| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ 16:03 - Oct 25 with 14359 views | MrPotatoHead |
Today. Surprised to read that, not sure what was difficult about it unless I’m missing something? |  | | |  |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 with 1236 views | stonojnr |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 by ernie |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |  | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 13:42 - Oct 26 with 1131 views | mrshallisfit |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:46 - Oct 26 by WeWereZombies |
Oh really ? What did Sir Bobby say about us ? |
He called the fans Zombies. | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 13:48 - Oct 26 with 1113 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 by stonojnr |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |
They does not make it a bad stat. Our seasons xG tally is nothing to do with the outcome of games and all to do with the perceived quality of shots we are taking or conceding.
So to answer Frimley, yes Egeli's shots count towards xG and those specific shots or situations are given a value that equates to a prediction of how often that type of shot or situation results in a goal. [Post edited 26 Oct 13:49]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 13:48 - Oct 26 with 1114 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 by stonojnr |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |
That just demonstrates that you don't really understand stats, probability, and the basis for these analysis. | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 13:57 - Oct 26 with 1092 views | SomethingBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Why are you so passive aggressive Chelts?
I mentioned the sales etc just as a base of the support that's already been provided by those in attendance, the rest of that support - the chants, the clapping etc comes from what happens on the pitch. imo it always has done and does across the country. So was just saying the support is 100% there
"Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince."
No it doesn't, it means as already mentioned, walton historically threw the ball out quickly and we drove up the pitch.. absolutely agree, he may felt everytime that wasnt on, that's fine in itself im not questioning it, but again, that's another area of something that then turns a crowd from quiet to ooooo look at us push- GO ON!!! etc
"Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed"
There's no narrative, i was simply explaining around that quote, how the crowds haven't witnessed many 'ipswich' goals so far this season. Reason for saying ignoring philogene and clarke, is that philogenes were mainly self made and clarkes have been tap ins or pen, but he's made the efforts to be in the right place, so there's no slight about his goals in anyway, but as a crowd, there's been barely any 'ipswich goals' that have come from the back, up the pitch and a goal scored, ala chappers v hull, a wes v coventry, etc
I think overtime when we start to see some of these chances being taken when we have progressed up the pitch, people will start to get more excited again i think, that trust of slowly building from the back will return ( altho lets be honest, even in 23/24 you still had many saying get rid of it....
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They haven't witnessed many of those goals in large part because teams set up completely differently against us to the way they did in 2023-24. [Post edited 26 Oct 13:58]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 14:38 - Oct 26 with 1025 views | Herbivore |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 by stonojnr |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |
That doesn't demonstrate that xG is a bad stat, what it demonstrates is that we missed good chances in that game (which we did) and Charlton took theirs (which they did). That happens sometimes. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 14:54 - Oct 26 with 982 views | Bobbychase |
Was in the lower Sir Bobby for both Charlton and WBA. Many, many people not prepared to get behind the team but happy to boo. Hirst has people on his back as soon as he gets on the pitch, ditto O'Shea. I have heard my share of nonsense down the years following Town and there have always been negative people but I was genuinely shocked this week. I don't blame McKenna at all and I think some of the crybabies now criticising him for being honest should maybe develop a thicker skin. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:01 - Oct 26 with 970 views | Nutkins_Return |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 by stonojnr |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |
You are just completely misunderstanding the point of the stat or I would call it more of an indicator.
Thats like saying someone missing a penalty makes a mockery of the statistic that players score 70% of the time or whatever the stat is.
Xg is just a statistical indicator of the likelihood of a scoring goals from certain chances/opportunities. Basically if you score less than that then you haven't been efficient with your chances. If you concede less than Xg then you have potentially either been lucky or potentially keeper had a blinder. Over a single game it's not really designed to be a great indicator but it does give a sense of how the game played out chances wise. It's generally a better indicator over a larger number of games. Over the course of a season it should map a bit better but you will get some outliers. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:10 - Oct 26 with 953 views | Churchman |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:22 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
This.
The ball went back to Walton early in the 2nd half and he stood on it and watched what was developing in front of him for maybe 6 or 7 seconds. The crowd, mainly the North stand started shouting at him to get rid of it. At the time it confused me, as no Albion player was coming near him, so started to wonder if some in our support don’t understand the 8 second rule.
Every time we played a loose ball, especially in the 2nd half the noise from all four corners of the ground was significant and at times louder than when we were having good possession, I’m used to hearing exasperated groans from the PR crowd, but in this game in particular it was more of a collective, aggressive “for focks sake”. For most of the 2nd half the place was totally silent and, it felt like the entire place could turn if we went a goal behind, then we have Hirst booed off by sections of the crowd, on top of some players getting criticism from supporters all season.
