| Wtf are we doing? 16:05 - Sep 1 with 4665 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Our selling this summer has been insane.
Delap and Hutchinson fair enough.
Morsy.. you can see what’s happened.
Tuenzebe.. hmm shame but he deserved the move.
Burgess.. I wasn’t comfortable with it but it’s football.
Broady.. good money. Shame to lose him. But good money.
Woolfy.. uncomfortable with that.
And now Chaplin? Why? Just why? Ridiculous |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:22 - Sep 1 with 867 views | JakeITFC |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:16 - Sep 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it’s the fact they’ve all happened at one transfer window.
Individually they have obvious reasoning (Chaplin and burgess asides). But together at once.. we’ve lost the spine and soul of the team. |
Probably more than was planned but that's life really - I don't think any of them in isolation can be particularly hammered (I don't like losing Woolfenden but it's more the circumstances that have got us here and the Chaplin decision just seems like a weird thing to do this late for no financial benefit/to justify a replacement).
We had glorious days with these players but they were unlikely to give us them again. |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:25 - Sep 1 with 857 views | soupytwist |
Delap - release clause triggered, nothing we could do. Fairly happy with Hirst moving to first choice 9 and we now have someone who will probably put his starting place under serious pressure. Shame it took so long for that to happen.
Hutchinson - if he was making it difficult for him to stay then right that he left. We have the Norwegian as the “project” wide player that Hutch was when he first arrived. We also have Clarke/Philogene who should be nearer the level Hutch was at the end of the promotion season.
Tuanzebe - he used us to get his career back on track, we were able to use him as a very good right sided defender because he needed to get his career back on track. Always likely to be a marriage of convenience and he was still somewhat injury prone last season. Johnson has not turned out to be an upgrade in my view. Young might be a bit more like for like in the Championship but we don’t know yet.
Morsy - he probably wouldn’t have been guaranteed starter every week this season and we were only going to give him a contract that reflected that. Perhaps we should have looked at this situation more in the round and offered a contract that he was likely to be happy with. But letting him go without demanding a transfer fee was good of us.
Burgess - probably wouldn’t have been playing regularly this season, but he should have been our first choice left sided centre back as Greaves is no upgrade. Mistake.
Broadhead - hard to stop him going to Wrexham for more money and more security. And we got a good amount of money for him. However, the jury’s out on whether anyone who has joined us as a 10/wide forward can provide what he did. Philogene and Clarke not yet looking like they’re enough of an upgrade to justify their price tags. Probable mistake.
Woolfenden - McK doesn’t consider him a first choice centre back, he wants to play, best for everyone he leaves. Is Kipre a good enough alternative? Who knows but at least we have one.
Chaplin - we look like a McKenna team when he’s on the pitch. When he isn’t we don’t. Maybe we’ll evolve into a different kind of McKenna team but the combination of him and Morsy going means that there is a responsibility and values vacuum that is hard to quantify. Maybe others can step into that but it’s asking a lot of players that have not been part of the recent ‘journey’ and have not been at the club very long.
So some of the promotion team(s) have been treated well - Morsy, Broadhead, Tuanzebe, Hutchinson - as they’ve got financially advantageous moves they’re happy with. And they wouldn’t have got them without the contributions they’ve made.
Others less so. And in total, losing all that will probably damage us more than the sum of their individual parts. [Post edited 1 Sep 17:27]
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:25 - Sep 1 with 854 views | HighgateBlue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 16:30 - Sep 1 by tonybied |
I feel I'm quite a level-headed poster on here but I must admit I'm now rather worried about the direction of the squad. Our incomings have been somewhat lopsided and baffling in parts. Also, we seemed to have totally ripped up the team that took us so far, whilst also losing our best players from last year bar O'Shea.
This all feels like an extremely risky way of going about our way this season. I'm massively hopeful I'm just being a massive fanny, the squad settles and we're right up there. There is, though, a small part of me that worries this is totally the wrong approach and is going to cause another very unsettled season.
I was giddy after the signings at the back end of last week, but now things have calmed down I'm not sure I can make much sense of our thinking since the end of last season.
I am alone as one of the more optimistic posters on here starting to feel a bit discombobulated? Not looking for answers from the doom mongers just the level headed guys |
Lopsided and baffling is right.
Imagine someone came on here a few weeks ago with their "so, what do we reckon we need, lads?" post, and genuinely suggested:
Right backs: yeah, I know we've got two, but we really need two more.
Left backs: yeah, I know we've only got one, but I don't see the need for any more.
They would be laughed at as a total amateur.
So what the Dickens am I missing? How is that even a /rational/ decision?
And plainly we've got many problems that are a lot bigger than full back... |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:27 - Sep 1 with 833 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 16:18 - Sep 1 by Swailsey |
Because we didn’t offer him a longer deal… |
Right. So we should just offer players whatever they like?
