| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:04 - Jun 9 with 1700 views | jasondozzell |
This is just Talksport pushing the same story. There's nothing new as others have said.
A decade of KM please. We're halfway through. |  | |  |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:04 - Jun 9 with 1691 views | giant_stow |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:30 - Jun 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I reckon McKenna would also be backing himself to turn that run of mid-table finishes into something like 10th, 8th….in which case coupled with playing a decent brand of football would see him firmly in the window for bigger jobs
I’ve no doubt he’ll be backing himself to succeed here too but still will know that staying up is a huge ask, and probably even achieving par in battling well but ultimately succumbing to relegation will hurt his reputation, so I can definitely see why he’d be interested |
Your second para kind of describes what happened to Farke (more or less). Then he got sacked, went abroad, failed and had to rebuild almost from scratch from the championship. Sorry to say it, as I like loyalty, but your man would be crazy to turn down Fulham (if given the option). |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:06 - Jun 9 with 1647 views | SitfcB |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 11:53 - Jun 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Alex Crook does seem to get a lot of early calls right.
Suspect others may follow. |
He gets a lot wrong though, don’t trust him at all, he works for Talksport. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:07 - Jun 9 with 1635 views | dirtyboy |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:58 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
I hope he stays, but will fully understand it if he goes. It’d be a big step up but an intermediate one. He will be after a Sky Six job and Fulham is a perfect stepping stone.
Pretty much guaranteed not to be relegated, every chance to propel Fulham further up the league and a supportive crowd. If he does that for a couple of seasons, he’ll be in the frame for the job he really wants.
He has everything to lose and little to gain by staying here because his chances with our budget and still forming set up are so limited. He’s also been here a long time and everything has a shelf life. Added to that is if we don’t survive, his reputation really will take a hit.
What will be will be and the club is bigger and far more important than him. People come and go. I just hope they have been contingency planning and speculation is not allowed to drag on. All parties - make a decision and move on. |
Our budget will be vastly higher than the previous stint in the Premier League, so I do expect us to make some significant signings.
Fulham's team is currently a much higher base to work from, but Ipswich is improving rapidly and the 'project' here at Ipswich is pretty outstanding in all honesty.
It's a club that could, with a little bit of luck and a fair wind, be fighting Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth and Crystal Palace this season.
Sunderland proved that the writing isn't on the wall, i'm not saying 'do a Sunderland' but if McKenna keeps us up, and I believe with some decent recruitment and experience coming in, he cements himself as a contender for any job in the country.
Does keeping Fulham midtable do that? |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:08 - Jun 9 with 1614 views | Vaughan8 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:06 - Jun 9 by SitfcB |
He gets a lot wrong though, don’t trust him at all, he works for Talksport. |
I might be wrong be he doesn't really come with any exclusives? Just sees/knows other people who tell him and he breaks it on Talk sport, minutes after its broken online?
Maybe man Utd he might have insider info. I guess nowhere else.
Regarding McKenna, I'm at peace if he goes. I'd say Fulham are a more established club for now, but if he starts badly, he could be out of a job within a few months and damage his reputation a bit.
Depends what he wants and he only knows that. Loyalty in football is pretty much non-existent. [Post edited 9 Jun 13:10]
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:09 - Jun 9 with 1604 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:30 - Jun 9 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I reckon McKenna would also be backing himself to turn that run of mid-table finishes into something like 10th, 8th….in which case coupled with playing a decent brand of football would see him firmly in the window for bigger jobs
I’ve no doubt he’ll be backing himself to succeed here too but still will know that staying up is a huge ask, and probably even achieving par in battling well but ultimately succumbing to relegation will hurt his reputation, so I can definitely see why he’d be interested |
Especially with so many "mid table teams" playing in Europe this year.
Big chance to kick on in the league. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:09 - Jun 9 with 1598 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 by squiz |
Yeah well said. Thats where I'm at. The KOA podcast made the same point about Carrick and Rosenior (and Maresca) and they've all got 'bigger' jobs than he has.
2 relegations on his CV wouldn't look good so wouldn't be too surprised to see him go sadly. Maybe it won't be Fulham, but maybe someone else in November when the merry go round is in full swing (and we'll have a better idea of how our season is going). |
People keep saying this "2 relegations on his CV" thing as if we're definitely going down and Fulham are definitely staying up!