Then when McKenna mentions this, in as low a level as it’s possible to do, some get all riled up in a moment of “how dare he” energy. Whether people like it or not, compared to how Portman Road has been over the last 3 seasons, as a support we’re currently a pretty poor imitation of ourselves and this club has depended on that support to get them through. Think about that night vs Southampton, without the support that night we absolutely do not end up 3-2 winners.
I’m sure I’ll get a few ‘players need to earn it’ or ‘the spine of the team has been ripped out’ type responses. And yep you’re right they absolutely need to earn it but for gods sake, give them a chance to do so. And that spine of the team? Heroes everyone of them, of course. But at the same time, they all had a season in the Prem and with the exception of the two we sold in the summer, all showed that they weren’t good enough at that level. All those heroes were one promotion away from 80% saying they need to be moved on. So why not do it now.
We’ve got a new side. It’ll come together, keep the faith, support these players and find new heroes |
Your post is spot on. Sadly, despite my hopes coinciding with your last paragraph, I don’t think it will happen. That link between supporters, team and club is broken. It won’t come back sadly.
After what has happened, if I was McKenna I’d be off first opportunity. If I was Hirst it’d be thanks for the two seasons, on to the Agent, get me out of here. Same for Philogene, Clarke and one or two others who have had the treatment or are in line for it.
As for Ashton and the owners, if I were them, given the true nature of the support here breaking out, I’d be seriously considering whether there is a future with this club and maybe look to sell it on ASAP and invest elsewhere.
Sheffield Wednesday maybe or a club with real potential like them.
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:23 - Oct 26 with 923 views | Whos_blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:07 - Oct 26 by Herbivore |
That's just not true though. |
It is.
X/ facebook/ bloke in the pub after the game who call players c@nts* (delete as appropriate) said so. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:29 - Oct 26 with 903 views | Whos_blue |
I love the thin skinned responses on show here and on other threads.
We can call players c@nts and pussies, boo, clap sarcastically when substitutions are made, but please don't use mean and hurty phrases like "difficult atmosphere" against us.
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:32 - Oct 26 with 888 views | MrPotatoHead |
Agree with what plenty have said about it being flat. Probably plenty of reasons for that and also not a new thing at Portman Road, nor is it for about 80% of grounds in the EFL. I was surprised with McKenna’s choice of words, I wouldn’t say morgue like and a few moans and groans was ‘really, really difficult’ tbh. Remarkably supportive? Absolutely not. But really really difficult? Give over. | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:35 - Oct 26 with 877 views | waveneyblue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Why are you so passive aggressive Chelts?
I mentioned the sales etc just as a base of the support that's already been provided by those in attendance, the rest of that support - the chants, the clapping etc comes from what happens on the pitch. imo it always has done and does across the country. So was just saying the support is 100% there
"Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince."
No it doesn't, it means as already mentioned, walton historically threw the ball out quickly and we drove up the pitch.. absolutely agree, he may felt everytime that wasnt on, that's fine in itself im not questioning it, but again, that's another area of something that then turns a crowd from quiet to ooooo look at us push- GO ON!!! etc
"Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed"
There's no narrative, i was simply explaining around that quote, how the crowds haven't witnessed many 'ipswich' goals so far this season. Reason for saying ignoring philogene and clarke, is that philogenes were mainly self made and clarkes have been tap ins or pen, but he's made the efforts to be in the right place, so there's no slight about his goals in anyway, but as a crowd, there's been barely any 'ipswich goals' that have come from the back, up the pitch and a goal scored, ala chappers v hull, a wes v coventry, etc
I think overtime when we start to see some of these chances being taken when we have progressed up the pitch, people will start to get more excited again i think, that trust of slowly building from the back will return ( altho lets be honest, even in 23/24 you still had many saying get rid of it....
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Frimley, Chelts is one of the most reasonable and considered posters on here, where as you.... |  | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:40 - Oct 26 with 869 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 11:41 - Oct 26 by stonojnr |
the perfect demonstration of why xG is a bad stat to use was the Charlton game, they scored 3, with an xG of 1.4 I think, we scored none from a xG of 2.3.
so part of seasons xG tally now includes a game we got thoroughly beaten in and didnt score any goals. |
An interesting analysis would be to show how difference in xG between teams matches up with/differs from the match outcome.