Don't talk wet. His decision to not sign what was on the table. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:30 - Sep 1 with 814 views | itfc48 |
It's a two-way thing as well. I imagine some of the old guard probably felt it was the end of a mini era. Their time at Ipswich had most probably peaked and that it's now time to think about themselves both financially and in terms of playing time (some of them had accepted squad member roles whereas now, after a few years in that role probably want more minutes.) |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:32 - Sep 1 with 800 views | FifeITFC |
| Wtf are we doing? on 16:19 - Sep 1 by JakeITFC |
You've explained the rationale for all of them which doesn't really strike me as insanity. |
I think it's more a heart vs head tussle, to be honest.
We've trust the McKenna and the club before and look what they produced. I'm sure some scoffed at the transfers and decisions back then, but they came good.
I think they've done enough to give them a bit of credit to see if they can move forward and create again. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:35 - Sep 1 with 764 views | waveneyblue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 16:15 - Sep 1 by Swailsey |
Agreed. These new expensive players better deliver.
This is up there with Burgess for me - ludicrous decision. |
How many times do people need telling that we offered Burgess a contract, he wanted a longer one - so took it with Swansea.
Contracts are usually given out, with a thought process to the length of them. We (quite rightly) didn't think Burgess was worth 3 years at no doubt, higher wages.
That's not ludicrous, its footballing business. |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:36 - Sep 1 with 757 views | DecageBruce |
In the game in 3 words thread recently I put ‘Chaplin most creative’ and it is evident when he is on the pitch. He has his limitations and sometimes things don’t work but he adds just a little something else.
I hope this move is down to him asking what his first team prospects are and being told that they’re not as much as he would like. In that case, for him personally, I understand it but he will be missed.
Personally, my biggest concern is that we now don’t appear to have any of the ‘older heads’ who achieved so much previously, lifted themselves when needed and lived those amazing 2 years. Also, whenever I have seen anything from the club on social media which involves the players (I avoid a lot of social media) Chappers always seems to be at the centre of it. Whether it be training and setting standard, supporting others or taking the p*%% and building team spirit. I just don’t seem to see similar traits in any of of the new/fit squad and that worries me.
Rebuilds will happen but it is usually down to under performances or needing to level up. ‘Price wise’ we have levelled up but do we have enough strong senior heads now to set standards, pull us together and work with the coaching team and squad members to get us truely ‘levelled up’? |  | | |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:41 - Sep 1 with 712 views | southnorfolkblue |
I love Chappers, but he’s now a squad player and no more. Remember that the aims of the owners are that we become a stable PL club. Yes we have to get there first, but Chappers won’t be part of that future. It’s up to KM to show that his faith in SS and Akpom is justified | |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 17:46 - Sep 1 with 678 views | WicklowBlue |
My heart agrees with you Rommers! It is sad seeing all our favourites over the past few seasons move on.
However my head is saying:
This was always going to happen at some point, just perhaps not as many all at once.
After last season results, the squad needed more investment and more of the old guard wouldn't be getting much game time. They deserve to play elsewhere.
Up to McKenna to deliver results now though. |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:48 - Sep 1 with 660 views | itfcsuth |
Player trading. Sell low buy high, moneyball. |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:48 - Sep 1 with 661 views | strikalite |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:41 - Sep 1 by southnorfolkblue |
I love Chappers, but he’s now a squad player and no more. Remember that the aims of the owners are that we become a stable PL club. Yes we have to get there first, but Chappers won’t be part of that future. It’s up to KM to show that his faith in SS and Akpom is justified |
Yep agree, for a while he hasn't been good enough to force his way into the side or shown enough when he's come on, real shame because we all love him but it's a tough 'ol business.. |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:55 - Sep 1 with 624 views | TheBoyBlue |
For all that I am 100% behind McKenna & Ashton, Chaplin is a surprise. At the moment him and Cajuste are the only ones who do something different, see different passes, switch the play quickly and unpredictably.
However, I also know that McKenna & Ashton know more about football and running a successful football club than I ever will so I trust them. Presumably they see others who have come in capable of doing what Chaplin does and maybe even doing it better.
I will be sad to see him go though. | |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 18:32 - Sep 1 with 561 views | chicoazul |
So you’re saying the vast majority of our sales have been, well, fair enough really..? That seems to be WTF we are doing. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 18:43 - Sep 1 with 518 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:48 - Sep 1 by itfcsuth |
Player trading. Sell low buy high, moneyball. |
I don't like that philosophy. It will prove very expensive. It goes against the Hutchinson, Delap and Broadhead deals too. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 18:46 - Sep 1 with 506 views | BlueForYou |
Still can't get my head around the Burgess one. We only offered him one year, why? We could easily have afforded three. So that's we don't think much of him, when he's improved year on year, become a super reliable player, & for me, the captain. We bring in two defenders who aren't any better than him, then squeeze him out. Burgess is an international. The kind of player you build a good team around. I just can't see, what they see, in Greaves & O'Shea?? There is complete madness in the air! |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 18:48 - Sep 1 with 492 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:16 - Sep 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it’s the fact they’ve all happened at one transfer window.
