| New Agent for Philogene 06:58 - Jul 8 with 9838 views | FrimleyBlue |
What we thinking, £40 mill?
if we thought the old agent was fun, this lot are a different level, the father was known for getting the maximum for his clients. Rumours of clubs abroad being interested. I think we would be very lucky to see him start for us in August [Post edited 8 Jul 7:04]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 with 1258 views | portmanking |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
But, as we saw with him in the PL last time, his party trick of cutting inside and shooting doesn't cut it at the top level. Full backs are cleverer, faster and stronger.
I think Jaden is well-suited to La Liga or Serie A where the pace of the game is that much slower.
I think we all feared the worst when Jaden was out for 2.5 months, but Jack Clarke stepped up and at one point it was a case of Jaden, who?
He's by no means indispensible. [Post edited 8 Jul 8:53]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 with 1256 views | BseaBlue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
As said above, I'm not sure you apoint that agency without actively being on the hunt for a move.
He is a great player but I don't think he has the physicality to cut it in the Prem. That was our biggest issue last time round. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:51 - Jul 8 with 1250 views | itfcjoe |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
Yep, I'd take that view as well re ability - he's mustard and there was a reason that whenever he was fit he was straight back in the team ahead of Clarke. Exceptionally bright footballer, very good off the ball and incredible on it - think he's got a long way to go too |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 08:53 - Jul 8 with 1217 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I'd rather keep him. But if he's not committed then good riddance.
Hope the change of agent doesn't indicate a move, but I think it probably will.
I dint think he's worth £40m though. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 08:53 - Jul 8 with 1230 views | SitfcB |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
Yep.
Bizarre. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 08:55 - Jul 8 with 1179 views | J2BLUE |
I wouldn't be happy but I could live with it for £30m and a 10% sell on clause. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:55 - Jul 8 with 1174 views | DanTheMan |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:51 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
Yep, I'd take that view as well re ability - he's mustard and there was a reason that whenever he was fit he was straight back in the team ahead of Clarke. Exceptionally bright footballer, very good off the ball and incredible on it - think he's got a long way to go too |
Agree with this, I'd much rather us keep our best players.
Obviously if the price is right then sure, but it'd have to be enough to replace him and then some. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:00 - Jul 8 with 1121 views | hype313 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:55 - Jul 8 by DanTheMan |
Agree with this, I'd much rather us keep our best players.
Obviously if the price is right then sure, but it'd have to be enough to replace him and then some. |
Yeah I'm torn, I do agree with Joe and others about his quality, the ability to pull something out of the hat in an instant, but he hasn't really shone in the PL and Villa didn't seem to bothered about him leaving.
I'd be keeping him, but if a silly offer came in then we'd have to entertain it, we are a player trading club. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:00 - Jul 8 with 1110 views | wrightsrightglove |
I think it depends entirely on whether he wants to be here or not. If this agent change is due to him wanting out (which I assume it is given they’ve paid Romano to tweet that) then take the £30million and move on. If he’s still fully committed to us then I’d absolutely keep hold of him | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:02 - Jul 8 with 1095 views | dirtyboy |
Mad how we're all talking isn't it?
Probably our best player on any given day, but he's been so difficult to 'take to'. Seems utterly devoid of any passion for the club (and I'm really sorry if i'm way of the mark) but just doesn't seem to want to fully embrace being an Ipswich player.
Jack Clarke on the other hand, really upped his performances last season, did much more of the off the ball work which I thought Philogene was generally better at, JC has more fight. Plus, he has pace.
Jaden a proper gifted footballer, but if we get circa £30m (knowing we've had him a couple of years) i'd be comfortable,
He came on a 4.5 year contract for £20m, so after 18months, circa £7m amortised, plus wages saved, might allow us scope to buy 2 x £30m replacements if on 5 year contracts.
