| David Coote 14:26 - Nov 11 with 10332 views | TresBonne |
I cannot believe I am seeing a Premier League referee slag off Liverpool/Klopp on camera like this! Clearly pished or something else. wtf [Post edited 11 Nov 2024 14:30]
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| David Coote on 17:13 - Nov 11 with 2171 views | itfcsuth |
I don’t understand what he’s done wrong.
Managers have spent years along with players calling refs every name under the sun - you’d be naive to think refs don’t form opinions of Managers/Players based on behaviour.
We’ve seen it all over the internet relationships between managers/players and refs with Warnock, Barton, Undr the Cosh, Bunch of Amateurs.
Mountains out of molehills here. |  | | |
| David Coote on 17:14 - Nov 11 with 2159 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| David Coote on 15:05 - Nov 11 by Asa |
Can't wait to see this on ref watch.
'For me, he doesn't actually say anything. It's just a coming together of words'. |
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| David Coote on 17:14 - Nov 11 with 2163 views | wkj |
| David Coote on 16:45 - Nov 11 by NthQldITFC |
It does look weird. Whether that's to do with, shall we say, 'inebriation' or something else I don't know. If it's a deep fake it's bloody terrifying for the future of truth, but also inevitable. |
There is some strangeness I felt when watching this video. The demeanour of the host is quite different from Coote's as well as the 'matey banter' between a 40 year old professional and a 20 something kid (obviously this isn't a hard and fast social rule, but you don't often see that kinda mateyness in play)
I can't say for sure if I feel it is a deep fake, but there is enough here that wouldn't surprise me if PGMOL go down that line. It just doesn't seem like its a plausible setting and you'd think a 'world class' official would be very sure to avoid this kind of behaviour.
I think it is a staged video and the stoned/drunk lad might well be having a laugh, based purely on his sign off on the first clip. |  |
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| David Coote on 17:14 - Nov 11 with 2155 views | NthQldITFC |
| David Coote on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's AI, I'd expect to see if screw up a little bit when it zooms in and out of his face.
Even then, where would they get enough data for his voice?
I think the "it's AI" will quickly become "I was hacked!" excuse. |
Yeah, I've had another look and it's just weirdness or inebriation, isn't it. I thought I saw something funny going on with his ear but it's just moving shadow from the other bloke. I still think it's inevitable that within a few years we'll see things like that, of that resolution and actually not know whether they're real or not, even after a VAR review. |  |
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| David Coote on 17:14 - Nov 11 with 2156 views | mrfixit426 |
| David Coote on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's AI, I'd expect to see if screw up a little bit when it zooms in and out of his face.
Even then, where would they get enough data for his voice?
I think the "it's AI" will quickly become "I was hacked!" excuse. |
Yeah there are no obvious tells it's AI. I've had to put up with AI snake oil salesmen trying to infiltrate my industry for a while now, and there are obvious things to look for. His phone is occluding his face as well, with no effect.
The guy is toast. |  | | |
| David Coote on 17:20 - Nov 11 with 2104 views | wkj |
| David Coote on 17:14 - Nov 11 by mrfixit426 |
Yeah there are no obvious tells it's AI. I've had to put up with AI snake oil salesmen trying to infiltrate my industry for a while now, and there are obvious things to look for. His phone is occluding his face as well, with no effect.
The guy is toast. |
Not AI as we know it, but we are used to commercially available AI. The video length, lack of colour in frame, consistent audio levels and A speak then B speak then A then B etc (with no overlap)... It is quite possible to produce this with minimal artifacts using some of the AI tools that are in a development build.
It is important to note that AI that has to generate everything from scratch, including the rigging of the object in frame, will give you more artifacts - but using 3D modelling tools that conforms to a human frame is much much less likely to commit any of the common AI faux pas, if the editor knows their stuff.
I'm not saying I believe this to be AI, but given the above, I wouldn't be quick to refute it either. [Post edited 11 Nov 2024 17:22]
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| David Coote on 17:22 - Nov 11 with 2085 views | LankHenners |
| David Coote on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's AI, I'd expect to see if screw up a little bit when it zooms in and out of his face.
Even then, where would they get enough data for his voice?
