| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? 18:14 - Sep 8 with 4327 views | Mullet |
I'm as high as I can go in terms of pay scales, but a decision was made out of the blue which impacts me massively and my team quite a lot.
It means the job I'd carved out for myself is all but gone and years of work wasted now, as it won't be carried forward. Part of me thinks it's incredibly personal from one member of management throwing their weight around as it directly affects me so much. I basically set up, ran and facilitated the subject by myself and they've killed it dead on the first day back without warning.
There are other jobs out there, but none which would pay me as much as my management responsibilities would go, and with it about 15% of my wages potentially.
One vacancy I've seen is a lot closer so travelling sort of negates the pay cut somewhat, but obviously I'd be joining a new team, new organisation/school etc. Or I stay keep my head down and hope the perfect job on the same money magically appears.
I've already a lot of broken promises regarding my career as I did a qualification in my own time and the job it was geared towards had already been given to someone else who was cheaper.
Given I've got two really young kids is it worth the financial hit and being closer to home but potentially not able to spend as much on them and all that goes with it? Hive mind and life experience welcomed here TWTD.
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:39 - Sep 8 with 4191 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
I left teaching in summer 2021 after my SLT role was going to be changed to non-teaching against my wishes after a restructure and was told pretty much take it or leave it.
I earn significantly less now in a completely new field away from education (c. 25% decrease) but work from home 3 days a week and have evenings and weekends free, spending more time with my wife in the last couple of years than have in the whole time we've been together (file this in the pros or cons column as applicable...)
Conversely, my mate who is still teaching is miserable as hell and wants out, but with two young children, a house purchase that stretched them as it is, taking a pay cut is not an option for him.
If you can swallow the monetary loss, especially if the payback is better life balance, I would say don't discount it.
Edit - best of luck whatever choice you make. [Post edited 8 Sep 2023 18:40]
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:48 - Sep 8 with 4150 views | Churchman |
The first thing is to look at where you are from the outside in. You cannot change what has happened. Broken promises, a’holes, decisions beyond your control: park them because you cannot control what’s been done.
Now and the future is all that matters. So the question is can you stay working with the same people, if that’s the least disruptive £ wise and domestically? If the trust is gone, probably not. Assuming the latter, can you exercise patience until you decide what you want to do and where? It’s much easier and less risky changing jobs of you are in employment.
It sounds to me like you are not going to be happy staying where you are long term and we spend far too much of out time in work to put up with that for longer than we have to. The waiting for something to turn up approach might work, but might not. I’m always in favour of making things happen, but that’s very much my nature and I don’t have the domestic commitments you have.
My experience? I moved a few times and it worked out for me just fine. I always prioritised what I was doing/the opportunity over money. I worked on the basis that the money would follow.
But for me that was an easier choice than some in that Mrs C being a teacher could and did work so the household income was not an overriding problem. The second time I actually took voluntary redundancy and was paid a good lump of £ to go, so even less risk.
This is very much personal view, personal experience. Everyone is different and there are no rights and wrongs. But unhappiness in work for any length of time (we all go through highs and lows with it to an extent), regardless of reason, is not sustainable from your point of view or in fact your family’s they will notice.
Just a view - I hope it helps |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:55 - Sep 8 with 4120 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Showing my great age here, but...
In 91 I moved from London to a job in Naarwich - more money, closer to Ipswich, bought a house, had a baby there - and then the job went to to ratsh1t. (largely due to a combination of inbred and backwards values bordering on black magic, but that's another story).
Long and short, I relocated to Reading in 93. I'd never been to Reading before. Sold my house at a loss, missus had to give up her job, took a pay cut. Missus was depressed for a couple of years. But. The job had potential. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forwards, and those experiences are character building. Before too long, I had moved beyond where I would ever have got to in Naarwich, manged to get back onto the property ladder, and a few years later, well i was so glad to have reset my career. Its worth a couple of years of hardship is my advice. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:58 - Sep 8 with 4107 views | bluelagos |
Took an 85% pay cut once - but that was kind of new career move - from business to charity sector. Had had enough of the rat race and opted to save the world.