EDIT: Looking at yesterday's Premier League matches that has all five matches won by the team with highest xG. https://xgscore.io/xg-statistics/epl
FURTHER EDIT: Last season our results matched xG in 19 out of 38 matches. The biggest outliers were: Everton winning 0-2 with a +0.44 xG, 1-1 with Leicester at PR despite them having +1.00 xG, us winning 1-2 at Wolves with only +0.49 xG, us beating Chelsea despite them having +0.11 xG, 2-2 at Fulham despite them having +1.21 xG, losing at home to Southampton despite having +0.77 xG, drawing at Villa despite them having +2.57 xG, Spurs beating us 1-4 despite only +0.44 xG, losing at Old Trafford with only -0.36 xG, winning at Bournemouth with -0.59 xG, drawing at Chelsea with -1.31 xG, losing at Leicester despite +0.58 xG and losing at home to West Ham despite only -0.08 xG. https://understat.com/team/Ipswich/2024
This would give us -1 pt v Everton, +1 pt v Leicester, +2 pts v Wolves (but very close to being likely to have won it on xG anyway), +2 pts v Chelsea, +1 pt v Fulham, -1 pt v Soton (close to -3 pts), +1 pt v Villa, -1 pt v Spurs, -1 pt v Man Utd, +2 pts v Bournemouth, +1 pt v Chelsea, -1 pt v Leicester, -1 pt v West Ham. That averages out as us gaining 4 more points than difference in xG would suggest we should have got.
I am sure there are tables showing league points against expected league points based on xG differences. I would imagine there is a pretty good correlation overall. [Post edited 26 Oct 16:08]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:45 - Oct 26 with 849 views | waveneyblue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 by ernie |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. |
Oh Ernie, you are a one arent you.
I wont specify what you are one off, as the swear filter wont let me.... | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:46 - Oct 26 with 850 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:35 - Oct 26 by waveneyblue |
Frimley, Chelts is one of the most reasonable and considered posters on here, where as you.... |
It's OK waveney I've been advised I've said nothing out of turn so I don't really need your input in this thread.
There's clearly again tho some trying to take me in the wrong direction. So I'll leave this thread here and you can just chat between yourselves. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:52 - Oct 26 with 840 views | waveneyblue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:46 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
It's OK waveney I've been advised I've said nothing out of turn so I don't really need your input in this thread.
There's clearly again tho some trying to take me in the wrong direction. So I'll leave this thread here and you can just chat between yourselves. |
Don't play the innocent, ive read through the thread and felt that I needed to defend Chelts.
So you get my input whether you want it or not. | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:55 - Oct 26 with 835 views | Kieran_Knows |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 14:54 - Oct 26 by Bobbychase |
Was in the lower Sir Bobby for both Charlton and WBA. Many, many people not prepared to get behind the team but happy to boo. Hirst has people on his back as soon as he gets on the pitch, ditto O'Shea. I have heard my share of nonsense down the years following Town and there have always been negative people but I was genuinely shocked this week. I don't blame McKenna at all and I think some of the crybabies now criticising him for being honest should maybe develop a thicker skin. |
I’ve said it time and time again, the problem this ‘group’ of players have is that they’re not the 23/24 squad. The amount of b0ll0x that goes the way of O’Shea, Greaves, Philogene or Szmodics when we lose because it’s not Woolfie, Burgess, Broadhead or Chaplin is quite frankly insane.
This lot had no chance before a ball was even kicked in some people’s eyes. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:07 - Oct 26 with 789 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:55 - Oct 26 by Kieran_Knows |
I’ve said it time and time again, the problem this ‘group’ of players have is that they’re not the 23/24 squad. The amount of b0ll0x that goes the way of O’Shea, Greaves, Philogene or Szmodics when we lose because it’s not Woolfie, Burgess, Broadhead or Chaplin is quite frankly insane.
This lot had no chance before a ball was even kicked in some people’s eyes. |
As I've mentioned. All of the lot that left in the summer with the exception of Delap and Hutchinson, were integral parts of the team that only managed one win at home all season.
They proved without any doubt, however much emotion we want attach to them, that they can't do it at that level. On that basis, better to move them on, its not too much of a stretch to say that maybe quite a few of them saw the writing on the wall regarding their performances in the Prem, and given the clubs trajectory, felt it was time to go.
I dare say the club would rather have moved some of those departees in the January window rather than all at once in the summer, but we are where we are. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:21 - Oct 26 with 735 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 15:45 - Oct 26 by waveneyblue |
Oh Ernie, you are a one arent you.
I wont specify what you are one off, as the swear filter wont let me.... |
Ernie: "We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday"
So I imagined Nunez firing a free kick just over the bar, Akpom hitting the bar, Azon having a shot smothered by the keeper, blocked shots, Egeli missing good chances, Azon missing good ones, Clarke squaring the ball when he should have shot, etc, etc. But Ernie's recollection will be more accurate than xG. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:27 - Oct 26 with 716 views | patrickswell |
I was at the game today - my first visit to Portman Road since February 2023 - and around me, people were generally quite downbeat in the first half, something which seems both slightly understandable after a poor week, and completely incomprehensible given that three weeks ago, the pubs were nearly running out of beer after we beat Norwich.