I think the "it's AI" will quickly become "I was hacked!" excuse. |
Agree, though think it would be a funnier outcome if someone has genuinely sat there scraping the data to create a convincing fake video of David Coote of all people. |  |
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| David Coote on 18:00 - Nov 11 with 1975 views | SitfcB |
| David Coote on 16:36 - Nov 11 by SitfcB |
It’s going to VAR…
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| David Coote on 18:13 - Nov 11 with 1909 views | DanTheMan |
| David Coote on 18:00 - Nov 11 by SitfcB |
LOL
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"Doesn't recall the content of the discussion"
Yeah, I've had a few nights like that as well... |  |
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| David Coote on 18:17 - Nov 11 with 1886 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| David Coote on 18:00 - Nov 11 by SitfcB |
LOL
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OMG, I didn't think it possible for this to look worse, but going with it being fake then admitting it's real (albeit old) after experts have checked, certainly is.
What a plonker.
Not sure being drunk (or whatever the reason is for his memory loss) is going to save him. |  |
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| David Coote on 18:18 - Nov 11 with 1874 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| David Coote on 18:13 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
"Doesn't recall the content of the discussion"
Yeah, I've had a few nights like that as well... |
I guess this sort of defence has worked for the Tories for several years, but I don't think it's going to work for this chap. | |
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| David Coote on 18:34 - Nov 11 with 1820 views | Whos_blue |
| David Coote on 15:05 - Nov 11 by Asa |
Can't wait to see this on ref watch.
'For me, he doesn't actually say anything. It's just a coming together of words'. |
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| David Coote on 19:38 - Nov 11 with 1688 views | Jimmy86 |
Deary me! That's him out of a job! Unless there's 1 hell of a cover up by the PGMOL..
Only question is, why has this video now been circulated?! Seems proper dodgy to me.. sure the truth will come out eventually |  | | |
| David Coote on 19:44 - Nov 11 with 1675 views | Lightningboy |
Praying they find one of Keith Stroud. |  | | |
| David Coote on 19:54 - Nov 11 with 1647 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| David Coote on 17:13 - Nov 11 by itfcsuth |
I don’t understand what he’s done wrong.
Managers have spent years along with players calling refs every name under the sun - you’d be naive to think refs don’t form opinions of Managers/Players based on behaviour.
We’ve seen it all over the internet relationships between managers/players and refs with Warnock, Barton, Undr the Cosh, Bunch of Amateurs.
Mountains out of molehills here. |
As usual its being blown out of proportion.
People are talking about it as if hes been found guilty of match rigging.
He's just called out Klopp.
OK, so maybe it makes it difficult for him to ref in the Prem, but surely there is no reason he couldnt continue his career in the EFL. |  |
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| ' I think the "it's AI" will quickly become "I was hacked!" on 19:54 - Nov 11 with 1645 views | Dyland |
| David Coote on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's AI, I'd expect to see if screw up a little bit when it zooms in and out of his face.
Even then, where would they get enough data for his voice?
I think the "it's AI" will quickly become "I was hacked!" excuse. |
Or... "I was facked."
Which in this case looks to be the case :) |  |
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| David Coote on 20:53 - Nov 11 with 1538 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| David Coote on 19:54 - Nov 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
As usual its being blown out of proportion.
People are talking about it as if hes been found guilty of match rigging.
He's just called out Klopp.
OK, so maybe it makes it difficult for him to ref in the Prem, but surely there is no reason he couldnt continue his career in the EFL. |
You're having a laugh aren't you?!
The whole thing about refs is they're meant to be impartial. This shows he isn't. Any controversial decision he gave in future, even if not involving Liverpool, would be questioned and the wronged team wondering if he had some grudge against them.
Quite apart from the fact that someone agreeing to have something like this filmed should have their judgement questioned. | |
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| David Coote on 21:26 - Nov 11 with 1460 views | tractorshark |
This video could be the end of the PGMOL as it is now.
There are refs long suspected of bias and there will be others who just aren’t stupid enough to put it on video but are guilty of it.
I don’t subscribe to all the conspiracy theories but now every affiliation and decision will be scrutinised.
That said, it was common knowledge most refs thought Klopp was a bully. | | | |
| David Coote on 21:36 - Nov 11 with 1410 views | SE1blue |
| David Coote on 17:11 - Nov 11 by wkj |
There is some strangeness I felt when watching this video. The demeanour of the host is quite different from Coote's as well as the 'matey banter' between a 40 year old professional and a 20 something kid (obviously this isn't a hard and fast social rule, but you don't often see that kinda mateyness in play)
I can't say for sure if I feel it is a deep fake, but there is enough here that wouldn't surprise me if PGMOL go down that line. It just doesn't seem like its a plausible setting and you'd |
There's a lot of speculation going on about the relationship between the two of them and for the motivation for this being shared now but that's not really anyones business or important.