Discovered that the charity sector wasn't all that and ended up back in the rat race a few years later :-)
Ultimately if you are unhappy at work (for whatever reason) then yeah, look at other opportunities. But remember the new job will have it's own issues. Sometimes the grass looks greener but that can be an illusion for sure.
All I would say is don't do anything rash. Lot easier to get a new job from your current one. And too many quick changes don't look good - so stick with it until you find the job you want rather than jumping ship at the first thing that comes along. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:59 - Sep 8 with 4105 views | homer_123 |
This is purely my personal perspective and experience.
I've left jobs for less money, absolutely. The thought of purely working for the money is not me. I love my work but I don't 'live to work'. I 'work to live' but I've always been happy to cut my cloth because I believe you need to be happy.
The knock on effects of that have been positive for my family but appreciate we are all different and no two situations are the same. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 19:11 - Sep 8 with 4026 views | giant_stow |
I've no relevant advice - just purely on vibes, I reckon go for the closer one which is tempting you. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 19:19 - Sep 8 with 4000 views | Horsham |
From experience I took a job last year that was much smaller than the one I’d been doing. Still decent money, in fact slightly more basic but made a call to change because of the demands of my old job were too much and I lost a fair bit of confidence. At the same time I loved the intensity and I loved the responsibility and the sense I’d built something.
For the first time I’d moved as the competitions new big signing but frankly there was sod all work to do. I missed the intensity and what I’d built. I’m guessing you’ve got a lot of personal investment in what you did. Maybe if that’s the case see if there is any stones you haven’t looked under or any angle you can use to retrieve what you had and if you can’t watch out for your own feeling of fulfilment. If you can’t get it at work then look outside as it’s easy to lose motivation.
Good luck and feel free to ignore. Make your own mind up! |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 19:57 - Sep 8 with 3928 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Very sorry to read that. You were considering doing a different role a while ago and I guess from this decided against it. I guess that other role is no longer an option now. I know these decisions often feel personal but suspect they usually are not (but have no idea really) - I have been told a couple of times recently that I don't sell myself very well.
I hope that whatever you decide, you are happy with the outcome. Being happy with what you are doing is more important than money providing you have enough to live a decent lifestyle. I have seen many well-paid people age very quickly. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 20:14 - Sep 8 with 3884 views | ElderGrizzly |
I went from being in a senior position in a consulting firm to the civil service.
That was a significant cut, but it gave me time with, like you, a young family and meant I had more control of where i’d be and what I worked on.
It might sound soppy, but there are always other opportunities out there and taking a step which might appear illogical financially now doesn’t mean you don’t leap back up the pay in a future role. |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 21:36 - Sep 8 with 3681 views | factual_blue |
Put personal happiness and time with your loved ones above all else. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 21:47 - Sep 8 with 3646 views | Swansea_Blue |
I left a paid permanent role on a reasonable wage to nothing (except a small bit of self-employed consultancy), so I could spend more time at home with our young family. The role was a couple of hours a way, so it was a bit of a no brainer. It worked out fine and I don’t regret it at all (although that job wasn’t right for me anyway, so easy decision).
Me and the Mrs have also turned down better job offers to prioritise home life/lifestyle. Life’s too short to be putting up with unnecessary crap and we like where we live and our non-commute. We didn’t need the extra money though, so again that makes those decisions easier. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 22:15 - Sep 8 with 3571 views | RonFearonsHair |
Two things stand out for me here.
Firstly, if you've been working in education then please don't consider any of your years of work as 'wasted'. I get where you're coming from if you feel if you have spent a significant amount of time and energy building something up only for the rug to be pulled from under your feet, but don't underestimate the positive impact you have had over a number of lives already.
