| How much longer does McKenna have? 00:26 - Dec 4 with 8101 views | BornDeleuze |
Given it wouldn’t be a surprise for McKenna to move on after this season anyway how much longer do you think the board will accept this run of results before appointing someone else. Given Leicester have just done this and look rejuvenated when should we do the same. |  | | |  |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:22 - Dec 4 with 1472 views | baxterbasics |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:16 - Dec 4 by NthQldITFC |
I just always assume posters like this are yellow trolls; no genuine supporter could be so utterly thick. You just have accept that there's no filter for it and let it drift away in the wind like the chaff from cheap bird seed, whilst knowing that the reason for it is that the correct hierarchy of East Anglian football has been restored after a few grim years. |
I thought that initially: yellow troll, but checked the username and posting history suggested not.
You are right, some are just dense, deluded. |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:26 - Dec 4 with 1457 views | pointofblue |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 07:27 - Dec 4 by ibbleobble |
Even if we don’t win another game, he’ll still be here. How’s that? |
I don't think he will. But that's not because the club will sack him - it's because he will move on of his own accord. See Kompany. |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:45 - Dec 4 with 1418 views | Dennyx4 |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:22 - Dec 4 by baxterbasics |
I thought that initially: yellow troll, but checked the username and posting history suggested not.
You are right, some are just dense, deluded. |
Clearly a budgie, first ever post. |  | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:55 - Dec 4 with 1402 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:16 - Dec 4 by NthQldITFC |
I just always assume posters like this are yellow trolls; no genuine supporter could be so utterly thick. You just have accept that there's no filter for it and let it drift away in the wind like the chaff from cheap bird seed, whilst knowing that the reason for it is that the correct hierarchy of East Anglian football has been restored after a few grim years. |
Think people forget that we have inherited thousands of 'new' supporters who have watched town win two promotions and are now wondering what they are supporting.
It's just the nature of the beast and why Clubs do sometimes make managerial changes you least expect.
To many supporters KM has lots of credit, after all two promotions after 20 odd years of nothing, a relegation and many seasons in league 1, however there are thousands that weren't actively supporting the club in those times.
KM has effectively for me 1 seasons worth of credit, as promotion from the championship wasn't expected and he achieved it in his first season in it. I don't really think league 1 credit excists as the resources he had and the squad pretty much was put together for him. He still did the job of course and well done etc, but that level and that resource, a competent manger would have got us up
For me it's difficult to decide if the club should be loyal, after all he told two clubs he was leaving us. He did stay though, is that loyalty, or did he question his own ability? not sure, but to be off once and stay is loyal, but openly chat twice and effectively agree to leave twice then stay, I don't feel it's that loyal, but more that there was something else to it.
The difficulty is now though is what's the point of the board being loyal to KM IF results continue to be poor, if like Kompany, KM will be off in the summer, then what are the positives in keeping him until the end of season, what is the positives in doing that? isn't it better to have a manager in who can build a relationship with the current squad so that when teams come calling for them in the summer, the players feel comfortable with their current manager rather than not knowing how football will be under a new one.
So im not in the court of Bad results should lead to a sacking, but more of is it the sensible thing to do IF safety tooks unreachable at some point in the season. |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:55 - Dec 4 with 1407 views | ITFCson |
This run of results - You mean the run of beating Spurs away, drawing vs Man U at home and narrow defeats away to Forest and home to palace? This is the run of results you are referring too? | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:59 - Dec 4 with 1390 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:55 - Dec 4 by ITFCson |
This run of results - You mean the run of beating Spurs away, drawing vs Man U at home and narrow defeats away to Forest and home to palace? This is the run of results you are referring too? |
He probably means the 14 games we've played | |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:00 - Dec 4 with 1386 views | OldFart71 |
In no way is it KM's fault as to where we are. We seem to be unlucky with injuries this season to key players. If Morsy is suspended in the next few games who do we have to replace him. Nobody. We brought in 12 players who have in some cases performed well. some haven't adjusted or achieved what is required of them and a few have been injured. In the main we have performed well. We seem to have better results against those that play football rather than teams that grind as perhaps we are allowed more room to use our skills. KM needs several windows to adjust to what he needs. Unfortunately due to rules and the way things are set up he probably won't get that time. In horse racing if a horse keeps winning it is basically penalised by being given extra weight to carry. The reverse seems to apply in football where the most successful get the decisions, don't have to allow the same amount of away fans in their stadiums and obviously have more money to spend on players due to their income. | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:01 - Dec 4 with 1376 views | ITFCson |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:59 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
He probably means the 14 games we've played |
I guess it is hard to tell exactly what the OP means given how retarded the post is. | | | |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:23 - Dec 4 with 1347 views | dirtyboy |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:55 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Think people forget that we have inherited thousands of 'new' supporters who have watched town win two promotions and are now wondering what they are supporting.
