| Will our captain 19:59 - Nov 29 with 17073 views | chicoazul |
be wearing rainbow laces or the armband this weekend? |  |
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| Will our captain on 13:36 - Nov 30 with 2286 views | J2BLUE |
| Will our captain on 11:55 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm not saying people should be forced to wear the laces or armband. I'm saying that people should not hold homophobic views based on a book of fairytales. |
I know exactly what point you are making but we have religious freedom in the UK.
Morsy has never spoken out against LGBT people. He simply quietly respects his religion by not publicly displaying a symbol of support. As if his right. |  |
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| Will our captain on 13:38 - Nov 30 with 2264 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Will our captain on 13:36 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I know exactly what point you are making but we have religious freedom in the UK.
Morsy has never spoken out against LGBT people. He simply quietly respects his religion by not publicly displaying a symbol of support. As if his right. |
See Bloots post re Morsy and his public views. |  |
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| Will our captain on 13:40 - Nov 30 with 2252 views | SE1blue |
| Will our captain on 09:11 - Nov 30 by Zx1988 |
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it (has Sam appeared on previous match graphics?), but perhaps the graphic the club has produced for today suggests that Chappers could get the armband?
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How small is the City Ground if Chaplin is that big inside the stadium?
I thought there were regulations over pitch size etc.? |  |
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| Will our captain on 13:41 - Nov 30 with 2234 views | J2BLUE |
| Will our captain on 13:38 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
See Bloots post re Morsy and his public views. |
I have only ever seen one thing from him on Twitter which he liked and that was very mild. I may have missed something. | |
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| Will our captain on 13:45 - Nov 30 with 2203 views | Reus30 |
Also, should we not consider the fact the FA and the England players backed down from doing similar gestures at the Qatar world cup?
If anyone person with authority gets upset by someones choice (Choice FFS!), that should be pointed to. Also as someone alluded to, I suspect being a Muslim creates the issue. If some white Christian England footballer did it, it would be ignored but the tabloids will be all over it when Sammy doesn't wear it, painting all Muslims as bad people. |  | | |
| Will our captain on 13:45 - Nov 30 with 2198 views | orfordbuoy |
| Will our captain on 13:36 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I know exactly what point you are making but we have religious freedom in the UK.
Morsy has never spoken out against LGBT people. He simply quietly respects his religion by not publicly displaying a symbol of support. As if his right. |
but this should not be about the intolerance of Morsy's religion, but the support of Ipswich Town, and the football community as a whole, towards greater acceptance and inclusion of this community. |  | | |
| Will our captain on 13:47 - Nov 30 with 2191 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Will our captain on 13:41 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I have only ever seen one thing from him on Twitter which he liked and that was very mild. I may have missed something. |
Picking up on your point regarding religious freedom. Wasn't a business sued because they refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to their religious beliefs? | |
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| Will our captain on 13:56 - Nov 30 with 2164 views | J2BLUE |
| Will our captain on 13:47 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Picking up on your point regarding religious freedom. Wasn't a business sued because they refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to their religious beliefs? |
I believe so. Not sure how that case turned out. | |
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| Will our captain on 13:56 - Nov 30 with 2163 views | tcblue |
| Will our captain on 13:47 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Picking up on your point regarding religious freedom. Wasn't a business sued because they refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to their religious beliefs? |
No.
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| Will our captain on 13:57 - Nov 30 with 2162 views | Kievthegreat |
| Will our captain on 13:45 - Nov 30 by Reus30 |
Also, should we not consider the fact the FA and the England players backed down from doing similar gestures at the Qatar world cup?
If anyone person with authority gets upset by someones choice (Choice FFS!), that should be pointed to. Also as someone alluded to, I suspect being a Muslim creates the issue. If some white Christian England footballer did it, it would be ignored but the tabloids will be all over it when Sammy doesn't wear it, painting all Muslims as bad people. |
While I really hope Sam chooses to wear a rainbow armband for moral reasons and as a representative of the clubs attitudes. I also know that some parts of the press who really can't give a toss about LGBTQ rights will feign outrage so they can attack a prominent Muslim.
