| BOTTLE TOP-GATE 09:37 - Mar 30 with 3901 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Are Blue Action planning to set fire to anything to protest the outrageous state of affairs to do with the removal of water bottle tops by the club?
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:52 - Mar 30 with 3155 views | Keno |
that question took all the fizz out of last nights forum |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:59 - Mar 30 with 3140 views | ITFC_Forever |
I don’t know why people get so upset at this, the policy has been in place for over twenty years.
The reason being that a full bottle thrown with the lid on would weigh more than a bottle thrown with the lid off that loses a proportion of its contents along the way. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:00 - Mar 30 with 3122 views | homer_123 |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:52 - Mar 30 by Keno |
that question took all the fizz out of last nights forum |
Come back Hoppy...all is forgiven. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:04 - Mar 30 with 3096 views | STYG |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:59 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
I don’t know why people get so upset at this, the policy has been in place for over twenty years.
The reason being that a full bottle thrown with the lid on would weigh more than a bottle thrown with the lid off that loses a proportion of its contents along the way. |
There seems to be a real lack of understanding of how it is good to mitigate risks, even if you can't completely irradiate them. There seemed to be a lot of that with facemasks and other things, to the extent that some people weren't bothering, so why should anyone else? Well because some people wearing them will cause less transmission of a virus than nobody. You'd think it's simple to grasp.
I get the ridiculous situation the guy who asked the question referred to, where the people serving at the stadium bars take the lid of your bottle of Coke or Fanta yet you can bring your own bottle into the stadium with the lid on. However, the majority of drinks bottles inside the stadium will come from our bars and, as you say, if a bottle is thrown, then the club having to remove lids at least does something small to mitigate the risk of injury etc.
A separate argument is to be had for the fact that this seemed to be off the back of a couple of incidents in the Premier League in the space of a few weeks decades back and common sense should prevail. I remember several players being hit by coins around the same time (was it Carragher who threw one back?) but you don't see a ban coins or a whole other load of objects people have of minimal value that could really hurt if they strike a player. For example, thousands of plastic flag poles!
As many have alluded to, nothing stopping people bringing their own lid if it's really an issue for them! I've knocked a couple of bottles over celebrating goals, which is annoying, but there's no point people raising issues like this with ITFC when it's applied at most grounds and is clearly a Football League led safety thing, not ITFC being pedantic. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 10:11]
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:09 - Mar 30 with 3064 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:59 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
I don’t know why people get so upset at this, the policy has been in place for over twenty years.
The reason being that a full bottle thrown with the lid on would weigh more than a bottle thrown with the lid off that loses a proportion of its contents along the way. |
While I get the point about the bottle tops, there were several thousand plastic spears with flags attached on Saturday, plus I went arse over tit after slipping on one when Morsy scored  |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:18 - Mar 30 with 3006 views | MattinLondon |
The sad thing being that the people who asks inane questions like bottle tops, tend to be the ones who live and breath ITFC 24/7. |  | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:21 - Mar 30 with 2985 views | footers |
Shouldn't be drinking water at the football anyway. For shame. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:30 - Mar 30 with 2956 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:21 - Mar 30 by footers |
Shouldn't be drinking water at the football anyway. For shame. |
Someone will zip tie themselves to Walton's goal with a t-shirt on saying 'LEAVE MY BOTTLE TOP ALONE' on before we know it. You mark my words. | |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:42 - Mar 30 with 2917 views | greyhound |
I honestly despair at the state of these fans forums. The questions are so terribly structured and often put the panel in a awful position, foz is just as guilty as the fans. Ashton and Mckenna are clearly intelligent people and I can't help but feel they want to just laugh at most of this.
Slating pitch side support, moaning about bottle tops when the use of missiles at football has been a problem forever, asking questions that have been comprehensively covered in press and through club comms.
The club has tonnes of media outlets through podcasts, bloggers, vloggers, Web etc. They should be close enough and have the network to understand what supporters have on their mind, and have the ability to ask poignant detailed questions that can get an answer.I'm not sure why representatives of these are not in the room and pushing the agenda of the readership/viewership anyway.
I propose that at the next fans forum Ashton is given a revolver. 6 bullets, one for each silly question. Should thin things out enough to up the quality of the forum within a year. | | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:51 - Mar 30 with 2872 views | MattinLondon |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:42 - Mar 30 by greyhound |
I honestly despair at the state of these fans forums. The questions are so terribly structured and often put the panel in a awful position, foz is just as guilty as the fans. Ashton and Mckenna are clearly intelligent people and I can't help but feel they want to just laugh at most of this.