It's just the nature of the beast and why Clubs do sometimes make managerial changes you least expect.
To many supporters KM has lots of credit, after all two promotions after 20 odd years of nothing, a relegation and many seasons in league 1, however there are thousands that weren't actively supporting the club in those times.
KM has effectively for me 1 seasons worth of credit, as promotion from the championship wasn't expected and he achieved it in his first season in it. I don't really think league 1 credit excists as the resources he had and the squad pretty much was put together for him. He still did the job of course and well done etc, but that level and that resource, a competent manger would have got us up
For me it's difficult to decide if the club should be loyal, after all he told two clubs he was leaving us. He did stay though, is that loyalty, or did he question his own ability? not sure, but to be off once and stay is loyal, but openly chat twice and effectively agree to leave twice then stay, I don't feel it's that loyal, but more that there was something else to it.
The difficulty is now though is what's the point of the board being loyal to KM IF results continue to be poor, if like Kompany, KM will be off in the summer, then what are the positives in keeping him until the end of season, what is the positives in doing that? isn't it better to have a manager in who can build a relationship with the current squad so that when teams come calling for them in the summer, the players feel comfortable with their current manager rather than not knowing how football will be under a new one.
So im not in the court of Bad results should lead to a sacking, but more of is it the sensible thing to do IF safety tooks unreachable at some point in the season. |
Anyone who thinks McKenna SHOULD be keeping us up has absolutely no understanding of how the game works.
Every single team we're up against have had mutiple seasons of PL money, they have PL training facilities, they have established scouting networks, established systems.
If you can't see how much catching up the club has to do (and boy are we catching up fast) then you need a head wobble.
We're still fielding players from L1 ffs. We've thrown pretty much as much cash as we can under FFP rules.
We're up against it in every single respect and yet......it's not good enough.
It really is a David v Goliath story in every single f*****g match.
And yet....we're close....we're really close.
We are still outperforming what's expected and that's because of the manager and players working their socks off.
Having Hirst out is a huge blow, failure on a striker etc...whatever!
We're not out yet.
We're missing a little bit, not a lot, just a bit, tiny tiny margins that we're punished for every single time.
I was absolutely gutted last night, it was the same for everyone.....but keep the perspective please.
McKenna has credit for relegation and to start next season in the Championship with full and unconditional support and that should be with everyone.
The emotions of last night should be dusted off and we reset and go again Sunday. |  | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:30 - Dec 4 with 1330 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:23 - Dec 4 by dirtyboy |
Anyone who thinks McKenna SHOULD be keeping us up has absolutely no understanding of how the game works.
Every single team we're up against have had mutiple seasons of PL money, they have PL training facilities, they have established scouting networks, established systems.
If you can't see how much catching up the club has to do (and boy are we catching up fast) then you need a head wobble.
We're still fielding players from L1 ffs. We've thrown pretty much as much cash as we can under FFP rules.
We're up against it in every single respect and yet......it's not good enough.
It really is a David v Goliath story in every single f*****g match.
And yet....we're close....we're really close.
We are still outperforming what's expected and that's because of the manager and players working their socks off.
Having Hirst out is a huge blow, failure on a striker etc...whatever!
We're not out yet.
We're missing a little bit, not a lot, just a bit, tiny tiny margins that we're punished for every single time.
I was absolutely gutted last night, it was the same for everyone.....but keep the perspective please.
McKenna has credit for relegation and to start next season in the Championship with full and unconditional support and that should be with everyone.