Maybe he goes to Fulham and they go down, which means 2 relegations on his CV and with two different clubs, which is surely worse! |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:10 - Jun 9 with 1572 views | BseaBlue |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:03 - Jun 9 by hype313 |
I think the key thought in his mind is does he want to be seen as someone good enough to get teams up but not good enough to keep them up, clearly we all want us to stay up next season, but the odds are stacked against us, especially compared to Fulham.
The by product of success is that we're vulnerable to being swooped upon, McKenna will go at somepoint, and he might feel his stock is at the highest it can be to get a move.
The umbilical cord will be cut and we just have to hope the powers at be have another card up their sleeve. |
Agreed. We go down again and it means he will have a touch of the Scott Parkers' about his reputation. I'm sure for someone as driven as KM that isn't a scenario he wants to be in.
As much as the fee is an obstacle, I do wonder if he had his heart set on moving, whether Ashton would budge on it seeing all he has done for us. |  | | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:12 - Jun 9 with 1551 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:58 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
I hope he stays, but will fully understand it if he goes. It’d be a big step up but an intermediate one. He will be after a Sky Six job and Fulham is a perfect stepping stone.
Pretty much guaranteed not to be relegated, every chance to propel Fulham further up the league and a supportive crowd. If he does that for a couple of seasons, he’ll be in the frame for the job he really wants.
He has everything to lose and little to gain by staying here because his chances with our budget and still forming set up are so limited. He’s also been here a long time and everything has a shelf life. Added to that is if we don’t survive, his reputation really will take a hit.
What will be will be and the club is bigger and far more important than him. People come and go. I just hope they have been contingency planning and speculation is not allowed to drag on. All parties - make a decision and move on. |
"Pretty much guaranteed not to be relegated"? Fulham? Really? | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:12 - Jun 9 with 1552 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:53 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
To get us to where Fulham, would involve, at the very minimum keeping us up well, this season and then finishing safely in mid table in 27/28 - by that point McKenna will have been here nearly 7 years, to then take us to the next level and get us pushing for Europe, and as established as a Brighton would taken another 2-3 year - he's simply not going to manage us for a decade as much as we all would love it.
We are fans, we are here for life, he has one career he has to manage carefully and methodically - the route to a Champions League job from here involves leaving at some point whilst reputation intact, if next season goes as everyone expects it to he's back to being a couple of years away from even getting this type of job again.
Ultimately, if we want this club to progress as much is it can, it will involve moving on from McKenna at some point because he isn't going to be here forever, so we'll have to make that jump at some point.
I personally still don't see Fulham dropping £8m on him, it's too big a release fee - but if they do agree to pay it then he will be off with my best wishes and thanks |
Yep, sadly that's right. I think he's eyeing United or Spurs when they next come around, I don't think that would be a huge surprise if its his 'end goal' given his career. 2-3 years at Fulham maintaining a middling PL side with the opportunity to possibly kick them on to a European place feels far more prudent a move than possibly adding a 2nd relegation to his CV here. He needs to cash his chips at the right time, I can understand why 2 years ago he would've been leaving with a huge sense of regret to not lead us in the PL after back to backs, but the landscape has changed fairly since.
I hope he stays, obviously, but like you if he thinks now is the right time to cash his chips I wouldn't begrudge him. He's achieved so much in such a short space of time and given us the best times in 20+ years. Its no normal. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 with 1546 views | hype313 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:10 - Jun 9 by BseaBlue |
Agreed. We go down again and it means he will have a touch of the Scott Parkers' about his reputation. I'm sure for someone as driven as KM that isn't a scenario he wants to be in.
As much as the fee is an obstacle, I do wonder if he had his heart set on moving, whether Ashton would budge on it seeing all he has done for us. |
Yep, the only caveat I can foresee is that given Sunderland and Leeds showed last season it can be done, would he now think it's not the unachievable job to do?
If all 3 had gone down again last season, then you could easily see him saying he's done his job and move on, would both those teams bucking the trend give him pause for thought? |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 with 1528 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:31 - Jun 9 by portmanking |
But it's been a struggle for Fulham to stay there. They've essentially gone backwards in the last 4 years going on this metric. Silva grew disillusioned at the club's lack of ambition. It's a club at a serious crossroads this summer.