Secondly, children have no concept of how much you have spent on them as they don't understand the value of money. They understand the concepts of time and attention. If you are able to provide more of either of those then you are onto a winner. This is speaking from experience of a position not wholly dissimilar to yours from what I can gather from your post.
All the best in whatever you decide to do. |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 22:31 - Sep 8 with 3528 views | Pippin1970 |
I've just gone into SEN schools this week. Earning 4 pounds an hour more than mainstream schools. Obviously super challenging at times but rewarding. The school paid holidays and weekends off a huge bonus. Hope you find the right one which pays accordingly. |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 22:38 - Sep 8 with 3506 views | Steve_M |
It’s a really difficult thing to think through, I was quite prepared to take a pay cut at the end of last year as I desperately needed a change of job. I got lucky with the first one I was offered so never had to think it through with areal offer in front of me.
Couple of things to consider is what you and the family would have to cut back on if you had that kind of pay cut and, also, whether there is much scope to make some of it back over time in any other role. A pay cut for a year or two is different to one for the next ten years.
Ultimately quality of life should win out - as long as you can afford to but also don’t rush a decision when you’re massively - and rightly - fked off. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 23:47 - Sep 8 with 3400 views | Cotty |
If you can survive without the 15%, do what makes you happy. Whatever your kids miss out on in terms of material things will be more than made up for from having a happier Dad. |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 11:08 - Sep 9 with 3091 views | chicoazul |
All you need to think in these situations is, what’s best for my family? The pieces will then fall into place. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 11:27 - Sep 9 with 3043 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Try and get them to pay you off to soften the blow?
I’ve known people do it for a lot more than 15% but it completely depends how important that 15% is to your own circumstances doesn’t it. | | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 11:43 - Sep 9 with 3011 views | Ewan_Oozami |
This will be a long post so here's the Tldr; as many people on this thread have said, your family's and your well-being comes first, it's amazing that once you decide to prioritise that, how much time and money you end up wasting (I know that's not always possible for many though), in many cases just to stand still - advice from teachers I know (including Eldest Oozami): if you think you're in a toxic school, get out ASAP for the sake of your sanity and your family's - and make you are in the right frame of mind to be able to support yourself and your family
The long read:
So Eldest Oozami was teaching in an academy school in East London (where she had been before) and completing her ECT - her leadership team and the wider SLT we, as far as I could tell, completely unsuited to educating children, they were just there glory hunting in a management role - her mentor and tutor were also people who should nevel be allowed to manage or mentor anyone, they didn't have a clue and and gave her no support whatsoever, in fact the total opposite in many cases - as a result, EO's confidence was utterly destroyed, she went off sick and never went back - says she doesn't want to do formal teaching in schools but would be quite happy to work in music education for a charity - in fact she's just applied for a job at Snape, and hopes to get her confidence back doing that.
Now as for Mrs Oozami, she's in a job where over the years, because she displays more than the average anount of ability for a management accountant (an oxymoron I know!), her company have piled more and more work on her, while other senior peers seem to cruise along (and earn higher bonuses) doing sweet FA - she resigned from that job recently without anything to go to - but another director (bless her!) in the company who Mrs O has worked with has offered her a lesser-paid (about 30% less), but infinitely less stressful role, which she's probably going to take - Mrs O was also losing confidence in herself, getting tired all the time, and hopefully this role will reverse that!
As for me, I've been hit by the BWP train (people who work in EE/BT) will know what I mean, and I'm finishing next March, I've been very very lucky in my working life, had good jobs, good bosses, could move around at leisure, (I know this makes me an entitled boomer, but my parents never owned a car and I went to school in Basildon so I do know some hardship!) Anyway, this means I do have the time and energy to support EO and Mrs O, so if you've got this far, the takeaway from the long read, is that sometimes people will have time and energy to support you when you need it, but it is vitally important that you have the time, energy and confidence to support yourself and your family if they need it |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 11:46 - Sep 9 with 3008 views | Skip_Intro |
Sorry to hear that mate - it must feel like right kick in the plums - don't take it personally or let it eat you up, which is easier said than done.
