through nothing more than the oppo having faster players.
He's been brilliant for us since he came in, but make no mistake, if Evans/Camara etc were fit, he'd be nowehere near the squad even now in League 1 for us, let alone the starting XI, or match day squad in the Championship. I don't think he'll be offered terms if we get promoted, possibly might get terms if we don't, but we'll be back in for Taylor and A.N. Other for the CM role regardless, so the outlook isn't great for him either way.
That aside, he still has a massive role to play for us in the next 4 games and he is absolutely critical to our midfield currently with all the injuries we have, I hope he finds himself part of a promotion achieving side this season. |  |
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| Luongo on 18:36 - Apr 19 with 1745 views | TalkingBlues |
| Luongo on 18:21 - Apr 19 by Vegtablue |
"nowhere near the squad"
"had rings run round them"
Funny how differently people can see the game 😂
Also Freddie's one prior season in the Championship, when he scored 9 goals for relegation Rotherham, is not just deemed unsuccessful, it translates to "previously been highly unsuccessful in the Championship" 😂 |
I know, right? I mean, some people would see scoring 9 goals in 40 something games and getting relegated in the process as a negative, whaaaaaaat? | |
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| Luongo on 19:02 - Apr 19 with 1708 views | DavoIPB |
Trying to compete with me for worst posts on here. I'm sure I read or heard somewhere he was looking to play championship football due to getting international call ups. Well above Evans as a player. He has been superb since joining.
Also definitely watched a different game to you yesterday. Morsy and lluongo dominated we just had the wrong striker on the pitch for the first hour. |  | | |
| Luongo on 19:05 - Apr 19 with 1698 views | Vegtablue |
| Luongo on 18:36 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
I know, right? I mean, some people would see scoring 9 goals in 40 something games and getting relegated in the process as a negative, whaaaaaaat? |
Some people would understand relegation in the context of football being a team game. And your use of adverbs is consistent, I'll give you that (let's turn the hyperbole up to eleven).
Well for better or worse I can't unsee this thread and the conclusions you've drawn from viewing/reading the same material as me, so henceforth I will leave you to your thoughts TB. | | | |
| Luongo on 20:42 - Apr 19 with 1631 views | Ryorry |
| Luongo on 14:54 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
If we go up, categorically 1000% Luongo will not be starting in midfield for us and probably won't be anywhere near the match day squad, most likely he won't be at the club. |
Literally jawdropping.
Maybe you need time out, including visits to opticians, because from this thread it's plain you're seeing & thinking what literally no-one else in tens of thousands has - which crucially includes a canny, thoroughly professional young manager, numerous coaching staff & club medics, and owners who require the highest of standards.
Never seen such a bizarre critique on this site before - and that's really saying something! |  |
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| Luongo on 20:53 - Apr 19 with 1617 views | J2BLUE |
Absolute b0llocks as usual. |  |
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| Luongo on 21:30 - Apr 19 with 1583 views | waveneyblue |
| Luongo on 20:53 - Apr 19 by J2BLUE |
Absolute b0llocks as usual. |
Don't take drugs kids.
Drugs are bad.
Drugs make you spout sh1te on message boards
(Assume it is Drugs, because its the only explanation I can give for that gibberish from the OP) [Post edited 19 Apr 2023 21:36]
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| Luongo on 22:18 - Apr 19 with 1542 views | Coastalblue |
There's an old saying about when you're in a hole. |  |
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| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 with 1531 views | Nutkins_Return |
This is a terribly conceived and articulated post.
There are some parts that are partially accurate but it's been so badly put across with such ridiculous hyperbole "he'd be nowhere near the squad" etc and suggesting his performances and having shown his fitness levels are there would have no impact on McKenna and club thinking is bizarre.
The ONLY question mark on Luongo signing was his fitness. And he's got a big tick on that front. He's one of the best footballers in our squad and is quite clearly a championship level player. He would be in our matchday squads next season.
Is there a scenario we sign a younger quality player if we go up and don't sign Luongo? Given squad limits etc then yes it is possible. But he's not too old (given younger than Morsy and given his performances there is every chance he has played himself into getting a contract. He's been sensational for us. | |
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| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 with 1529 views | TalkingBlues |
| Luongo on 20:42 - Apr 19 by Ryorry |
Literally jawdropping.