Do you really reckon keeping Fulham 12th/13th for a year or two is a body of work that'll get him the United job? Cos, let's be honest, that's McKenna's end goal.
For KM, I see little upside and plenty of downside in Fulham. If they finish 12th, their fans and maybe even the local press will say (so what? maintained status quo etc.). Can he get them challenging the top 8? I'd say not looking at their squad/financial muscle.
The downside is that they don't recruit well (again) this summer, get sucked into a battle (likely with us) and could even finish below us!
I can't square the circle that he's turned down well-run, ambitious clubs like Brighton and Brentford in the past in favour of our project, only to now jump ship for Fulham. |
For his reputation/stock in the game I would say it goes (from best for rep to worst):
Keeping Ipswich up in real style (as in like Sunderland style)
Getting Fulham into Europe
Keeping Ipswich up
Maintaining the status quo with Fulham (mid-table)
Getting Ipswich relegated | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:14 - Jun 9 with 1507 views | Illinoisblue |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:54 - Jun 9 by Weekender |
Couple of thoughts that could be in play:
Might KM be in talks or angling for a new ITFC contract and this is agent placed speculation to improve negotiating position? He has 2 years left?
Lots of comments that Fulham would be a strange move and on a football level and I can see that argument but might there be non footballing reasons for moving - being closer to London/ family etc.? |
Can’t blame for asking for more after all he’s done, but isn’t he already on (for us) a mega deal? |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:15 - Jun 9 with 1476 views | PioneerBlue |
KMck leaves at some point, better on his terms when hes on a high and we are also on the up, he and we deserve that. Him leaving is always going to be a high risk moment, how to maintain continuity and upward tradjectory. What is the preference? We stay up and KMck gets scooped up by the next whale in the league, or we get relegated and now we are scrabbling in recovery mode 🤷🏻♂️ | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:15 - Jun 9 with 1476 views | Churchman |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:03 - Jun 9 by hype313 |
I think the key thought in his mind is does he want to be seen as someone good enough to get teams up but not good enough to keep them up, clearly we all want us to stay up next season, but the odds are stacked against us, especially compared to Fulham.
The by product of success is that we're vulnerable to being swooped upon, McKenna will go at somepoint, and he might feel his stock is at the highest it can be to get a move.
The umbilical cord will be cut and we just have to hope the powers at be have another card up their sleeve. |
Well, we are fishing in a different pond now from when McKenna pitched up, just as we are with players.
I don’t like any of the suggestions in this thread, if I’m honest. Historically this club seems to be at its best when it gives up and coming/new managerial faces a chance. There are exceptions (e.g. Duncan and Milburn), but there have been plenty of successes that way - Ramsey, Robson, Burley, McKenna.
We need somebody that will buy in and understand the club as a whole, the area, what we are trying to do, not just a first team coach. Do I have any ideas? No, not a clue. The one from the play offs that impressed me was Dave Challinor. Just something about his demeanour, loyalty and personality.
I get reservations that he’s only operated in the lower leagues, but it’s just a name throw to provoke thought. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:16 - Jun 9 with 1464 views | dirtyboy |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 by hype313 |
Yep, the only caveat I can foresee is that given Sunderland and Leeds showed last season it can be done, would he now think it's not the unachievable job to do?
If all 3 had gone down again last season, then you could easily see him saying he's done his job and move on, would both those teams bucking the trend give him pause for thought? |
This is my opinion too, but obviously it will depend on early transfers that he's really happy with coming in the door early. | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:17 - Jun 9 with 1433 views | pablo_canooga |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 by hype313 |
Yep, the only caveat I can foresee is that given Sunderland and Leeds showed last season it can be done, would he now think it's not the unachievable job to do?
If all 3 had gone down again last season, then you could easily see him saying he's done his job and move on, would both those teams bucking the trend give him pause for thought? |
I think it depends on whether he's seen enough from the new recruitment set-up to give him the confidence we CAN compete properly next season. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:17 - Jun 9 with 1426 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:09 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
People keep saying this "2 relegations on his CV" thing as if we're definitely going down and Fulham are definitely staying up!