The emotions of last night should be dusted off and we reset and go again Sunday. |
for me it just depends on what KM's actual plans are, IF he's happy to go down and stay, keep him and lets go again IF we can't stay up this season, but if he is looking to leave, then I wouldnt leave it until the summer to do it.
But you are right, there shouldn't be any expectation of surviving, just hope.
90% will be in that mindset, but there will be thousands who don't care about the whys, and have come onboard the ipswich train seeing wins week in week out, that's why we have 30k attendances and why it dropped to 15k when we stopped winning and went downwards. | |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 11:00 - Dec 4 with 1289 views | Benters |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 07:28 - Dec 4 by Vaughan8 |
I think you might have to rewatch it. Maybe you dreamt it, I'm not sure......!
We are in a mini league, which we cannot beat any of them....and mostly.play poorly against.
Unfortunately that is a sign you're going down I'm afraid. |
Long way to go.
Never give up 👍 |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 11:05 - Dec 4 with 1272 views | Churchman |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 10:00 - Dec 4 by OldFart71 |
In no way is it KM's fault as to where we are. We seem to be unlucky with injuries this season to key players. If Morsy is suspended in the next few games who do we have to replace him. Nobody. We brought in 12 players who have in some cases performed well. some haven't adjusted or achieved what is required of them and a few have been injured. In the main we have performed well. We seem to have better results against those that play football rather than teams that grind as perhaps we are allowed more room to use our skills. KM needs several windows to adjust to what he needs. Unfortunately due to rules and the way things are set up he probably won't get that time. In horse racing if a horse keeps winning it is basically penalised by being given extra weight to carry. The reverse seems to apply in football where the most successful get the decisions, don't have to allow the same amount of away fans in their stadiums and obviously have more money to spend on players due to their income. |
Interesting post, which I do not disagree with.
The cards are stacked against us and it’s showing. Have we made recruitment mistakes? 12 players in you are bound to. But so what? At least we are trying. Better that than yellow rear end in the air City and never knowing if you could have done it.
Yes, KM needs time and so does the club. Everyone is learning including him. From his experience perspective he will gain more from this than easy wins v Forest Green and the like. Will he get time; does he want it? I hope so.
Unlike the OP, the owners and club Board need to hold their nerve. So do all the supporters, including the ‘McKenna out’ brigade who will no doubt grow in number, the OP being just about the first. Congratulations to him/her for December’s Idiot of the Month Award.
The only time I will question McKenna is if I see the players not trying. There is no sign of that and hasn’t been since Evans’ appalling ownership, if you can call it that, ended.
I am deeply disappointed with last night’s game. We were so poor. We look like a relegation team all day long. But you keep fighting, never stop, never give in. If you do that, what seems inevitable sometimes changes and good things happen.
As a little postscript, as I was driving home it was the exact year’s anniversary since I lost my dad - a great ITFC supporter. My disappointment and annoyance subsided. Perspective. He would always let me rage after a loss and not say a lot. He’d have a moan the following day but only after he’d reflected on it. A far better approach than my immediate bang the bonce on the dashboard approach😃.
Time, patience, keep going. |  | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 11:08 - Dec 4 with 1254 views | Dennyx4 |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 11:05 - Dec 4 by Churchman |
Interesting post, which I do not disagree with.
The cards are stacked against us and it’s showing. Have we made recruitment mistakes? 12 players in you are bound to. But so what? At least we are trying. Better that than yellow rear end in the air City and never knowing if you could have done it.
Yes, KM needs time and so does the club. Everyone is learning including him. From his experience perspective he will gain more from this than easy wins v Forest Green and the like. Will he get time; does he want it? I hope so.
Unlike the OP, the owners and club Board need to hold their nerve. So do all the supporters, including the ‘McKenna out’ brigade who will no doubt grow in number, the OP being just about the first. Congratulations to him/her for December’s Idiot of the Month Award.
The only time I will question McKenna is if I see the players not trying. There is no sign of that and hasn’t been since Evans’ appalling ownership, if you can call it that, ended.
I am deeply disappointed with last night’s game. We were so poor. We look like a relegation team all day long. But you keep fighting, never stop, never give in. If you do that, what seems inevitable sometimes changes and good things happen.
