| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement 08:02 - Mar 25 with 6641 views | AlpineBlue |
So people saying we are all being dramatic. If I wear my Town shirt somewhere in the UK today, it feels like I am advertising myself as a Reform supporter.
I hope the club and sponsors understand that I and my family will not be buying and Ipswich Town replica shirts next season. I'd be surprised we are alone in this. |  | | |  |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:48 - Mar 25 with 877 views | goperryrevs |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:43 - Mar 25 by JakeITFC |
This isn’t something that’s going away sadly Sitters. |
Exactly, and like I said, even more so for those of us who live or travel outside of Ipswich. | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:49 - Mar 25 with 871 views | Ryorry |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:04 - Mar 25 by SitfcB |
What a load of bòllocks. I thought we had gone passed the stage of people losing their heads, looks like we’re in for another day of it. |
You really don’t understand, particularly how it is for those of us living far away from E Anglia.
Round here in rural North Yorkshire where 99.9% of the population know nothing about ITFC except that I’m a big fan who won’t stop for the usual chat on a match day when we’re about to k/o and I need to hurry back from walking the mutt - my club, and myself by association, are now linked with a racist, xenophobic, intolerant, inflammatory, despicable man, who only a tiny minority round here have any time for (from chats at polling stations and elsewhere).
Embarrassing, and very sad - I’ve previously always been proud to be a supporter of a club known for its family values.
The only positive to be taken is that Ashton will eventually move on, while I’ll still be a supporter & then feel able to wear a Town shirt in public again round here. |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:52 - Mar 25 with 825 views | bsw72 |
Angry with the club to allow itself to end up in this position is one thing - to take that to the level where supporters feel wearing the shirt is like advertisinfg yourself as a reform supporter is frankly a somewhat tenuous leap. |  | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:52 - Mar 25 with 830 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:42 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
not allowing any political parties to use the club facilities would be a very sensible policy. they should announce it now. but it clearly wasn't the policy when the tour was booked. equally the club clearly doesn't restrict the use of tour images on social media - i assume everyone does it. again such a restriction would be good. but not having those rules and banning farage alone and after the tour was booked would be a very political act - the fact that he is hated on here is not representative of the wider ipwsich community or town supporters more widely. |
The club doesn't need rules to position itself differently to the way it has. And in doing so it would not have offended in any way that percentage of town fans.
I really don't understand your point with the 'gotcha' of polls suggesting town has plenty of reform backing fans. No one is denying it, it simply has no bearing. The fact that he is a politician and a controversial one and a divisive one, cannot be denied. That's not good, and will cause division and controversy. The fact that many will not be bothered by that and don't see it as controversial takes nothing away from the fact that he is what he is and it has caused what it has caused. 'But but but many town fans don't mind' good for them... So what? |  | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:55 - Mar 25 with 810 views | bartyg |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:52 - Mar 25 by bsw72 |
Angry with the club to allow itself to end up in this position is one thing - to take that to the level where supporters feel wearing the shirt is like advertisinfg yourself as a reform supporter is frankly a somewhat tenuous leap. |
You can argue whether they're being reasonable or not (they are) but the fact is it's an entirely unforced error, and it has led people to feel that way |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:55 - Mar 25 with 789 views | bartyg |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:42 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
not allowing any political parties to use the club facilities would be a very sensible policy. they should announce it now. but it clearly wasn't the policy when the tour was booked. equally the club clearly doesn't restrict the use of tour images on social media - i assume everyone does it. again such a restriction would be good. but not having those rules and banning farage alone and after the tour was booked would be a very political act - the fact that he is hated on here is not representative of the wider ipwsich community or town supporters more widely. |
Personal social media is not the same as branded political party social media | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:58 - Mar 25 with 747 views | lowhouseblue |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:52 - Mar 25 by Axeldalai_lama |
The club doesn't need rules to position itself differently to the way it has. And in doing so it would not have offended in any way that percentage of town fans.
I really don't understand your point with the 'gotcha' of polls suggesting town has plenty of reform backing fans. No one is denying it, it simply has no bearing. The fact that he is a politician and a controversial one and a divisive one, cannot be denied. That's not good, and will cause division and controversy. The fact that many will not be bothered by that and don't see it as controversial takes nothing away from the fact that he is what he is and it has caused what it has caused. 'But but but many town fans don't mind' good for them... So what? |
all politicians are "controversial and divisive" - it's the nature of political disagreement. you are excited about farage specifically because you hate him and most people on here hate him. the club shouldn't be pushed in one direction by a relatively small number of people active on social media or websites - and there is no evidence that your views and hatred typify most supporters.