It's incredible how much impact SCR is going to have on how we operate. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:03 - Jul 8 with 1081 views | Parky |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
But, as we saw with him in the PL last time, his party trick of cutting inside and shooting doesn't cut it at the top level. Full backs are cleverer, faster and stronger.
I think Jaden is well-suited to La Liga or Serie A where the pace of the game is that much slower.
I think we all feared the worst when Jaden was out for 2.5 months, but Jack Clarke stepped up and at one point it was a case of Jaden, who?
He's by no means indispensible. [Post edited 8 Jul 8:53]
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I’m not sure it’s fair to cast an opinion based off a season where he signed in January to a team that managed to only get 6 points off the remaining games.
He’s our biggest asset, I’d say he’s the most likely current player that could step up to the Prem. Still only 24, on the back of a good season, plenty of room to continue to progress. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:10 - Jul 8 with 1002 views | chicoazul |
Some insane opinions ITT |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:12 - Jul 8 with 980 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:04 - Jul 8 by TownieRob |
He's a tidy player capable of moments of brilliance. That said, if he's not scoring then he doesnt really bring much else to the team in my opinion. Light weight and really isn't that quick. JC does most things better.
If we were to lose one of JP or JC then it's JP that goes im afraid.
Not sure what we paid but if we could get close to 30m for him then I would be pretty pleased.
Also, the fact that for entirety of his time he's been here it's clear his agent has been touting him about. Let's also not forget the saga in the previous window before he joined.. |
Feel this is spot on what you've said.
Philogene would be better off suited abroad than the PL. He's probably fallen into the bracket of being a level above the Championship, but not effective enough for the PL. Serie A would probably suit him the best. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:12 - Jul 8 with 980 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
But, as we saw with him in the PL last time, his party trick of cutting inside and shooting doesn't cut it at the top level. Full backs are cleverer, faster and stronger.
I think Jaden is well-suited to La Liga or Serie A where the pace of the game is that much slower.
I think we all feared the worst when Jaden was out for 2.5 months, but Jack Clarke stepped up and at one point it was a case of Jaden, who?
He's by no means indispensible. [Post edited 8 Jul 8:53]
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I don't think that's fair on him tbh, he's one of a handful who you would say is premier league quality in our squad, hence he's also one of a handful we could sell for anything close to £30m I imagine.
Last time out at that level he was getting a reasonable amount of minutes for a Villa side who were pushing for top 4 and in the Champions League (including starting and playing the 90 in a draw with Bayern Munich). Emery clearly trusted him enough to give him a degree of opportunities. He came to us and pretty promptly got injured, but when he did play he looked sharp in a side that was otherwise miles off the quality required for the most part.
He's excelled at Championship level, not just for us but for Hull and Cardiff as well. We've all seen his quality, and at a time where we're probably needing 7 or 8 big ticket arrivals selling him would make that task even greater. Appreciate the financial benefit at the right price though. If we could coin £15m upside from a PSR point of view net of his outstanding transfer fee to unwind that's effectively £60m of additions on 4 year deals, from a year 1 point of view.
It would be a shame to lose him though, IMO. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:18 - Jul 8 with 911 views | Dubtractor |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:53 - Jul 8 by SitfcB |
Yep.
Bizarre. |
Hard agree with this.
The fact that he is our one player who might interest other big clubs speaks volumes, and we'll instantly make our summer business a step harder of we lose him. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:19 - Jul 8 with 907 views | John_Warks_Willy |
Firstly, we’re lucky to have him and I hope he stays.
Secondably (a little nod to Arrested Development there…), I don’t understand what move he wants or could get that is a step up and where he would play. He’ll be in the Prem again with us and a starter. I fail to see a better option realistically on the table, unless it’s purely for the money and he’s happy to be a squad player.