I can only guess that after seeing us taken apart in the second half of last season in the Premier League, and Charlton being so clinical on Tuesday, that fans have become a little fatalistic every time we give the ball away or anyone runs at us. At half time I heard someone behind me say that the 23/24 promotion was from an overachieving squad, and couldn’t be compared with the underachievement of the present squad.
Personally, Blue Action could do worse than commission a banner of a comment I saw on here a few days ago that this season is going to be a fight rather than a procession, and that we need, as fans, to be up for that fight.
That being said, I didn’t get any sense of the crowd turning on the team or getting over frustrated. The game and the crowd were both subdued in the first half, which wasn’t helped by the injuries. Everything warmed up a bit more in the second half, especially once more players started linking up in the attacks - in the first half, it was a case of Philogene or nothing.
Defensively, we looked like we’d taken McKenna’s words to heart and we looked like we were defending as a team, when we needed to. However, West Brom were a dead loss as an attacking force.
Ultimately, it was a deserved win and McKenna’s post match comments about how winning a match like that, in the manner that we did, could be very beneficial to us, were spot on. Indeed, we could do with a few more fighting victories, especially away from home. [Post edited 26 Oct 19:02]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:58 - Oct 26 with 644 views | Ryorry |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:27 - Oct 26 by patrickswell |
I was at the game today - my first visit to Portman Road since February 2023 - and around me, people were generally quite downbeat in the first half, something which seems both slightly understandable after a poor week, and completely incomprehensible given that three weeks ago, the pubs were nearly running out of beer after we beat Norwich.
I can only guess that after seeing us taken apart in the second half of last season in the Premier League, and Charlton being so clinical on Tuesday, that fans have become a little fatalistic every time we give the ball away or anyone runs at us. At half time I heard someone behind me say that the 23/24 promotion was from an overachieving squad, and couldn’t be compared with the underachievement of the present squad.
Personally, Blue Action could do worse than commission a banner of a comment I saw on here a few days ago that this season is going to be a fight rather than a procession, and that we need, as fans, to be up for that fight.
That being said, I didn’t get any sense of the crowd turning on the team or getting over frustrated. The game and the crowd were both subdued in the first half, which wasn’t helped by the injuries. Everything warmed up a bit more in the second half, especially once more players started linking up in the attacks - in the first half, it was a case of Philogene or nothing.
Defensively, we looked like we’d taken McKenna’s words to heart and we looked like we were defending as a team, when we needed to. However, West Brom were a dead loss as an attacking force.
Ultimately, it was a deserved win and McKenna’s post match comments about how winning a match like that, in the manner that we did, could be very beneficial to us, were spot on. Indeed, we could do with a few more fighting victories, especially away from home. [Post edited 26 Oct 19:02]
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That's informative and seems a well-balanced, measured post to one who wasn't there.
Going by 5live's reporting from Molineux at ft this afty, maybe KM and our players should count their blessings! |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 17:29 - Oct 26 with 582 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:58 - Oct 26 by Ryorry |
That's informative and seems a well-balanced, measured post to one who wasn't there.
Going by 5live's reporting from Molineux at ft this afty, maybe KM and our players should count their blessings! |
What did the Wolves faithful do? | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 17:47 - Oct 26 with 527 views | PhilTWTD |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:21 - Oct 26 by Plums |
On the Walton thing:
I watched on TV yesterday and could hear him being yelled at for doing exactly what he did so successfully in League One. I vividly remember him standing on the ball during that great night at Barnsley for 20, possibly 30 seconds waiting for their striker to lose patience and come onto him so we could pass through them.
At times he threw the ball out, at times he held it back. It's almost as though as a team we're being set up to find different solutions to the problems presented by the opposition.
For fans to suddenly berate a keeper for doing his job and clearly following instructions is absolutely mystifying. |
Not sure there would have been much gained by Walton throwing the ball out early yesterday as West Brom committed so few men forward that we were never going to catch them short by getting forward quickly in that manner. They really were extremely unadventurous for a side you would have thought would see themselves as a play-off contender. |  | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 17:53 - Oct 26 with 493 views | Kieran_Knows |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 17:47 - Oct 26 by PhilTWTD |
Not sure there would have been much gained by Walton throwing the ball out early yesterday as West Brom committed so few men forward that we were never going to catch them short by getting forward quickly in that manner. They really were extremely unadventurous for a side you would have thought would see themselves as a play-off contender. |
I called them industrial yesterday, and that was being very generous. | |
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