All I can offer, is that having 'chased the money' and often commuted 4-5 hours each day for a better paid job than I can get locally, is that cutting my commute was the best thing that I ever did. I was much happier, more pleasant to be around and had more energy outside of work. I don't have kids but I'd imagine that any opportunity to spend more time with them is a bonus too.
In short, if you can take the financial hit I'd try to find a fresh start closer to home - you have carved out the job that you want once and so you can definitely do it again.
Staying somewhere you aren't happy will probably just cause resentment on your part, possibly leading to an unintended (and subconscious) drop in performance/attitude/relationships at work and then it just becomes a horrible sh*tstorm for everyone involved.
Turn the negative into a postive and live a happier life with your family if you can is my advice...good luck! |  | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 12:10 - Sep 9 with 2976 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Depends what you do. The writing appears to be on the wall from what you say and redundancy awaits. Moving before the axe falls could be an expensive mistake depending on what you’re entitled to.
If you’re as successful as you say you are then ‘management’ might have plans to use those talents elsewhere?
Moving jobs is always a risk in the age of outsourcing - as is becoming an expensive employee.
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 14:06 - Sep 9 with 2842 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 18:55 - Sep 8 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Showing my great age here, but...
In 91 I moved from London to a job in Naarwich - more money, closer to Ipswich, bought a house, had a baby there - and then the job went to to ratsh1t. (largely due to a combination of inbred and backwards values bordering on black magic, but that's another story).
Long and short, I relocated to Reading in 93. I'd never been to Reading before. Sold my house at a loss, missus had to give up her job, took a pay cut. Missus was depressed for a couple of years. But. The job had potential. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forwards, and those experiences are character building. Before too long, I had moved beyond where I would ever have got to in Naarwich, manged to get back onto the property ladder, and a few years later, well i was so glad to have reset my career. Its worth a couple of years of hardship is my advice. |
You had to live in Reading though, so a real mixed bag. |  |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 17:18 - Sep 9 with 2720 views | Mullet |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 19:57 - Sep 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Very sorry to read that. You were considering doing a different role a while ago and I guess from this decided against it. I guess that other role is no longer an option now. I know these decisions often feel personal but suspect they usually are not (but have no idea really) - I have been told a couple of times recently that I don't sell myself very well.
I hope that whatever you decide, you are happy with the outcome. Being happy with what you are doing is more important than money providing you have enough to live a decent lifestyle. I have seen many well-paid people age very quickly. |
Firstly, thanks to all as ever.
I didn't decide, management refused to release me for the required time to do it unfortunately, despite the pay being agreed and sorted. My presumption was they'd axe this element of my job to allow me the days working in the new role but there's no intention at all to do that either. | |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 20:26 - Sep 9 with 2612 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 17:18 - Sep 9 by Mullet |
Firstly, thanks to all as ever.
I didn't decide, management refused to release me for the required time to do it unfortunately, despite the pay being agreed and sorted. My presumption was they'd axe this element of my job to allow me the days working in the new role but there's no intention at all to do that either. |
Sounds rather like you are in a strong position to give them an ultimatum - release you for that time or you leave. I would be amazed if you can't get another similar role in a nearby school to where you are. Most subjects have plenty of vacancies permanently.
Apologies if that's a misreading of your situation. | |
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| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 22:15 - Sep 9 with 2467 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 20:26 - Sep 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Sounds rather like you are in a strong position to give them an ultimatum - release you for that time or you leave. I would be amazed if you can't get another similar role in a nearby school to where you are. Most subjects have plenty of vacancies permanently.
Apologies if that's a misreading of your situation. |
Frankly, the difference between being content in a job, and frustrated and tired, is massive.
And the former benefits the family more than you realise. | | | |
| Anyone here taken a significant pay cut by moving company? on 22:33 - Sep 9 with 2438 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Who knew teaching had become so corporate....take the option that gives you time with the kids. |  |
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