Maybe he goes to Fulham and they go down, which means 2 relegations on his CV and with two different clubs, which is surely worse! |
Obviously anything is possible, we're just talking about probability and readiness.
Where is he more likely to finish 8th - 12th next season vs. where is he more likely to finish in the bottom 3? | | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:18 - Jun 9 with 1399 views | Vaughan8 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:15 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Well, we are fishing in a different pond now from when McKenna pitched up, just as we are with players.
I don’t like any of the suggestions in this thread, if I’m honest. Historically this club seems to be at its best when it gives up and coming/new managerial faces a chance. There are exceptions (e.g. Duncan and Milburn), but there have been plenty of successes that way - Ramsey, Robson, Burley, McKenna.
We need somebody that will buy in and understand the club as a whole, the area, what we are trying to do, not just a first team coach. Do I have any ideas? No, not a clue. The one from the play offs that impressed me was Dave Challinor. Just something about his demeanour, loyalty and personality.
I get reservations that he’s only operated in the lower leagues, but it’s just a name throw to provoke thought. |
A name to "throw" is good, intended or not. Have an uppy! [Post edited 9 Jun 13:18]
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:18 - Jun 9 with 1389 views | JakeITFC |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 by tractorboy1978 |
For his reputation/stock in the game I would say it goes (from best for rep to worst):
Keeping Ipswich up in real style (as in like Sunderland style)
Getting Fulham into Europe
Keeping Ipswich up
Maintaining the status quo with Fulham (mid-table)
Getting Ipswich relegated |
I think Marco Silva was probably more likely to be in demand than Farke or Le Bris this summer from Prem clubs, though. |  | | |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:18 - Jun 9 with 1387 views | N2_Blue |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 12:53 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
To get us to where Fulham, would involve, at the very minimum keeping us up well, this season and then finishing safely in mid table in 27/28 - by that point McKenna will have been here nearly 7 years, to then take us to the next level and get us pushing for Europe, and as established as a Brighton would taken another 2-3 year - he's simply not going to manage us for a decade as much as we all would love it.
We are fans, we are here for life, he has one career he has to manage carefully and methodically - the route to a Champions League job from here involves leaving at some point whilst reputation intact, if next season goes as everyone expects it to he's back to being a couple of years away from even getting this type of job again.
Ultimately, if we want this club to progress as much is it can, it will involve moving on from McKenna at some point because he isn't going to be here forever, so we'll have to make that jump at some point.
I personally still don't see Fulham dropping £8m on him, it's too big a release fee - but if they do agree to pay it then he will be off with my best wishes and thanks |
Usually agree with pretty much everything you say and there is reasoning behind your post that I get but i don’t personally agree with it.
McKenna could go to Fulham (or elsewhere) I personally don’t think he will. Seeing what Sunderland delivered last year is probably a good think for us, it shows McKenna what is possible with serious backing.
It’s all agent leverage I think. McKenna is happy and settled, you can see it his demeanour out and about with his family. He is content. But he wants to achieve something here. He needs help. From Ashton, the owners. Not a bit, it has to be huge. If he gets reassurances, I believe he’ll stay. But it’s reassurances about spend and vision rather than his contract this time. Maybe a renegotiated release clause.
Whilst I agree that it’s unlikely he will be here 10 years ( just on the basis that’s very unusual these days) I don’t agree with your reasoning. He is one season from becoming a manager that will secure himself in history with Ramsey and Robson. Keeping us up this year is as good as winning a trophy in my view. It also sets up the platform to actually make winning a trophy very possible if you then go on establish things the following season.
I think people forget how young McKenna is. He has a decade before he needs to even be at CL level. If a CL club came in now, sure he’s gone, but I don’t see that he’d necessarily see Fulham as the stepping stone to get that.
Keeping up Ipswich this season would be 5 x times the achievement of getting Fulham 7th -10th. Is he going to achieve more than that with Fulham? I really don’t think so and does he see it, who knows. Can he keep us up, tough for sure but with the backing his agent is probably angling for absolutely its possible and he would literally then have far bigger jobs that Fulham on offer. Then it’s just how the stars fall and he could be off with our blessing but I actually think if he had a big season here with Town he could be here another 3+ years depending on the direction we go and that is why I don’t agree with your length of tenure statement. Sure, It’s more likely he’s gone now or next season but one good season and everything could change.