Maybe you need time out, including visits to opticians, because from this thread it's plain you're seeing & thinking what literally no-one else in tens of thousands has - which crucially includes a canny, thoroughly professional young manager, numerous coaching staff & club medics, and owners who require the highest of standards.
Never seen such a bizarre critique on this site before - and that's really saying something! |
People need to take the spectacles off and get back to reality, he’s done a great job for us, replacing a 19 year old kid who was thrown in the deep end due to an injury crisis. There was literally not another senior CM fit and available in the club and he solidified the midfield for us, which is why we signed him as cover in the first place. He’s 30, has a history of injury problems (including at our club) isn’t very mobile and is blowing out of his backside after 60 minutes due to the way we play. He is simply not the future of this club, particularly not in the Championship where his lack of mobility will be further exposed and taken advantage of and he would likely spend most of his time crocked as his body isn’t up to the demands placed on it at that level.
Ask yourself why McK and Ashton continue to actively pursue CM targets with a different set of qualities to Luongo and are in no hurry to offer permanent terms to him, preferring to say that they will discuss it at the end of the season, in the meantime extending the contracts of other players. | |
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| Luongo on 06:48 - Apr 20 with 1442 views | Buhrer |
| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
People need to take the spectacles off and get back to reality, he’s done a great job for us, replacing a 19 year old kid who was thrown in the deep end due to an injury crisis. There was literally not another senior CM fit and available in the club and he solidified the midfield for us, which is why we signed him as cover in the first place. He’s 30, has a history of injury problems (including at our club) isn’t very mobile and is blowing out of his backside after 60 minutes due to the way we play. He is simply not the future of this club, particularly not in the Championship where his lack of mobility will be further exposed and taken advantage of and he would likely spend most of his time crocked as his body isn’t up to the demands placed on it at that level.
Ask yourself why McK and Ashton continue to actively pursue CM targets with a different set of qualities to Luongo and are in no hurry to offer permanent terms to him, preferring to say that they will discuss it at the end of the season, in the meantime extending the contracts of other players. |
Asking why you continue to actively pursue this boll0cks. Perhaps put your spectacles on and get back to reality. Im actually a bit gutted for you that this is your response to Massimos contribution, you are missing out. |  | | |
| Luongo on 08:13 - Apr 20 with 1402 views | TalkingBlues |
| Luongo on 06:48 - Apr 20 by Buhrer |
Asking why you continue to actively pursue this boll0cks. Perhaps put your spectacles on and get back to reality. Im actually a bit gutted for you that this is your response to Massimos contribution, you are missing out. |
I am able to appreciate the great job he is doing for us currently, but at the same time also appreciate his limitations and have a realistic view on his prospects of being an integral part of the squad moving forward (hopefully in the Championship) something that very few on this thread can do it seems, too many people getting carried away, unsurprising in many respects, given it’s the best season we’ve had in a very long time. | |
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| Luongo on 08:23 - Apr 20 with 1393 views | Westcountryblue |
What a strange opening post.
Luongo has pretty much been an 8/10 in each game he's played and has got noticeably fitter the more he has played. At 30 years old, he is in his absolute prime, and alongside Morsy he plays a vitally important role in allowing the rest of the team to be expansive, most notably our 10's who can pretty much play a free role.
Evans has a knee that explodes 2-3 times a season and hasn't clocked over 30 games a season in the past 5 years. With Camara there are significant concerns about whether or not he will be able to return to being the player he once was, with the majority of his game based on his fitness and ability to get up and down the pitch.
Personally, i wouldn't be surprised to see Evans and Camara off this summer, with Morsy, Luongo, El Miz and another midfielder brought in. | | | |
| Luongo on 08:26 - Apr 20 with 1393 views | tractorboy1978 |
I think you've articulated it poorly and you underestimate how good he has been and his qualities, but I half agree that he might well not be here next season if we go up. I'm 50/50 on it. It would be a shame because he's contributed more for me this season than Ball, Camara or even Evans. But all of those are contracted here next season and not really saleable assets. We will obviously bring another player in too - probably Taylor. [Post edited 20 Apr 2023 8:28]
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| Luongo on 08:29 - Apr 20 with 1386 views | blueoxford |
I believe that at half time on Tuesday that we had enjoyed 73% possession, so doesn’t really back up your statement that their midfield ‘ran rings’ around Morsy and Luongo… | | | |
| Luongo on 08:34 - Apr 20 with 1381 views | itfcjoe |
Maybe stick to the General section of the board as not sure Football is for you |  |
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| Luongo on 08:42 - Apr 20 with 1361 views | itfcjoe |
| Luongo on 19:02 - Apr 19 by DavoIPB |
Trying to compete with me for worst posts on here. I'm sure I read or heard somewhere he was looking to play championship football due to getting international call ups. Well above Evans as a player. He has been superb since joining.