so you can avoid the issue by having a club rule that no national politicians are welcome and that would be fine. but it can't be a selective rule based on who you, and others on here, particularly strongly hate. |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:59 - Mar 25 with 740 views | Butterbing |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:52 - Mar 25 by bsw72 |
Angry with the club to allow itself to end up in this position is one thing - to take that to the level where supporters feel wearing the shirt is like advertisinfg yourself as a reform supporter is frankly a somewhat tenuous leap. |
It's not tenuous at all. Look through the forum at the examples people have given of being associated with Farage by others. I have seen people talking of "Reform FC" memes, being heckled with "NIgel Farage is a Blue", messages from others mocking and questioning. Fair enough, you may not have experienced this but clearly others have and are. The link is not tenuous currently to many. It is a clear, direct link between ITFC and Farage as the club allowed him to use us for his policitical propoganda. |  | | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:00 - Mar 25 with 721 views | lowhouseblue |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:55 - Mar 25 by bartyg |
Personal social media is not the same as branded political party social media |
ok so the club should have a rule to that effect. it doesn't seem to currently. | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:02 - Mar 25 with 713 views | NewcyBlue |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:25 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If I were you I'd explain to my kids what a nasty barsteward Farage is and what he stands for. I'd also explain that Ipswich Town are the finest football team the world has ever seen. One holding up the shirt of the other doesn't change either of those things or link them.
I for one and not going to let that prick and his stunt take my team away from me. |
How would you explain why the club are providing the platform and opportunity for such people?
How would you explain that whilst it doesn’t align with your morals and values that you accept it from the club?
Personally I want my kids to be surrounded by positive influences, and being involved in organisations and clubs that do not legitimise hatred in any form.
It’s genuinely given me pause for thought. |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:17 - Mar 25 with 655 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:58 - Mar 25 by lowhouseblue |
all politicians are "controversial and divisive" - it's the nature of political disagreement. you are excited about farage specifically because you hate him and most people on here hate him. the club shouldn't be pushed in one direction by a relatively small number of people active on social media or websites - and there is no evidence that your views and hatred typify most supporters.
so you can avoid the issue by having a club rule that no national politicians are welcome and that would be fine. but it can't be a selective rule based on who you, and others on here, particularly strongly hate. |
Yet another straw man. No one is being selective. You say yourself that it hasn't happened ever before, with any other party, so how can it be a selective rule based on who 'we' hate?! I'm broadly a labour supporter, broadly left of centre, but it would have been a similar mess and similarly disappointing if a labour bigwig, or even the greens had paraded round and acted like town were partnering up with them.
Starter holding up a town shirt would have been just as problematic. Farage brings an extra level of controversy, because of who he is and what he represents. And I say again, on deaf ears, why is that difficult? Why is that some kind of twtd lefty cabal? It's not, millions upon millions of people across the country near and far detest all that they stand for. Millions and millions don't. Again, so what? One doesn't negate the other. Utterly baffling that you seem to still think it does or has any bearing on people's right to be annoyed. | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:21 - Mar 25 with 628 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:35 - Mar 25 by AlpineBlue |
Well the obvious answer to that is neither. Not to compare apples and oranges, but the fact that their management sold Nunez to us tells you that their ownership cares even less about the fanbase than ours does. If Farage had done the same thing there as at Portman Road, I think they'd have let him too. And their fans would be just as divided as ours are about it.
When someone has been thrown under the bus for this debacle and a less mealy mouthed statement comes from the club, I might feel better about this. |
Figured you'd sit on the fence and not be able to give a answer.
Not one for wearing shirts on non matchdays but I've just put on the Ed Sheeran one from a few years ago. Says divide on the front. Seems quite apt. |  | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:47 - Mar 25 with 546 views | GeoffSentence |
Certainly can't wear the black shirt now. |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:50 - Mar 25 with 532 views | bsw72 |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:59 - Mar 25 by Butterbing |
It's not tenuous at all. Look through the forum at the examples people have given of being associated with Farage by others. I have seen people talking of "Reform FC" memes, being heckled with "NIgel Farage is a Blue", messages from others mocking and questioning. Fair enough, you may not have experienced this but clearly others have and are. The link is not tenuous currently to many. It is a clear, direct link between ITFC and Farage as the club allowed him to use us for his policitical propoganda. |
No-one I know will ever assume that my wearing club related wear means I have any support or affiliation for Reform or Farage.
And those that don't know me, I don't really care how they choose to perceive me - that's not my issue, that's theirs. | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:54 - Mar 25 with 512 views | NedPlimpton |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:50 - Mar 25 by bsw72 |
No-one I know will ever assume that my wearing club related wear means I have any support or affiliation for Reform or Farage.
And those that don't know me, I don't really care how they choose to perceive me - that's not my issue, that's theirs. |
Good for you
Like i've said, my wife has already made the decision not to wear her ipswich hat on holiday this weekend as she'd rather not invite conversation from people about Reform. Regardless of whether they perceive her to be a supporter or not, she just doesn't want to entertain the conversation
That's her choice and it's completely understandable [Post edited 25 Mar 10:54]
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:54 - Mar 25 with 506 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:49 - Mar 25 by Ryorry |
You really don’t understand, particularly how it is for those of us living far away from E Anglia.