As a little postscript, as I was driving home it was the exact year’s anniversary since I lost my dad - a great ITFC supporter. My disappointment and annoyance subsided. Perspective. He would always let me rage after a loss and not say a lot. He’d have a moan the following day but only after he’d reflected on it. A far better approach than my immediate bang the bonce on the dashboard approach😃.
Time, patience, keep going. |
A good read, and indeed wise words from your late father. | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:15 - Dec 4 with 1215 views | BornDeleuze |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:22 - Dec 4 by baxterbasics |
I thought that initially: yellow troll, but checked the username and posting history suggested not.
You are right, some are just dense, deluded. |
Ok, given the response this has received I thought I’d clarify. First, I’m not a budgie. I’ve been an Ipswich fan since I was a child and my parents took me to Portman Road every other week. I was at Mick Mills’ testimonial and also at Wembley for the playoff final. I was also active on this board a decade or so ago but dropped away for various reasons.
I don’t want McKenna sacked. I think he’s done amazing things for our club and I’d like to reward that with loyalty. My post was more to do with the reality of contemporary football. After reading the interview with the American shareholder yesterday it struck me how he saw Ashton as the main man and not the manager. That kind of makes sense from a corporate viewpoint. My question was more to do with whether the current corporate owners of the club will be as loyal as us fans or could we see a point this season where the shareholders see McKenna as not sufficient for this league. If you think that’s a stupid thing to consider ok. I’d respond by saying the football world is now a business world and that can be brutal. | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:18 - Dec 4 with 1211 views | BornDeleuze |
Ok, given the response this has received I thought I’d clarify. First, I’m not a budgie. I’ve been an Ipswich fan since I was a child and my parents took me to Portman Road every other week. I was at Mick Mills’ testimonial and also at Wembley for the playoff final. I was also active on this board a decade or so ago but dropped away for various reasons.
I don’t want McKenna sacked. I think he’s done amazing things for our club and I’d like to reward that with loyalty. My post was more to do with the reality of contemporary football. After reading the interview with the American shareholder yesterday it struck me how he saw Ashton as the main man and not the manager. That kind of makes sense from a corporate viewpoint. My question was more to do with whether the current corporate owners of the club will be as loyal as us fans or could we see a point this season where the shareholders see McKenna as not sufficient for this league. If you think that’s a stupid thing to consider ok. I’d respond by saying the football world is now a business world and that can be brutal. | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:18 - Dec 4 with 1209 views | hype313 |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:15 - Dec 4 by BornDeleuze |
Ok, given the response this has received I thought I’d clarify. First, I’m not a budgie. I’ve been an Ipswich fan since I was a child and my parents took me to Portman Road every other week. I was at Mick Mills’ testimonial and also at Wembley for the playoff final. I was also active on this board a decade or so ago but dropped away for various reasons.
I don’t want McKenna sacked. I think he’s done amazing things for our club and I’d like to reward that with loyalty. My post was more to do with the reality of contemporary football. After reading the interview with the American shareholder yesterday it struck me how he saw Ashton as the main man and not the manager. That kind of makes sense from a corporate viewpoint. My question was more to do with whether the current corporate owners of the club will be as loyal as us fans or could we see a point this season where the shareholders see McKenna as not sufficient for this league. If you think that’s a stupid thing to consider ok. I’d respond by saying the football world is now a business world and that can be brutal. |
You do know that Mark Ashton is in charge of all footballing decisions don't you? |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:25 - Dec 4 with 1172 views | petieboy2011 |
Its a fair question when you look at other teams (I.e. Leicester sacking Cooper and getting in Ruud), however unlike Leicester, McKenna has far too much credit in the bank because of what he's done over the last two seasons.
Ashton and many others have admitted that we are ahead of schedule in terms of being in the Premier League sooner than expected. Whilst we would all like to stay in the Prem and build to become an established team in the top tier, the impression I get from all the interviews etc. is that IF we get relegated then it wont be seen as a complete and utter disaster because we would have given the Prem a right good go and we should have a squad + parachute payments to aid us in returning as soon as possible.
The only way I can see McKenna getting sacked is if we get thumped every week, playing the same old football and not giving it a go - which would only count against McKenna in his managerial career, so would never happen. |  | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:46 - Dec 4 with 1137 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
This can only be a post from a fair weather supporter who has no appreciation or understanding of the 'project' underway.