Also definitely watched a different game to you yesterday. Morsy and lluongo dominated we just had the wrong striker on the pitch for the first hour. |
He went to Boro to try and make a late dash at Australia's World Cup squad, but was part of Wilder collecting midfielders and not realising that youngster Hayden Hackney was excellent so dropped down the pecking order.
I think there was also an element of post WC, potentially heading back to Australia to play - that's why he signed 6 months with Boro and his contract was up in January.
He is streets ahead of Lee Evans, and for the OP to talk about Luongo lacking mobility and then talk about Evans shows how much rubbish is being spoken. Camara just doesn't look like the right type of player for our system either but we'll see how he gets on when he comes back from injury next season.
Targets may be aimed higher than Luongo in the summer, as think we will still want to bring in Jack Taylor - but he is, by a fair distance, the second best CM in the squad currently with how we are looking to play | |
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| Luongo on 09:04 - Apr 20 with 1324 views | blueislander |
| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
People need to take the spectacles off and get back to reality, he’s done a great job for us, replacing a 19 year old kid who was thrown in the deep end due to an injury crisis. There was literally not another senior CM fit and available in the club and he solidified the midfield for us, which is why we signed him as cover in the first place. He’s 30, has a history of injury problems (including at our club) isn’t very mobile and is blowing out of his backside after 60 minutes due to the way we play. He is simply not the future of this club, particularly not in the Championship where his lack of mobility will be further exposed and taken advantage of and he would likely spend most of his time crocked as his body isn’t up to the demands placed on it at that level.
Ask yourself why McK and Ashton continue to actively pursue CM targets with a different set of qualities to Luongo and are in no hurry to offer permanent terms to him, preferring to say that they will discuss it at the end of the season, in the meantime extending the contracts of other players. |
I wouldn’t usually engage with this obvious trolling, but I wonder whether the OP thinks that the run from midfield to get ahead of the strikers, track down the ball in the left hand corner, spin the defender , have the pace to get it before it went out of play, and play an almost inch perfect cross which Broadhead headed over, which occurred deep into the second half on Tuesday is an example of his lack of mobility and energy? | | | |
| Luongo on 09:08 - Apr 20 with 1315 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
People need to take the spectacles off and get back to reality, he’s done a great job for us, replacing a 19 year old kid who was thrown in the deep end due to an injury crisis. There was literally not another senior CM fit and available in the club and he solidified the midfield for us, which is why we signed him as cover in the first place. He’s 30, has a history of injury problems (including at our club) isn’t very mobile and is blowing out of his backside after 60 minutes due to the way we play. He is simply not the future of this club, particularly not in the Championship where his lack of mobility will be further exposed and taken advantage of and he would likely spend most of his time crocked as his body isn’t up to the demands placed on it at that level.
Ask yourself why McK and Ashton continue to actively pursue CM targets with a different set of qualities to Luongo and are in no hurry to offer permanent terms to him, preferring to say that they will discuss it at the end of the season, in the meantime extending the contracts of other players. |
Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on Jimmy Bullard's time with us? |  |
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| Luongo on 09:14 - Apr 20 with 1293 views | NthQldITFC |
| Luongo on 14:34 - Apr 19 by Skip_Intro |
welcome to the div list - you're in great company... |
I saw this before I logged in, and cleared my div list again just to express my outrage! 
Job done by the OP, one might argue. Unless it's genuine? If so, blimey! |  |
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| Luongo on 09:18 - Apr 20 with 1285 views | Herbivore |
| Luongo on 08:34 - Apr 20 by itfcjoe |
Maybe stick to the General section of the board as not sure Football is for you |
He'd need to up his game to not get laughed out of the comments. |  |
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| Luongo on 09:20 - Apr 20 with 1278 views | hype313 |
| Luongo on 09:18 - Apr 20 by Herbivore |
He'd need to up his game to not get laughed out of the comments. |
Think his ceiling has been reached.
