| Reform 06:58 - May 2 with 15286 views | Benters |
Well done.
They don’t like it up em 👍🇬🇧 |  |
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| Reform on 09:08 - May 2 with 971 views | onceablue |
| Reform on 08:10 - May 2 by Herbivore |
Whenever UKIP got into local government they were a complete car crash, the same will be the case with Reform. People will vote for them anyway as their base don't care about competence, they only care about kicking brown people out of the country. |
God you talk some sh@t |  | | |
| Reform on 09:10 - May 2 with 959 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 09:08 - May 2 by onceablue |
God you talk some sh@t |
Why don't you counter what you consider to be nonsense with some evidence and robust counter arguments?
Soundbites are all that's needed nowadays I guess.
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| Reform on 09:11 - May 2 with 963 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform on 08:19 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Like it or lump it Herbivore but the reason people are voting Reform is because of people like you.
Whenever people question the amount and speed of uncontrolled immigration they are called racist or idiotic schoolboy comments about a dislike of “Brown people”
You and your ilk have enabled the likes of Nigel Farage so suck it up baby.
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When you peddled this false narrative before I asked for evidence of posts where people had been called racist for wanting some control to immigration. There weren't any, but instead of holding your hands up you got in a huff, got abusive and then stropped off out of the thread never to return. Until now, when you've just ignored all that and trotted out the same bowlocks again.
I won't be surprised to see more abuse and your disappearing act again rather than debating the issue like an adult. |  |
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| Reform on 09:14 - May 2 with 932 views | Benters |
| Reform on 08:57 - May 2 by Smoresy |
Do you like it up you? |
Sometimes but only on my Birthday. | |
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| Reform on 09:14 - May 2 with 926 views | BlueForYou |
| Reform on 08:10 - May 2 by Herbivore |
Whenever UKIP got into local government they were a complete car crash, the same will be the case with Reform. People will vote for them anyway as their base don't care about competence, they only care about kicking brown people out of the country. |
In my own experience a few years back when some neighbours & I had a local issue we wanted resolved, we just wanted someone to stand up & help us whatever their politics. UKIP were the only party to listen & actually do something about it. The others were useless & didn't want to know us. |  | | |
| Reform on 09:15 - May 2 with 916 views | Trequartista |
Personally I think they would be an utter disaster, but we've had Conservatives being useless and Labour have done barely anything so its quite natural people will start to look elsewhere.
Immigration is great, even essential. Mass immigration at unprecented numbers and illegal immigration is a huge problem, made worse by the taboo the radical left put around it, so Reform are lapping that up.
Labour and the left need to get their act together pretty sharpish. |  |
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| Reform on 09:15 - May 2 with 910 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 09:11 - May 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
When you peddled this false narrative before I asked for evidence of posts where people had been called racist for wanting some control to immigration. There weren't any, but instead of holding your hands up you got in a huff, got abusive and then stropped off out of the thread never to return. Until now, when you've just ignored all that and trotted out the same bowlocks again.
I won't be surprised to see more abuse and your disappearing act again rather than debating the issue like an adult. |
Narratives are more important than evidence for many nowadays.
It's been a steady decline since social media started using algos to push news you already agree with to you but many will now believe it without question and others have lost their ability to apply critical thinking to what they read.
It's absolutely vital that more critical thinking skills are taught in schools or we are in for a very rough ride over the next few decades.
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| Reform on 09:16 - May 2 with 905 views | blueasfook |
| Reform on 09:05 - May 2 by BlueBadger |
Can I call a party who's openly racist and anti semitic leader addresses new nazi rallies and cosies up to billionaires who throw siege heels nazis though? [Post edited 2 May 10:57]
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What was that party that had problems with rampant anti-semitism under previous leadership again?
Limbour, Lambour? Something like that IIRC |  |
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| Reform on 09:19 - May 2 with 866 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 09:16 - May 2 by blueasfook |
What was that party that had problems with rampant anti-semitism under previous leadership again?