Only McKenna knows but he’s got years ahead of him and I think he’d happily stay a few more years if we go in an upward direction and Ashton stops being a jerk. |  |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:19 - Jun 9 with 1355 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:12 - Jun 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
Yep, sadly that's right. I think he's eyeing United or Spurs when they next come around, I don't think that would be a huge surprise if its his 'end goal' given his career. 2-3 years at Fulham maintaining a middling PL side with the opportunity to possibly kick them on to a European place feels far more prudent a move than possibly adding a 2nd relegation to his CV here. He needs to cash his chips at the right time, I can understand why 2 years ago he would've been leaving with a huge sense of regret to not lead us in the PL after back to backs, but the landscape has changed fairly since.
I hope he stays, obviously, but like you if he thinks now is the right time to cash his chips I wouldn't begrudge him. He's achieved so much in such a short space of time and given us the best times in 20+ years. Its no normal. |
Again, you're talking the absolute upside for Fulham "maintaining a middling PL side with the opportunity to possibly kick them on to a European place" and the absolute downside for us "possibly adding a 2nd relegation to his CV here".
They aren't the only two options!
Keeping ITFC up would be huge for his CV as well. How about that as an option! | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:22 - Jun 9 with 1283 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:13 - Jun 9 by tractorboy1978 |
For his reputation/stock in the game I would say it goes (from best for rep to worst):
Keeping Ipswich up in real style (as in like Sunderland style)
Getting Fulham into Europe
Keeping Ipswich up
Maintaining the status quo with Fulham (mid-table)
Getting Ipswich relegated |
You missed off "Getting Fulham relegated" at the bottom! | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:22 - Jun 9 with 1278 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:18 - Jun 9 by N2_Blue |
Usually agree with pretty much everything you say and there is reasoning behind your post that I get but i don’t personally agree with it.
McKenna could go to Fulham (or elsewhere) I personally don’t think he will. Seeing what Sunderland delivered last year is probably a good think for us, it shows McKenna what is possible with serious backing.
It’s all agent leverage I think. McKenna is happy and settled, you can see it his demeanour out and about with his family. He is content. But he wants to achieve something here. He needs help. From Ashton, the owners. Not a bit, it has to be huge. If he gets reassurances, I believe he’ll stay. But it’s reassurances about spend and vision rather than his contract this time. Maybe a renegotiated release clause.
Whilst I agree that it’s unlikely he will be here 10 years ( just on the basis that’s very unusual these days) I don’t agree with your reasoning. He is one season from becoming a manager that will secure himself in history with Ramsey and Robson. Keeping us up this year is as good as winning a trophy in my view. It also sets up the platform to actually make winning a trophy very possible if you then go on establish things the following season.
I think people forget how young McKenna is. He has a decade before he needs to even be at CL level. If a CL club came in now, sure he’s gone, but I don’t see that he’d necessarily see Fulham as the stepping stone to get that.
Keeping up Ipswich this season would be 5 x times the achievement of getting Fulham 7th -10th. Is he going to achieve more than that with Fulham? I really don’t think so and does he see it, who knows. Can he keep us up, tough for sure but with the backing his agent is probably angling for absolutely its possible and he would literally then have far bigger jobs that Fulham on offer. Then it’s just how the stars fall and he could be off with our blessing but I actually think if he had a big season here with Town he could be here another 3+ years depending on the direction we go and that is why I don’t agree with your length of tenure statement. Sure, It’s more likely he’s gone now or next season but one good season and everything could change.
Only McKenna knows but he’s got years ahead of him and I think he’d happily stay a few more years if we go in an upward direction and Ashton stops being a jerk. |
"Keeping up Ipswich this season would be 5 x times the achievement of getting Fulham 7th -10th"
It might be a bigger achievement but I think getting Fulham in Europe or on the verge of Europe is a more attractive proposition for those top clubs when it comes to looking for a manager than keeping Ipswich up. | |
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| 'Mckenna increasingly likely to leave Ipswich' on 13:23 - Jun 9 with 1242 views | Ftnfwest |
McKenna increasingly delighted to be Fulham’s 4th choice… |  | | |
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