Nowhere for him to go. |  |
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| Luongo on 09:39 - Apr 20 with 1249 views | Ryorry |
| Luongo on 22:35 - Apr 19 by TalkingBlues |
People need to take the spectacles off and get back to reality, he’s done a great job for us, replacing a 19 year old kid who was thrown in the deep end due to an injury crisis. There was literally not another senior CM fit and available in the club and he solidified the midfield for us, which is why we signed him as cover in the first place. He’s 30, has a history of injury problems (including at our club) isn’t very mobile and is blowing out of his backside after 60 minutes due to the way we play. He is simply not the future of this club, particularly not in the Championship where his lack of mobility will be further exposed and taken advantage of and he would likely spend most of his time crocked as his body isn’t up to the demands placed on it at that level.
Ask yourself why McK and Ashton continue to actively pursue CM targets with a different set of qualities to Luongo and are in no hurry to offer permanent terms to him, preferring to say that they will discuss it at the end of the season, in the meantime extending the contracts of other players. |
I hope you don't drive a vehicle on public roads. | |
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| Luongo on 10:04 - Apr 20 with 1185 views | monty_radio |
Evans - welsh caps 4
Wales World Cup qualification : 1958, 2022
Luongo - Australian caps 43
Australia World Cup Qualification:: 1974, then every Cup since 2006 (inc 2 round of 16 apps)
I know that Gareth Bale was a stupendous exception to this implied comparison, but, as similarly hard-working, and occasionally gifted midfielders, it would suggest that Evans would be far from walking back in against a fit and firing Luongo.
(All this hard statistical spadework just in order to refute transparent trolling - what a gullible fool am I!) | |
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| Luongo on 10:14 - Apr 20 with 1163 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Luongo on 08:42 - Apr 20 by itfcjoe |
He went to Boro to try and make a late dash at Australia's World Cup squad, but was part of Wilder collecting midfielders and not realising that youngster Hayden Hackney was excellent so dropped down the pecking order.
I think there was also an element of post WC, potentially heading back to Australia to play - that's why he signed 6 months with Boro and his contract was up in January.
He is streets ahead of Lee Evans, and for the OP to talk about Luongo lacking mobility and then talk about Evans shows how much rubbish is being spoken. Camara just doesn't look like the right type of player for our system either but we'll see how he gets on when he comes back from injury next season.
Targets may be aimed higher than Luongo in the summer, as think we will still want to bring in Jack Taylor - but he is, by a fair distance, the second best CM in the squad currently with how we are looking to play |
I think your last paragraph is the crux of it. We will probably look to bring in someone younger with a higher ceiling and resale value in the summer. Then I think he could fall victim to Evans, Ball, Camara being contracted here next season already and being hard to shift. | | | |
| Luongo on 18:01 - Apr 21 with 1027 views | TalkingBlues |
| Luongo on 08:42 - Apr 20 by itfcjoe |
He went to Boro to try and make a late dash at Australia's World Cup squad, but was part of Wilder collecting midfielders and not realising that youngster Hayden Hackney was excellent so dropped down the pecking order.
I think there was also an element of post WC, potentially heading back to Australia to play - that's why he signed 6 months with Boro and his contract was up in January.
He is streets ahead of Lee Evans, and for the OP to talk about Luongo lacking mobility and then talk about Evans shows how much rubbish is being spoken. Camara just doesn't look like the right type of player for our system either but we'll see how he gets on when he comes back from injury next season.
Targets may be aimed higher than Luongo in the summer, as think we will still want to bring in Jack Taylor - but he is, by a fair distance, the second best CM in the squad currently with how we are looking to play |
The only mention of Evans, was nothing to do with his own mobility issues, or ability etc, but simply the fact that he is clearly the preferred CM of the manager (proven by his regular selection, alongside Morsy, ahead of every other CM at the club even when the others are fit and available) which I'm reliably informed by many on this thread, is the most important thing. People quite often conjure things up on here that bear no relation whatsoever to what has actually been posted, I'm used to it now.
As I've also mentioned and you rightly concur, we will be signing other (younger, more mobile and better quality) CM's and thus Luongo will find himself out of the picture, that was the crux of the whole thing, in response to many people viewing Luongo as the future of the club and pointing out how important it was to sign him up on a 200 year permanent contract before he gets snapped up by Man City. | |
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