Individually they have obvious reasoning (Chaplin and burgess asides). But together at once.. we’ve lost the spine and soul of the team. |
I know it means absolutely nothing, but I always felt that side rode the crest of a wave and got us back to back promotions. Had we not gone up in 23/24 and it took us another 2-3 years building a side capable of promotion, then I guarantee most of them wouldn’t have played a part in that.
It’s hard because we’ve got an emotional attachment to them given the 2 years they gave us, but we can’t keep them around forever for sentimental reasons. Times change, we’ve come in to a hell of a lot of money and we’re hoping these new signings prepare ourselves for a shot at the PL again.
I don’t think this is the first time McKenna has seen to be ruthless either, people forget he signed Ladapo and 6 months later replaced him with Hirst, and done the same with Harness and Broadhead.
You just have to hope that he can get a tune out of this new group like he did the old one, fingers crossed he can make it work.
I do dread to think what an early Sheffield United goal would do to the crowd at PR next week though…. [Post edited 1 Sep 18:49]
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| Trying to be a sustainable Premier League club on 18:51 - Sep 1 with 467 views | unstableblue |
Chaplin was poor in Prem, really poor, he’s not been brilliant this season.
OShea needs a win, simple as that. But a far better CB than Wolfie in a back 4.
They wanted to keep Burgess and Tuanzebe.
Broady was not a long term solution. Philogene is a far better player. Just needs win and a goal.
Nothing insane to see. BUT there is risk in the culture of the dressing room being maintained. And it is a risk. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 18:54 - Sep 1 with 434 views | pointofblue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 18:48 - Sep 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I know it means absolutely nothing, but I always felt that side rode the crest of a wave and got us back to back promotions. Had we not gone up in 23/24 and it took us another 2-3 years building a side capable of promotion, then I guarantee most of them wouldn’t have played a part in that.
It’s hard because we’ve got an emotional attachment to them given the 2 years they gave us, but we can’t keep them around forever for sentimental reasons. Times change, we’ve come in to a hell of a lot of money and we’re hoping these new signings prepare ourselves for a shot at the PL again.
I don’t think this is the first time McKenna has seen to be ruthless either, people forget he signed Ladapo and 6 months later replaced him with Hirst, and done the same with Harness and Broadhead.
You just have to hope that he can get a tune out of this new group like he did the old one, fingers crossed he can make it work.
I do dread to think what an early Sheffield United goal would do to the crowd at PR next week though…. [Post edited 1 Sep 18:49]
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With Ladapo and Harness it felt like we couldn't get our number one target but diverted. But we never lost sight of our preference. We very rarely do. Also see Clarke followed by Philogene. | |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 18:56 - Sep 1 with 416 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 18:43 - Sep 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't like that philosophy. It will prove very expensive. It goes against the Hutchinson, Delap and Broadhead deals too. |
I dont like it either..
It’s supposed to be buy low, sell high 😉 | |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 19:03 - Sep 1 with 386 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:25 - Sep 1 by HighgateBlue |
Lopsided and baffling is right.
Imagine someone came on here a few weeks ago with their "so, what do we reckon we need, lads?" post, and genuinely suggested:
Right backs: yeah, I know we've got two, but we really need two more.
Left backs: yeah, I know we've only got one, but I don't see the need for any more.
They would be laughed at as a total amateur.
So what the Dickens am I missing? How is that even a /rational/ decision?
And plainly we've got many problems that are a lot bigger than full back... |
Young is a very good left back, so we have cover in the full back places. We’ve also played Humphries there in the past. A bigger issue is the turnover of players imo. I always thought we’d judge success of the window based on how many players we could keep. On that front it’s been very poor. The newer (24/25-on) players really need to step up now because at the moment they’re not close to the 23/24 lot. Let’s see. Hopefully KM and the club have called it right. |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 19:03 - Sep 1 with 387 views | You_Bloo_Right |
"No sentiment in business" runs the old saw. Like it or not professional football has been a business since its inception and for a long time now foootballers have been "businessmen". |  |
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| Wtf are we doing? on 19:08 - Sep 1 with 360 views | braveblue |
We brought in a number of quality players. He would not get much playing time. Not long in contract. Move best for all involved. Squad now 25 max. Teams have to evolve. | | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 19:14 - Sep 1 with 322 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Wtf are we doing? on 17:41 - Sep 1 by southnorfolkblue |
I love Chappers, but he’s now a squad player and no more. Remember that the aims of the owners are that we become a stable PL club. Yes we have to get there first, but Chappers won’t be part of that future. It’s up to KM to show that his faith in SS and Akpom is justified |
Who playing behind the striker has shown prem potential.
None of them.
Feels like the emperors clothes to me.
Clarke, Philogene, Szmodics not even performing championship level yet |  | | |
| Wtf are we doing? on 19:14 - Sep 1 with 325 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Because he’s way down the pecking order now with all the attacking signings.
It really isn’t rocket science! |  |
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