What many don't appear to appreciate is that the project is probably 2 years ahead of schedule. We'd have expected 2-3 seasons in the Championship, building and developing for our arrival in the top tier. We're there earlier than anticipated, and have needed to accelerate our squad development is a highly disruptive way. Many new signings, and under pressure to complete these, without the luxury of 'waiting' for the right player' in some instances.
If we get relegated this season (and it's still a big if), and promoted back up the following season, we will then have a stronger squad and better finances to establish ourselves - and still on track. If we stay up this season, we're then still ahead of schedule, and in a great place to strengthen further over the summer. | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 16:43 - Dec 4 with 1039 views | 3_5_2 |
a wind up yes?
As for Ruud let see if he does more than the new manager "bounce" West Ham are in free fall so don't read too much into that |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 16:50 - Dec 4 with 1018 views | Denny32 |
He will go first before he is sacked.as he knows only so much he can do here with the resources..how long is anyone's guess..but realistically he will stay and if we go down..he has a choice to make...will it be more of the same nxt season...a championship team with a season of Premiership experience and battling Again for survival if we go back up Again. Or call it a day and take up an offer from an established club who wants a good manager for that extra push for Europe...personally il see him leaving if we go down | | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 17:15 - Dec 4 with 980 views | ghostofescobar |
No, no, no, no……..I just despair sometimes. Have people always been this stupid, or is it just the internet that allowed them to multiply? |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 17:50 - Dec 4 with 940 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 09:16 - Dec 4 by NthQldITFC |
I just always assume posters like this are yellow trolls; no genuine supporter could be so utterly thick. You just have accept that there's no filter for it and let it drift away in the wind like the chaff from cheap bird seed, whilst knowing that the reason for it is that the correct hierarchy of East Anglian football has been restored after a few grim years. |
Well said.
Nobody that has seen the last few years could have any real doubt.
If we do go down then, so what.
Who here doubts that we would have a da..m good go at promotion again ?
Ramsey, Robson, KMcK.
You get a diamond, you hang onto them until they are taken from you. |  | | |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 18:05 - Dec 4 with 917 views | baxterbasics |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 12:15 - Dec 4 by BornDeleuze |
Ok, given the response this has received I thought I’d clarify. First, I’m not a budgie. I’ve been an Ipswich fan since I was a child and my parents took me to Portman Road every other week. I was at Mick Mills’ testimonial and also at Wembley for the playoff final. I was also active on this board a decade or so ago but dropped away for various reasons.
I don’t want McKenna sacked. I think he’s done amazing things for our club and I’d like to reward that with loyalty. My post was more to do with the reality of contemporary football. After reading the interview with the American shareholder yesterday it struck me how he saw Ashton as the main man and not the manager. That kind of makes sense from a corporate viewpoint. My question was more to do with whether the current corporate owners of the club will be as loyal as us fans or could we see a point this season where the shareholders see McKenna as not sufficient for this league. If you think that’s a stupid thing to consider ok. I’d respond by saying the football world is now a business world and that can be brutal. |
I should also clarify - my derogatory words and 'yellow' accusation were not aimed at you, but the person in the chat room yesterday who went straight to "McKenna's got to go"
You were at least more nuanced and considered than that! | |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 20:03 - Dec 4 with 855 views | J2BLUE |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 00:41 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't think he'll be sacked specifically.
But I'm not sure I feel he signed a new 4 year deal with a view of being here for 4 years. Imo it was done for two reasons. 1 for higher compensation. But also for psr purposes.
What wonder is if relegation is to happen then at the time we are no longer able to stay up.. that's when it may happen so the new manager could come in under current psr finances rather than in the champ. |
Not a chance in hell he gets sacked if we go down. |  |
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| How much longer does McKenna have? on 20:25 - Dec 4 with 833 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How much longer does McKenna have? on 20:03 - Dec 4 by J2BLUE |
Not a chance in hell he gets sacked if we go down. |
I wouldn’t have thought so. Maybe if we’re 15th at Christmas, but he’s got a LOT of credit in the bank. And is obviously a good manager/head coach. |  |
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