If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... 15:27 - Jul 7 with 18222 views | ITFCBlues | Why are we bothering with the academy? Seems pointless if you're letting your best players walk for peanuts. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:28 - Jul 7 with 5408 views | ElderGrizzly | We offered a contract, he didn't sign it. Next... | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:29 - Jul 7 with 5405 views | itfcjoe | Yep, it's maddening You will lose players from time to time, it's unavoidable whatever category you are in - but this seems totally avoidable, and he's the player who has been pushed on the most, by far, in his age group - which has had success! | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 with 5344 views | homer_123 |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:29 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe | Yep, it's maddening You will lose players from time to time, it's unavoidable whatever category you are in - but this seems totally avoidable, and he's the player who has been pushed on the most, by far, in his age group - which has had success! |
I guess there is a wider question though - maybe Cook and the team have assessed the 'actual' effectiveness of the Academy and have decided that they are not providing the right 'type' of player. In short, Cook and the new team are having a complete clear out, why would the Academy not come under the same scrutiny? Maybe Gibbs is one of the best we have produced recently but maybe Cook doesn't feel he's up to the job? Maybe Cook wants the Academy to go in another direction? Maybe there are plans to dispose of it? | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 with 5341 views | berkstractorboy | How come we all seem to know so much but don't actually seem to have exact details on why he didn't sign. All the assumptions are aimed at blaming the club. Given the club have recognised the talent they would have done everything reasonable with the offer on the table. Why not try backing the club rather than always trying to find a negative... | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:45 - Jul 7 with 5286 views | Wallingford_Boy |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:29 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe | Yep, it's maddening You will lose players from time to time, it's unavoidable whatever category you are in - but this seems totally avoidable, and he's the player who has been pushed on the most, by far, in his age group - which has had success! |
I think Baggott is the one they are all expecting to push on, now he DOES look good. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:50 - Jul 7 with 5226 views | chrismakin | Because our Academy isn't as good as some seem to think it is, and neither are a lot of the players that come through it. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:50 - Jul 7 with 5232 views | PositivelyPortman |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by homer_123 | I guess there is a wider question though - maybe Cook and the team have assessed the 'actual' effectiveness of the Academy and have decided that they are not providing the right 'type' of player. In short, Cook and the new team are having a complete clear out, why would the Academy not come under the same scrutiny? Maybe Gibbs is one of the best we have produced recently but maybe Cook doesn't feel he's up to the job? Maybe Cook wants the Academy to go in another direction? Maybe there are plans to dispose of it? |
Maybe Gibbs has thrown his toys out of the pram and has told Town they can’t pay him what he wants, and foolishly wants to leave. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:58 - Jul 7 with 5169 views | JammyDodgerrr |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:50 - Jul 7 by chrismakin | Because our Academy isn't as good as some seem to think it is, and neither are a lot of the players that come through it. |
Let's shut it then and not bother. Ridiculous. Gibbs is clearly good, and even within the Evans tenure we've had a good amount of players go on to play at at least the level we are at now, if not higher. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:01 - Jul 7 with 5134 views | Guthrum |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by berkstractorboy | How come we all seem to know so much but don't actually seem to have exact details on why he didn't sign. All the assumptions are aimed at blaming the club. Given the club have recognised the talent they would have done everything reasonable with the offer on the table. Why not try backing the club rather than always trying to find a negative... |
Because it might, perhaps, be the clubs fault, an error of judgement may have been made, or a situation not handled in the best way? When people with good contacts are saying the player was keen to stay, that there was relatively little difference between the two sides, but things have fallen through, it rather suggests something has gone wrong. It is entirely possible to support the club while acknowleging that incorrect decisions are sometimes made. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:03 - Jul 7 with 5119 views | homer_123 |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:50 - Jul 7 by PositivelyPortman | Maybe Gibbs has thrown his toys out of the pram and has told Town they can’t pay him what he wants, and foolishly wants to leave. |
Indeed, certainly possible. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:04 - Jul 7 with 5105 views | Steve_M |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by homer_123 | I guess there is a wider question though - maybe Cook and the team have assessed the 'actual' effectiveness of the Academy and have decided that they are not providing the right 'type' of player. In short, Cook and the new team are having a complete clear out, why would the Academy not come under the same scrutiny? Maybe Gibbs is one of the best we have produced recently but maybe Cook doesn't feel he's up to the job? Maybe Cook wants the Academy to go in another direction? Maybe there are plans to dispose of it? |
It's quite clear that the timeframe Cook has doesn't allow for him to do anything other than get promoted this season. Unfortunately that's where we don;t yet have the wider structure in place to ensure that decisions like those on Gibbs are made on a slightly longer-term timescale. The first team manager should not be making decisions about the direction of the academy. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:09 - Jul 7 with 5064 views | itfcjoe |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:45 - Jul 7 by Wallingford_Boy | I think Baggott is the one they are all expecting to push on, now he DOES look good. |
WHen you compare them over last 3 seasons, Gibbs is clearly seen as the top prospect. Baggott may have pushed ahead, but even over the back end of this season it's Gibbs that has been pushed on further As an U16 - 9 league games and 3 goals for U18s at least double anyone else (Baggott 1) As an u17 - 9 games for 23s, no other had a single one As an U18 - Only player to start both PJT games in his age group, more U23s games than anyone else including Baggott He's consistenlty been pushed on, for those to make out he's just another player is wrong | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:13 - Jul 7 with 5020 views | davblue |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:09 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe | WHen you compare them over last 3 seasons, Gibbs is clearly seen as the top prospect. Baggott may have pushed ahead, but even over the back end of this season it's Gibbs that has been pushed on further As an U16 - 9 league games and 3 goals for U18s at least double anyone else (Baggott 1) As an u17 - 9 games for 23s, no other had a single one As an U18 - Only player to start both PJT games in his age group, more U23s games than anyone else including Baggott He's consistenlty been pushed on, for those to make out he's just another player is wrong |