What Coote has allegedly said is the only issue here and if it's real, even if you look past the blatant potential bias, would you employ someone who says this stuff in the role that they have? |  |
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| David Coote on 22:58 - Nov 11 with 1262 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| David Coote on 20:53 - Nov 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're having a laugh aren't you?!
The whole thing about refs is they're meant to be impartial. This shows he isn't. Any controversial decision he gave in future, even if not involving Liverpool, would be questioned and the wronged team wondering if he had some grudge against them.
Quite apart from the fact that someone agreeing to have something like this filmed should have their judgement questioned. |
That's no different from him being an Everton fan for example.
Storm in a teacup.
As I said, nothing at all to stop him being an EFL ref.
This is the sort of opinion that many a ref will have discussed, his mistake was letting someone record it. If Klopp was a c0ck to him, its no surprise he dislikes him.
Klopp has left Liverpool. | |
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| David Coote on 23:29 - Nov 11 with 1210 views | Nutkins_Return |
| David Coote on 14:43 - Nov 11 by textbackup |
That is seriously strange behaviour 😂 |
It's not really thought is it. He's wasted and so is his mate. It's actually relatively normal behaviour for probably 3am on what is probably a rare big night out for him....but as a pro ref he can't get away with that unfortunately. Feel a it sorry for him that his mate has cost him his career here | |
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| David Coote on 23:37 - Nov 11 with 1199 views | itfcsuth |
| David Coote on 20:53 - Nov 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're having a laugh aren't you?!
The whole thing about refs is they're meant to be impartial. This shows he isn't. Any controversial decision he gave in future, even if not involving Liverpool, would be questioned and the wronged team wondering if he had some grudge against them.
Quite apart from the fact that someone agreeing to have something like this filmed should have their judgement questioned. |
Of course he can carry on his career as a referee.
Be silly to think refs don’t talk this amongst themselves, in their own privacy, they’re human beings just like players and managers.
Slap on the wrist, telling off, drop to the Championship/L1 for the season and move on. | | | |
| David Coote on 07:28 - Nov 12 with 1056 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| David Coote on 22:58 - Nov 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
That's no different from him being an Everton fan for example.
Storm in a teacup.
As I said, nothing at all to stop him being an EFL ref.
This is the sort of opinion that many a ref will have discussed, his mistake was letting someone record it. If Klopp was a c0ck to him, its no surprise he dislikes him.
Klopp has left Liverpool. |
Thing is, if he'd declared himself to be an Everton fan - all well and good, he would not be reffing Liverpool games.
He has reffed Liverpool games though, which puts his integrity into question.
And if he feels like this about one manager then he probably has opinions about others. Where does it end?
This would do nothing for the integrity of the PGMOL if they kept him on as well. You'd have managers questioning every decision and claiming certain refs don't like them.
Storm in a teacup? More like a can of worms. | |
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| David Coote on 07:30 - Nov 12 with 1053 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| David Coote on 23:37 - Nov 11 by itfcsuth |
Of course he can carry on his career as a referee.
Be silly to think refs don’t talk this amongst themselves, in their own privacy, they’re human beings just like players and managers.
Slap on the wrist, telling off, drop to the Championship/L1 for the season and move on. |
It's not in his own privacy though. It's been recorded for the world to see.
Why do you think he says in the second video, "That farkin last video can't go anywhere, seriously". And why do you think he lied about it being real? [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 7:33]
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| David Coote on 08:54 - Nov 12 with 966 views | tractorboy1978 |
| David Coote on 07:28 - Nov 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Thing is, if he'd declared himself to be an Everton fan - all well and good, he would not be reffing Liverpool games.
He has reffed Liverpool games though, which puts his integrity into question.
And if he feels like this about one manager then he probably has opinions about others. Where does it end?
This would do nothing for the integrity of the PGMOL if they kept him on as well. You'd have managers questioning every decision and claiming certain refs don't like them.
Storm in a teacup? More like a can of worms. |
"And if he feels like this about one manager then he probably has opinions about others. Where does it end?"
Referees are human beings and get into refereeing because they are football fans, which comes with all sorts of allegiances and biases. They will also all have managers and characters they like/dislike more than others. He's been really silly and will likely pay the price with his job (at PL level anyway at a minimum). Problem for the PGMOL is that this brings into focus the natural human bias (unconscious or otherwise) that all their referees will have. | | | |
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