As an aside, are the armbands 100% confirmed for this week? |  | | |
| Will our captain on 23:08 - Nov 30 with 2002 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Pinkun debate on the same subject. Shows that there are many shades of opinion on how political statements should or should not be made in footbsll.
https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/154654-ipswich-captain-morsy-not-weari
Interestingly though, there has been no furore elsewhere in the media, that I've seen, on the fact that our captain wore his usual armband.
Nothing to see here, perhaps? [Post edited 30 Nov 2024 23:32]
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| Will our captain on 00:01 - Dec 1 with 1908 views | bournemouthblue |
| Will our captain on 13:22 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
What a ridiculous comparison. |
Is it though, the poppy seems untouchable and whether people like it or not, it is a political symbol.
Rainbow laces or taking the knee, aren't afforded the same level of respect from all sections are they
The same people who would spit feathers at the poppy not being worn, are happy to moan at the taking the knee with no understanding of irony there
I don't want people misinterpreting my point on the poppy here either, I'm not disrespecting the use of it or what it represents. [Post edited 1 Dec 2024 0:03]
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| Will our captain on 12:11 - Dec 1 with 1660 views | monkeymagic |
It is well documented that Sam Morsy is a Muslim.
It is well documented that Muslims consider homosexuality a sin.
If Sam wears the armband and/or laces, he will be doing so under duress, not because he supports the cause : which any homosexual person would know. Him conforming under pressure does nothing to improve inclusiveness.
If the club wants to promote inclusion, it should do so. If the club has a problem with employees not being aligned to their views, that’s an issue for the club to tackle.
I’m personally not sure an employer should base recruitment or disciplinary measures on whether an employee is willing to support a non business related issue.
In the context of the business concerned here, it would make much more sense for a football club to stick to football, rather than dabbling with societal issues. . If there’s even a hint of discrimination at said club, then authorities should come down on it instantly/with full force. | | | |
| Will our captain on 12:35 - Dec 1 with 1606 views | DJR |
The photos on the EADT website appear to indicate that none of the players on either side wore rainbow laces, and Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband either. I assume the same is true for the Forest captain.
Maybe it will take place on Tuesday being a home game, given this from the Premier League website.
"Our clubs will come together between 29 November-5 December to celebrate Stonewall's 2024/25 Rainbow Laces campaign and show support for all LGBT people in football and beyond.
At Premier League fixtures across the Matchweeks 13 and 14, there will be bespoke Rainbow Laces pitch flags, ball plinths, handshake boards and substitute boards. There will be also rainbow captain's armbands and rainbow laces."
Brentford (to their credit) did take part yesterday.
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| It's only the Captain that wears the armband.... on 12:43 - Dec 1 with 1567 views | Bloots |
| Will our captain on 12:35 - Dec 1 by DJR |
The photos on the EADT website appear to indicate that none of the players on either side wore rainbow laces, and Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband either. I assume the same is true for the Forest captain.
Maybe it will take place on Tuesday being a home game, given this from the Premier League website.
"Our clubs will come together between 29 November-5 December to celebrate Stonewall's 2024/25 Rainbow Laces campaign and show support for all LGBT people in football and beyond.
At Premier League fixtures across the Matchweeks 13 and 14, there will be bespoke Rainbow Laces pitch flags, ball plinths, handshake boards and substitute boards. There will be also rainbow captain's armbands and rainbow laces."
Brentford (to their credit) did take part yesterday.
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....the rest wear the laces.
It's meant to be over both of the games this week.
The Forest captain wore it yesterday, ours didn't.
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| You said that he..... on 12:45 - Dec 1 with 1552 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| You said that he..... on 07:19 - Nov 30 by chicoazul |
You have to wonder why someone would want to “stay neutral” on this topic. And is not supporting the rainbow laces campaign an example of staying neutral? Or is it maybe the other thing? |
Will you be wearing rainbow laces? |  |
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| Will our captain on 12:46 - Dec 1 with 1554 views | LankHenners |
| Will our captain on 13:41 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I have only ever seen one thing from him on Twitter which he liked and that was very mild. I may have missed something. |
You’ve missed quite a bit, yes.
He clearly has a problem with the LGBT community, bit off imo that people try and make excuses for it just because they like him as a football player. |  |
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| At one stage.... on 12:49 - Dec 1 with 1536 views | Bloots |
| Will our captain on 13:41 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I have only ever seen one thing from him on Twitter which he liked and that was very mild. I may have missed something. |
...he was retweeting stuff from that Andrew Tate character! | |
| "He's been a really positive influence on my life, I think he's a great man" - TWTD User (May 2025) |
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| Will our captain on 13:05 - Dec 1 with 1502 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Will our captain on 13:36 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
I know exactly what point you are making but we have religious freedom in the UK.