Nothing we do is wrong atm Joe you know this. We will have qualified for the champions league within 3 seasons, so it will all be forgotten. | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:16 - Jul 7 with 4984 views | Ftnfwest | can't be happening, pompey are moaning about us spending millions | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:17 - Jul 7 with 4987 views | Churchman |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:01 - Jul 7 by Guthrum | Because it might, perhaps, be the clubs fault, an error of judgement may have been made, or a situation not handled in the best way? When people with good contacts are saying the player was keen to stay, that there was relatively little difference between the two sides, but things have fallen through, it rather suggests something has gone wrong. It is entirely possible to support the club while acknowleging that incorrect decisions are sometimes made. |
But is it an incorrect decision? We just don’t know the facts of it. I don’t know about you but I left more than one job in my career and never publicly said thank god I’m going. It was always I’d really like to stay, but new opportunity I can’t turn down, domestic commitments blah blah blah. Leave on as good a terms as possible, even if massaging the truth is involved. Far better than saying ‘tinpot club, I want away’. Whose to say. The system is geared to the big boys. As a little club in a rubbish League with ageing facilities, I can understand why he’d want something better if he thinks he’s that good. | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:19 - Jul 7 with 4953 views | chrismakin |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:09 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe | WHen you compare them over last 3 seasons, Gibbs is clearly seen as the top prospect. Baggott may have pushed ahead, but even over the back end of this season it's Gibbs that has been pushed on further As an U16 - 9 league games and 3 goals for U18s at least double anyone else (Baggott 1) As an u17 - 9 games for 23s, no other had a single one As an U18 - Only player to start both PJT games in his age group, more U23s games than anyone else including Baggott He's consistenlty been pushed on, for those to make out he's just another player is wrong |
Sorry Joe, but 18 years old 1 first team league appearence in Division 3, despite the apparent heavy pushing of him................ Compare with Dozzell, England Caps, Club Debut at 16 in the Champ etc etc There's nothing as yet to suggest he is anything other than just another youth player. Hopefully for him he goes on and has a great career | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:25 - Jul 7 with 4922 views | Vic |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:29 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe | Yep, it's maddening You will lose players from time to time, it's unavoidable whatever category you are in - but this seems totally avoidable, and he's the player who has been pushed on the most, by far, in his age group - which has had success! |
My guess is that right now the aim is to get out of this league and it’s been decided that the best chance of this is to use non academy players. I hope upon hope that once up the pathway will be open for them again. Sadly, if my reading of the situation is right, this leaves no room for Gibbs right now. If he wasn’t prepared to stay and fight for his place and maybe accept a year or so of not getting the chances he wanted then that’s his choice, and I think he’s probably badly advised. If he waited here a year and used this year to continue to develop I’m sure his first team chance will come sooner that at Norwich in the prem. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:26 - Jul 7 with 4914 views | jayessess |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:19 - Jul 7 by chrismakin | Sorry Joe, but 18 years old 1 first team league appearence in Division 3, despite the apparent heavy pushing of him................ Compare with Dozzell, England Caps, Club Debut at 16 in the Champ etc etc There's nothing as yet to suggest he is anything other than just another youth player. Hopefully for him he goes on and has a great career |
Well, apart from the Premier League clubs who want to sign him. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:30 - Jul 7 with 4891 views | marchy |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:19 - Jul 7 by chrismakin | Sorry Joe, but 18 years old 1 first team league appearence in Division 3, despite the apparent heavy pushing of him................ Compare with Dozzell, England Caps, Club Debut at 16 in the Champ etc etc There's nothing as yet to suggest he is anything other than just another youth player. Hopefully for him he goes on and has a great career |
As we know, all players worth a second's consideration have been doing the business at at least League One level by the time they reach adulthood. Just ask that lad who played our first two games at centre back in the Euros. | | | |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:33 - Jul 7 with 4860 views | homer_123 |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:04 - Jul 7 by Steve_M | It's quite clear that the timeframe Cook has doesn't allow for him to do anything other than get promoted this season. Unfortunately that's where we don;t yet have the wider structure in place to ensure that decisions like those on Gibbs are made on a slightly longer-term timescale. The first team manager should not be making decisions about the direction of the academy. |
The first team manager should not be making decisions about the direction of the academy. I'd agree with that but, for whatever reason, we have deemed Gibbs OK to leave. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:34 - Jul 7 with 4842 views | chrismakin |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:26 - Jul 7 by jayessess | Well, apart from the Premier League clubs who want to sign him. |
1 of many players prem clubs sign up who may or may not do anything from various clubs at various ages. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:36 - Jul 7 with 4824 views | positivity | if we get 500k for him, that goes a fair way to paying the costs of the academy for the year... | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:36 - Jul 7 with 4817 views | MrTown | A deal was offered to the young lad, he chose not to sign? We shouldn't be just willing to pay whatever somebody demands, you can't run a club like that. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:38 - Jul 7 with 4798 views | jayessess |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:36 - Jul 7 by MrTown | A deal was offered to the young lad, he chose not to sign? We shouldn't be just willing to pay whatever somebody demands, you can't run a club like that. |
Can't run an academy on the premise that you don't have to pay competitive wages either. | |
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If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:39 - Jul 7 with 4778 views | chrismakin |
If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:38 - Jul 7 by jayessess | Can't run an academy on the premise that you don't have to pay competitive wages either. |
Do you know what was offered then | |
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