Slating pitch side support, moaning about bottle tops when the use of missiles at football has been a problem forever, asking questions that have been comprehensively covered in press and through club comms.
The club has tonnes of media outlets through podcasts, bloggers, vloggers, Web etc. They should be close enough and have the network to understand what supporters have on their mind, and have the ability to ask poignant detailed questions that can get an answer.I'm not sure why representatives of these are not in the room and pushing the agenda of the readership/viewership anyway.
I propose that at the next fans forum Ashton is given a revolver. 6 bullets, one for each silly question. Should thin things out enough to up the quality of the forum within a year. |
I believe that you are talking nonsense…..a revolver is too old school.
The Kel-Tec PMR-30 Is the most powerful handgun around and holds thirty bullets - your suggestion of a revolver with six bullets is outdated. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 10:52]
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:54 - Mar 30 with 2852 views | hoppy |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:00 - Mar 30 by homer_123 |
Come back Hoppy...all is forgiven. |
All? Really? |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:56 - Mar 30 with 2851 views | Tractor_Buck |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:59 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
I don’t know why people get so upset at this, the policy has been in place for over twenty years.
The reason being that a full bottle thrown with the lid on would weigh more than a bottle thrown with the lid off that loses a proportion of its contents along the way. |
Point of order - the other reason the tops are taken off (at least why we do it at Telford) is that a bottle top with a coin in it is a missile with similar properties to somebody throwing a stone. |  | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 11:02 - Mar 30 with 2822 views | greyhound |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:56 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
Point of order - the other reason the tops are taken off (at least why we do it at Telford) is that a bottle top with a coin in it is a missile with similar properties to somebody throwing a stone. |
Don't let facts get in the way of Derrick saying we're all adults.
Sad fact is a minority ruin it for everyone and you therefore just have to deal with it. | | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 11:07 - Mar 30 with 2799 views | Meadowlark |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:09 - Mar 30 by StochesStotasBlewe |
While I get the point about the bottle tops, there were several thousand plastic spears with flags attached on Saturday, plus I went arse over tit after slipping on one when Morsy scored |
....and all that plastic waste..... |  | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 12:02 - Mar 30 with 2721 views | SitfcB |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:42 - Mar 30 by greyhound |
I honestly despair at the state of these fans forums. The questions are so terribly structured and often put the panel in a awful position, foz is just as guilty as the fans. Ashton and Mckenna are clearly intelligent people and I can't help but feel they want to just laugh at most of this.
Slating pitch side support, moaning about bottle tops when the use of missiles at football has been a problem forever, asking questions that have been comprehensively covered in press and through club comms.
The club has tonnes of media outlets through podcasts, bloggers, vloggers, Web etc. They should be close enough and have the network to understand what supporters have on their mind, and have the ability to ask poignant detailed questions that can get an answer.I'm not sure why representatives of these are not in the room and pushing the agenda of the readership/viewership anyway.
I propose that at the next fans forum Ashton is given a revolver. 6 bullets, one for each silly question. Should thin things out enough to up the quality of the forum within a year. |
Tim, the guy in the suit, I thought he did well, wrote his question down and made a serious question a bit humorous as well. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 12:07 - Mar 30 with 2687 views | GeoffSentence |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:04 - Mar 30 by STYG |
There seems to be a real lack of understanding of how it is good to mitigate risks, even if you can't completely irradiate them. There seemed to be a lot of that with facemasks and other things, to the extent that some people weren't bothering, so why should anyone else? Well because some people wearing them will cause less transmission of a virus than nobody. You'd think it's simple to grasp.
I get the ridiculous situation the guy who asked the question referred to, where the people serving at the stadium bars take the lid of your bottle of Coke or Fanta yet you can bring your own bottle into the stadium with the lid on. However, the majority of drinks bottles inside the stadium will come from our bars and, as you say, if a bottle is thrown, then the club having to remove lids at least does something small to mitigate the risk of injury etc.
A separate argument is to be had for the fact that this seemed to be off the back of a couple of incidents in the Premier League in the space of a few weeks decades back and common sense should prevail. I remember several players being hit by coins around the same time (was it Carragher who threw one back?) but you don't see a ban coins or a whole other load of objects people have of minimal value that could really hurt if they strike a player. For example, thousands of plastic flag poles!