Morsy has never spoken out against LGBT people. He simply quietly respects his religion by not publicly displaying a symbol of support. As if his right. |
If it were a thing that MP's were going to wear an armband and Jacob Rees Mogg wouldn't due to religious views, this place would be in absolute meltdown.
Personally I don't get hung up either way with rainbows or poppy's but I know some do, the hypocrisy shown on this thread if off the scale - baby! [Post edited 1 Dec 2024 13:16]
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| Will our captain on 13:41 - Dec 1 with 1452 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Will our captain on 22:07 - Nov 29 by vapour_trail |
That’s a really tvvattish response.
Fortunately I know that’s not you’re MO. |
You seem to be avoiding Nthsuffolk's (reasonable) questions.
You say Morsy not wearing the laces/armband "indicates a section of society are unwelcome at itfc." Does Morsy not eating pork mean I'm unwelcome at ITFC because I like a bacon sandwich?! | |
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| Will our captain on 13:58 - Dec 1 with 1396 views | tcblue |
| Will our captain on 13:41 - Dec 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem to be avoiding Nthsuffolk's (reasonable) questions.
You say Morsy not wearing the laces/armband "indicates a section of society are unwelcome at itfc." Does Morsy not eating pork mean I'm unwelcome at ITFC because I like a bacon sandwich?! |
I can never tell when you're joking | | | |
| Can't see too many people.... on 14:01 - Dec 1 with 1370 views | m14_blue |
| Can't see too many people.... on 22:01 - Nov 29 by Bloots |
...."getting hot under the collar", just people stating either facts or their opinion. Which as you state is their right.
I don't think it's a sin and I think that people who do are in the wrong, small minded and frankly backward when it comes to this particular subject.
I don't think it's a good look for the club to have a captain who falls into that category.
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Exactly this.
I love SM, he's an incredible leader and an often underrated player who has made the step up to the prem remarkably well and is absolutely central to some of my best ever memories supporting Town.
But we should call out something we don't agree with, even if (especially when?) it's one of our own. [Post edited 1 Dec 2024 14:15]
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| Will our captain on 14:21 - Dec 1 with 1317 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Will our captain on 13:05 - Dec 1 by Lord_Lucan |
If it were a thing that MP's were going to wear an armband and Jacob Rees Mogg wouldn't due to religious views, this place would be in absolute meltdown.
Personally I don't get hung up either way with rainbows or poppy's but I know some do, the hypocrisy shown on this thread if off the scale - baby! [Post edited 1 Dec 2024 13:16]
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To be absolutely clear, I would have no issue with any MP from any party choosing not to wear it in parliament in the same way I have no issue with Morsy not wearing it either. A post a couple further up summed most of it up fairly well.
I would have an issue with him re-tweeting most of what comes out of Adrew Tait's feed but without knowing the content of the specific tweet, I can't categorically state that I think he shouldn't have. Presumably the content of the specific tweet wasn't sufficient for the club or the FA to take action. However, most of what Tait stands for is utterly horrific. |  |
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| Will our captain on 14:24 - Dec 1 with 1306 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Will our captain on 13:58 - Dec 1 by tcblue |
I can never tell when you're joking |
I'm being deliberately silly to make a point about something which is also silly.
To suggest not wearing the laces/armband "indicates a section of society are unwelcome at itfc" is silly IMO. It indicates someone doesn't want to take part in a statement, for whatever reason. But to make the leap to say it goes further and suggests he thinks some are unwelcome at ITFC is ridiculous. It's AS ridiculous as suggesting I'm not welcome because Morsy doesn't eat pork. | |
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| Will our captain on 18:23 - Dec 1 with 1158 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Will our captain on 13:41 - Dec 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem to be avoiding Nthsuffolk's (reasonable) questions.
You say Morsy not wearing the laces/armband "indicates a section of society are unwelcome at itfc." Does Morsy not eating pork mean I'm unwelcome at ITFC because I like a bacon sandwich?! |
Christ all fcuking mighty! | |
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