I’m missing something here! [Post edited 8 Jul 9:26]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:20 - Jul 8 with 885 views | nodge_blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:39 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
More than that in JP's case, assuming the reported figures were correct (Philogene £20m, and Clarke £15m) then current book values are:
Philogene - £13.3m
Clarke - £9m
I think this will be the first step in an attempt to move himself on, just concern is fee ends up being not near where we want it to be - he's happy enough but has never really wanted to be here, or anywhere tbf |
Clearly the first thing the new agent has done is tell FR - which all smacks of trying to signal his player wants a move.
I think Jaden has seems happy enough here but I can see him moving on. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:22 - Jul 8 with 862 views | Dennyx4 |
Think it would have to be £35m as a minimum, believe we bought for £22m and am sure Aston Villa have a sell on clause too.
Not sure there are many teams that would be prepared to pay the sort of money we would want though? |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:22 - Jul 8 with 866 views | bsw72 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
People also forget how well he played before his injury, and I don't think he ever fully recovered but we needed him back even at 70%. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:23 - Jul 8 with 852 views | Guthrum |
Would leave a massive hole in our squad. Clever player, goalscorer andvone who frightens defenders.
Sure, Clarke does that too, but we need more than one threat on the left. Plus, of course, he's well integrated after 18 months at the club. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:32 - Jul 8 with 754 views | Wright1 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
But, as we saw with him in the PL last time, his party trick of cutting inside and shooting doesn't cut it at the top level. Full backs are cleverer, faster and stronger.
I think Jaden is well-suited to La Liga or Serie A where the pace of the game is that much slower.
I think we all feared the worst when Jaden was out for 2.5 months, but Jack Clarke stepped up and at one point it was a case of Jaden, who?
He's by no means indispensible. [Post edited 8 Jul 8:53]
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Did we see that? My recollection is he signed in January and then out of necessity (we'd lost Burns and Ogbene) he spent much of his time on the right where he is less effective. Happy to be corrected if i'm wrong but I actually think we have no idea how he'll fare for us in the PL. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:44 - Jul 8 with 660 views | jayessess |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:20 - Jul 8 by nodge_blue |
Clearly the first thing the new agent has done is tell FR - which all smacks of trying to signal his player wants a move.
I think Jaden has seems happy enough here but I can see him moving on. |
Yeah, particularly if we're talking about a move overseas. The category of club that would look at him in LaLiga, Bundesliga and Serie A aren't paying £30m+ fees very often. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:47 - Jul 8 with 638 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:23 - Jul 8 by Guthrum |
Would leave a massive hole in our squad. Clever player, goalscorer andvone who frightens defenders.
Sure, Clarke does that too, but we need more than one threat on the left. Plus, of course, he's well integrated after 18 months at the club. |
He's a fabulous player but I'm not sure he frightens Premier League defenders ...
He's got a few tricks but they all do at the top level.
He's a very similar player to Clarke and Mehmeti who have always traditionally played off the left. Flair but not a lot of pace and power.
IF he does go, I think we could do with recruiting someone who is a bit more of a counter attacking threat. Someone who is a threat to stretch the pitch and run past PL defenders. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:48 - Jul 8 with 611 views | Kievthegreat |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:03 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
Yeah, but making more profit in this single year would enable us to spend more on the squad this summer, right? |
The new Squad Cost Ratios (SCR) make it simpler and more complicated. It says that the combined wages, agent's fees and amortisation should be 85% of football revenue. So the profit we make would increase the football revenue, so can spend more on Amortisation and wages that year. However unless we sold a player the following season, our football revenue would drop and so would our spending thresholds.
They let you smooth it out over 3 years (providing you don't massively overspend) so you can deal with some peaks and troughs, but that profit only counts in 1-3 yearabut the spending on a player might cover 5 years. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:49 - Jul 8 with 601 views | monty_radio |
Several on here, whose football opinions I value, seem to talk of an ability which is, for me, real, but too rarely seen. I personally don't agree that he's a better footballer than Clarke over the course of a completed game, unless worldies are unleashed. His tricks, when in full flow are breathtaking, but his value to the team taken across longer periods seem less than Clarke, who is not short of a trick or two himself. | |
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