Round here in rural North Yorkshire where 99.9% of the population know nothing about ITFC except that I’m a big fan who won’t stop for the usual chat on a match day when we’re about to k/o and I need to hurry back from walking the mutt - my club, and myself by association, are now linked with a racist, xenophobic, intolerant, inflammatory, despicable man, who only a tiny minority round here have any time for (from chats at polling stations and elsewhere).
Embarrassing, and very sad - I’ve previously always been proud to be a supporter of a club known for its family values.
The only positive to be taken is that Ashton will eventually move on, while I’ll still be a supporter & then feel able to wear a Town shirt in public again round here. |
Those people won't think of you as racist, xenophobic, intolerant or inflammatory though will they? |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:56 - Mar 25 with 497 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 09:59 - Mar 25 by Butterbing |
It's not tenuous at all. Look through the forum at the examples people have given of being associated with Farage by others. I have seen people talking of "Reform FC" memes, being heckled with "NIgel Farage is a Blue", messages from others mocking and questioning. Fair enough, you may not have experienced this but clearly others have and are. The link is not tenuous currently to many. It is a clear, direct link between ITFC and Farage as the club allowed him to use us for his policitical propoganda. |
It's called bantz, and is to be expected. Laugh it off FFS. | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:00 - Mar 25 with 463 views | Norfolk_north |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:56 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's called bantz, and is to be expected. Laugh it off FFS. |
Ah the classic "bantz". I don't know about you but if people were associating me with a horrifically racist organisation I wouldn't see it as banter. | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:02 - Mar 25 with 456 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:02 - Mar 25 by NewcyBlue |
How would you explain why the club are providing the platform and opportunity for such people?
How would you explain that whilst it doesn’t align with your morals and values that you accept it from the club?
Personally I want my kids to be surrounded by positive influences, and being involved in organisations and clubs that do not legitimise hatred in any form.
It’s genuinely given me pause for thought. |
I would explain that Reform are very good at stunts and using them to divide people - and this is actually what they've done. The club have been very naive - but that doesn't then follow that they support racism.
You could show your kids all the positive influences and initiatives the club have already been involved in. I don't think this one mistake should outweight all them. | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:05 - Mar 25 with 420 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 10:50 - Mar 25 by bsw72 |
No-one I know will ever assume that my wearing club related wear means I have any support or affiliation for Reform or Farage.
And those that don't know me, I don't really care how they choose to perceive me - that's not my issue, that's theirs. |
Equally I don't think people determin what music I like when I walk around with Ed Sheeran's tour written on the front of my Ipswich shirt. It would be barmy for anyone, whether they knew me or not, to assume that meant I liked his music. | |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:06 - Mar 25 with 411 views | Blue_Moses |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 08:19 - Mar 25 by jasondozzell |
Exactly this.
Now everyone thinks we're the Reform team.
It's so embarrassing and shameful.
And Ashton doubling down on it with that statement is unacceptable.
No problem with anyone doing the tour. But they knew they were using the club for party political broadcast.
Everyone is normally fairly fond of ITFC when you meet them travelling. Now we'll be looked at with suspicion. |
I think I recall seeing Steve Wright wear a town shirt once, does everyone think you are a serial killer? | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:07 - Mar 25 with 402 views | Norfolk_north |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:05 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Equally I don't think people determin what music I like when I walk around with Ed Sheeran's tour written on the front of my Ipswich shirt. It would be barmy for anyone, whether they knew me or not, to assume that meant I liked his music. |
Liking his music could potentially be worse than liking Farage's politics | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:08 - Mar 25 with 405 views | NedPlimpton |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:06 - Mar 25 by Blue_Moses |
I think I recall seeing Steve Wright wear a town shirt once, does everyone think you are a serial killer? |
This may be the dumbest comment i've ever seen on here | | | |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:08 - Mar 25 with 404 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 08:13 - Mar 25 by waveneyblue |
What an utterly ridiculous statement.
Wearing a town shirt advertises yourself as some kind of Reform supporter?
Is there some kind of competition in place on who can post the most ludicrous take on the situation? |
You said somewhere else that you didn't care about politics, that's why you can't see that what Farage did on Monday has tainted the ITFC brand to the point where:
1. People who don't support Farage are really torn as to whether they wear/buy ITFC merch
2. People who do support Farage will be even prouder to wear/buy ITFC merch
3. People (like you) who say they don't care and will wear ITFC merch anyway will be lumped in with 2. by non-football people who see you wearing it - whether you like it or not. |  |
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| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:08 - Mar 25 with 404 views | NewcyBlue |
| The crux of the problem? To wear a Town shirt is now a political statement on 11:02 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I would explain that Reform are very good at stunts and using them to divide people - and this is actually what they've done. The club have been very naive - but that doesn't then follow that they support racism.
You could show your kids all the positive influences and initiatives the club have already been involved in. I don't think this one mistake should outweight all them. |
Ah, you think it was some sort of clever stunt they pulled, filming a political party broadcast without the clubs permission.
Carry on Dollers… | |
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