As many have alluded to, nothing stopping people bringing their own lid if it's really an issue for them! I've knocked a couple of bottles over celebrating goals, which is annoying, but there's no point people raising issues like this with ITFC when it's applied at most grounds and is clearly a Football League led safety thing, not ITFC being pedantic. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 10:11]
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Do we really want to irradiate risks because wouldn't that be, well, dangerous. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:09 - Mar 30 with 2558 views | longtimefan |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 12:07 - Mar 30 by GeoffSentence |
Do we really want to irradiate risks because wouldn't that be, well, dangerous. |
Just put them in the microwave for a while? | | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:11 - Mar 30 with 2552 views | GlasgowBlue |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 09:59 - Mar 30 by ITFC_Forever |
I don’t know why people get so upset at this, the policy has been in place for over twenty years.
The reason being that a full bottle thrown with the lid on would weigh more than a bottle thrown with the lid off that loses a proportion of its contents along the way. |
I always bring my own lid in. Usually have a bottle of Coke Zero in the car in the way to the match. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:17 - Mar 30 with 2533 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:11 - Mar 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I always bring my own lid in. Usually have a bottle of Coke Zero in the car in the way to the match. |
And people say Brexit voters are thick! |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:37 - Mar 30 with 2486 views | Churchman |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:42 - Mar 30 by greyhound |
I honestly despair at the state of these fans forums. The questions are so terribly structured and often put the panel in a awful position, foz is just as guilty as the fans. Ashton and Mckenna are clearly intelligent people and I can't help but feel they want to just laugh at most of this.
Slating pitch side support, moaning about bottle tops when the use of missiles at football has been a problem forever, asking questions that have been comprehensively covered in press and through club comms.
The club has tonnes of media outlets through podcasts, bloggers, vloggers, Web etc. They should be close enough and have the network to understand what supporters have on their mind, and have the ability to ask poignant detailed questions that can get an answer.I'm not sure why representatives of these are not in the room and pushing the agenda of the readership/viewership anyway.
I propose that at the next fans forum Ashton is given a revolver. 6 bullets, one for each silly question. Should thin things out enough to up the quality of the forum within a year. |
I agree with this. I don’t know what the world is coming to. You get to go to one of these forums and you have the chance to ask a question to the manager and/or CEO and you ask about water bottle tops. Desperate. 50% of forum time was basically a waste. Fortunately, there was some interesting stuff in the remaining bit.
I went to an evening thing with Botham and Lamb some years ago (around the time Pakistan were ripping the sides of cricket balls). What they did for the Q&A was to take the audience questions in written form, filtered out the nonsense and duplicates and arranged them broadly thematically. The name of the person asking the question was read out so IB and AL could answer them to their faces. It worked rather well. |  | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 14:32 - Mar 30 with 2388 views | GlasgowBlue |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 12:02 - Mar 30 by SitfcB |
Tim, the guy in the suit, I thought he did well, wrote his question down and made a serious question a bit humorous as well. |
I thought it was Lucan until he said his name was Tim. | |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 15:13 - Mar 30 with 2311 views | rgp1 |
What about ball boy gate? | | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 15:47 - Mar 30 with 2277 views | J2BLUE |
How hard is it for people to put a lid in their pocket if it bothers them that much? FFS people get a grip. |  |
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| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 15:59 - Mar 30 with 2256 views | greyhound |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 13:37 - Mar 30 by Churchman |
I agree with this. I don’t know what the world is coming to. You get to go to one of these forums and you have the chance to ask a question to the manager and/or CEO and you ask about water bottle tops. Desperate. 50% of forum time was basically a waste. Fortunately, there was some interesting stuff in the remaining bit.
I went to an evening thing with Botham and Lamb some years ago (around the time Pakistan were ripping the sides of cricket balls). What they did for the Q&A was to take the audience questions in written form, filtered out the nonsense and duplicates and arranged them broadly thematically. The name of the person asking the question was read out so IB and AL could answer them to their faces. It worked rather well. |
Exactly this, the person whose question is being answered can then stand up and have mic brought to them for thanks and clarification. | | | |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 16:03 - Mar 30 with 2243 views | Skip_Intro |
| BOTTLE TOP-GATE on 10:56 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
Point of order - the other reason the tops are taken off (at least why we do it at Telford) is that a bottle top with a coin in it is a missile with similar properties to somebody throwing a stone. |
surely it's much easier (and more cost effective) to just fill your pockets with stones and bring them into the ground...or buy a packet of gravel and a couple of big pointy ones from a bloke outside... |  | | |
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