Limbour, Lambour? Something like that IIRC |
So is your point that because one party had a historical issue over 5 years ago under a different leadership it's OK for Reform to currently be outwardly racist?
If not then I'm not really sure what your point is.
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| Reform on 09:20 - May 2 with 847 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform on 09:16 - May 2 by blueasfook |
What was that party that had problems with rampant anti-semitism under previous leadership again?
Limbour, Lambour? Something like that IIRC |
Didn't think you were a fan of whatabouterry? Only when it suits I guess. | |
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| Reform on 09:20 - May 2 with 859 views | blueasfook |
Reform will keep making gains as long whichever ruling party (Labour/Con) fail to get a grip on immigration | |
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| Reform on 09:20 - May 2 with 841 views | TresBonne |
| Reform on 09:05 - May 2 by BlueBadger |
Can I call a party who's openly racist and anti semitic leader addresses new nazi rallies and cosies up to billionaires who throw siege heels nazis though? [Post edited 2 May 10:57]
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https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/news/investigation-antisemitism
Meh, I mean your beloved labour also struggle with anti semitism having been served an unlawful act notice, yet I doubt you would've called them that word. I know you will call this 'whataboutery' in an attempt to deflect from it but whatever. |  | | |
| Reform on 09:21 - May 2 with 844 views | SomethingBlue |
| Reform on 09:15 - May 2 by Trequartista |
Personally I think they would be an utter disaster, but we've had Conservatives being useless and Labour have done barely anything so its quite natural people will start to look elsewhere.
Immigration is great, even essential. Mass immigration at unprecented numbers and illegal immigration is a huge problem, made worse by the taboo the radical left put around it, so Reform are lapping that up.
Labour and the left need to get their act together pretty sharpish. |
I do struggle to take much of the "Labour haven't turned things around!" narrative seriously when they've been in for precisely 10 months. We were seeing headlines like that in 75% of the media within literally a couple of weeks. I think they've flip-flopped on some big issues so far, are not going to be the progressive government I'd really like and despair of them chasing Reform narratives/policies but it's clear as day that they've been set up for a fall by bad actors since day one. In addition they have not always helped themselves. In an era when nobody understands things take time, it's catnip to Reform and is what will see them to victory in a few years. Let's hope people are ready. [Post edited 2 May 9:22]
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| Reform on 09:22 - May 2 with 802 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform on 08:02 - May 2 by Benters |
That’s your view on it.
Mine is two tier isn’t a very good PM. |
You didn't think he was a very good PM before he was even PM. | |
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| Reform on 09:23 - May 2 with 785 views | Mullet |
| Reform on 08:19 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Like it or lump it Herbivore but the reason people are voting Reform is because of people like you.
Whenever people question the amount and speed of uncontrolled immigration they are called racist or idiotic schoolboy comments about a dislike of “Brown people”
You and your ilk have enabled the likes of Nigel Farage so suck it up baby.
…..downvoters will underline blindness. |
Isn't that really weak though?
Why is it so many far right accounts, pages, whatever have racism dripping through them and even more overtly underneath them in the comments? You only have to look at the radicalised types here, who dance about saying what they really mean to think that's not really typical of the thought process going on here.
Surely if people like Herbs are "making" them vote Reform and championing the oddbod mix of racists, crooks, fradusters etc that the Reform company are failing to vet, you're saying all these people are incredibly weak and can't think for themselves?
You seem to have that all arse about face. |  |
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| Reform on 09:24 - May 2 with 775 views | Benters |
| Reform on 09:20 - May 2 by blueasfook |
Reform will keep making gains as long whichever ruling party (Labour/Con) fail to get a grip on immigration |
‘Illegal immigration’. | |
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| Reform on 09:26 - May 2 with 752 views | Benters |
| Reform on 09:22 - May 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You didn't think he was a very good PM before he was even PM. |
True story take a uppie. | |
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| Reform on 09:26 - May 2 with 751 views | Bluecoin |
| Reform on 09:23 - May 2 by Mullet |
Isn't that really weak though?
Why is it so many far right accounts, pages, whatever have racism dripping through them and even more overtly underneath them in the comments? You only have to look at the radicalised types here, who dance about saying what they really mean to think that's not really typical of the thought process going on here.
Surely if people like Herbs are "making" them vote Reform and championing the oddbod mix of racists, crooks, fradusters etc that the Reform company are failing to vet, you're saying all these people are incredibly weak and can't think for themselves?
You seem to have that all arse about face. |
This is not a new thing. See Brexit. | | | |
| Reform on 09:28 - May 2 with 743 views | itfcjoe |
| Reform on 09:15 - May 2 by StokieBlue |
Narratives are more important than evidence for many nowadays.
It's been a steady decline since social media started using algos to push news you already agree with to you but many will now believe it without question and others have lost their ability to apply critical thinking to what they read.
It's absolutely vital that more critical thinking skills are taught in schools or we are in for a very rough ride over the next few decades.
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In this thread we have people talking about Nigel Farage as an 'actual Nazi', this critical thinking works both ways - it's hardly nuanced anti-Reform debate. |  |
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| Reform on 09:29 - May 2 with 714 views | Swansea_Blue |
Badger (as were many on here) was highly critical of Corbyn at the time, so you’re barking up the wrong tree there. |  |
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| Reform on 09:31 - May 2 with 698 views | Mullet |
| Reform on 09:28 - May 2 by itfcjoe |
In this thread we have people talking about Nigel Farage as an 'actual Nazi', this critical thinking works both ways - it's hardly nuanced anti-Reform debate. |
That's fair he's noted as a well documented racist and fascist in his past. Possibly more accurate to call him a fascist. His links to Neo-Nazis and use of their propaganda is a bit of a muddying of the waters.
It sill baffles me people excuse it so readily though. | |
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| Reform on 09:31 - May 2 with 699 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 09:24 - May 2 by Benters |
‘Illegal immigration’. |
Just over 35000 in 2024 or 0.05% by population or just over a full house at PR spread over the entire country. In 2024 31000 were forcefully returned from the UK [1].
How is this causing all the issues in the country? Can you outline exactly what issues you think it is causing and why this means you'd vote for and support a party like reform. Can you outline how they plan to stop it? Can you explain why the very large number of legal immigrants isn't the issue?
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[1]. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/unauthorised-migration | | | |
| Reform on 09:36 - May 2 with 644 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 09:28 - May 2 by itfcjoe |
In this thread we have people talking about Nigel Farage as an 'actual Nazi', this critical thinking works both ways - it's hardly nuanced anti-Reform debate. |
I think if you read my post again I've said there is a loss of critical thinking due to social media, I've not gone further than that.
Given that the upvotes are interesting. Almost like they didn't apply critical thinking to my post.
You are certainly right to highlight there can be a lack of critical thinking on both sides, however I do think that a study would show one side with the edge although that is a personal view and I have no such study to reference.
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| Reform on 09:49 - May 2 with 701 views | Guthrum |
I'm not in favour of Reform, disagree with them in many areas (deregulation, taxation, climate, immigration, mental healthcare, for a start). However, I am glad that there is an erosion of the previous duoploly between the "main" parties (Greens and LibDems also increasing).
The disappointing thing is the response of Lab and Cons is an attempt to "out-populist" Reform. A contest always doomed to failure as Reform have neither current reponsibility nor a track record of governing, so can promise whatever they like, practical or otherwise. |  |
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| Reform on 09:52 - May 2 with 845 views | DanTheMan |
| Reform on 09:20 - May 2 by blueasfook |
Reform will keep making gains as long whichever ruling party (Labour/Con) fail to get a grip on immigration |
Unfortunately, nobody wants to explain why we need it and why successive governments have relied on it regardless of ideology.
We can probably get rid of loads of immigration, it will just mean a lot higher taxes for everyone.
That won't be palatable though so we'll keep harping on about lowering immigration as if there are zero downsides. |  |
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