| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? 20:19 - Jun 7 with 3542 views | wkj |
Having just got promoted there are many schools of thought around our chances. It feels that the hope of reaching top 6 is becoming more and more like an expectation from sections of the fanbase with comparisons being drawn to Luton and Sunderland last season.
What baffles me, however, is just what GC20 might be thinking. Premier league is the end goal and I suspect the aim of this within a decade of ownership as it seems like we're a fixer club who is being done up for a profitable resale. Though I am really curious to what people might think the targets are for KM for this current season.
(To save pedantry, I consider 'this season' to mean 23' - 24' for the context of this post) [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 20:21]
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 20:25 - Jun 7 with 3002 views | NthQldITFC |
Plucking a position more or less form nothing other than gut feel, I'd say anything 8th or above would be a success, with anything 4th or above a roaring success. 9th - 16th would be OK for next season cos it's still a positive trajectory, baby. Below 16th I'd be disappointed, and below 21st I'd be glum. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 20:29 - Jun 7 with 2976 views | wkj |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 20:25 - Jun 7 by NthQldITFC |
Plucking a position more or less form nothing other than gut feel, I'd say anything 8th or above would be a success, with anything 4th or above a roaring success. 9th - 16th would be OK for next season cos it's still a positive trajectory, baby. Below 16th I'd be disappointed, and below 21st I'd be glum. |
Add a win over the carrot crunchers at portman road and I would say top 8 would be a good target too. | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 20:57 - Jun 7 with 2917 views | Muncher |
Honestly, anything less than promotion won’t be regarded as a success.
To clarify for the downvoters, this is what I believe will be Kieran's personal target. He's incredibly ambitious, will be backed heavily in the transfer market in this summer and I'm sure he wouldn't look back on, say a defeat in the playoffs next year as having been a successful season. [Post edited 8 Jun 2023 11:35]
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| Ahem, we’ve left the clutches of the evil EU, so shouldn’t that be on 21:03 - Jun 7 with 2896 views | Swansea_Blue |
‘success Imperial’?
If I was Gamechanger, I’d be looking for continuous improvement, mood around the camp, etc. Ignore actual league positions. If we keep playing the way KM wants and that works, and then we get better at it, we’ll do well. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:06 - Jun 7 with 2885 views | Pinewoodblue |
Within touch of a play off place mid season, and hopefully pushing in from there. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:14 - Jun 7 with 2860 views | BigCommon |
The problem with suggesting top 8, imo. Is that it's only a hairs width from top 6. Probably 3-4pts difference. 8th might feel like an opportunity missed, for me. Albeit, it would be a good showing. But could also shine the spotlight brighter on KM and one or two of our players.
So what would feel like progress, finishing 8th, might see us actually step backwards. In terms of a mini rebuild, unless we bolt down KM on a new contract before the end of the season.
If we get our recruitment right, again.As per January. Then I think we can punch for top 8-9 . And maybe go again in the transfer/loan market in January, to push for top 6. Its not unrealistic, imo.
Although I wouldn't be disappointed with top 10, as long as KM remains here. To carry on the project.
The KM links/rumours don't bother me atm. But another year down the line, and we will have to take them a bit more seriously. If/when, he moves on, he'll be taking some good people with him, no doubt. That's why I think it's really important to really push hard this season, whilst we've still got him. |  | | |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:28 - Jun 7 with 2842 views | Mullet |
I'd hope there's a 2/3 year plan to reach the Prem - the only way that changes for me is if we spend huge sums suddenly this summer.
Regardless of whether we think either are right or wrong, it's impossible to know what conversations he and MA have had so far. I can't imagine anything less than top half initially. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:29 - Jun 7 with 2837 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Has to be retaining the Scottish title surely??
Forgive me.
I think top half would be the target imo with an outside hope of sneaking the play-offs like Sunderland. |  | | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:32 - Jun 7 with 2830 views | SheffordBlue |
Throughout his time here McKenna has talked about the underlying metrics and the ownership group have reiterated that data led approach as well. I should imagine his success metric will be based on some data driven stuff that might be disassociated from league position (although if the underlying metrics are good then there's a good chance the league position will be okay as well).
E.g Being in the top 10 for chance creation might be a target. We could overperform converting these chances and end up top 6 or underperform and end up midtable. | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 22:01 - Jun 7 with 2776 views | PioneerBlue |
I would love us to roar up the champ.
I look back on when we were last there, it was hard, every year was hard, this time we carry significant momentum, a different culture and certain players probably capable of higher performances in the current set up. However we don’t have the *proven* competitive team at this moment.
I don’t know how anyone can proclaim top 2 or 6 is the current success measure? sure that is an objective but GC20 might say that’s within a 2-5 year period, or thy might say no time like the present.
Let’s see what we spend because that will be an indication of the pace at which we aim to push upwards. It will likely take time to bring a champ top 2 ready side together, will our targets all come immediately, it might take a year to demonstrate that we are a stable championship team for these players to come. [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 22:56]
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 22:32 - Jun 7 with 2711 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The long-term plan is promotion to the Premier League. Success will be progress towards that. If we are not performing at or close to top 6 level towards the end of the season, I think it would be a concern. Building towards at least the play-offs the following season.
We are not going to throw money at short-term promotion either. We want to build a squad that will be ready to stay in the Premier League too. However, I suspect that GameChanger's goal might well be to get into the Premier League and sell up. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 07:52 - Jun 8 with 2522 views | BlueBoots |
I think his success metric will be exactly the same as last season...
a) Start the season with the strongest squad possible
b) Get the squad up to speed as quickly as possible in pre-season to hit the ground running
c) Prepare for every game meticulously and go into it aiming for a win
d) Reinforce the squad in the winter window to compensate for any injuries / loss of form
e) End the season in the position we deserve
We have a very talented manager, a strong, settled squad, a feel-good factor around the whole club, and momentum; I see no reason why the position we deserve shouldn't be a good one. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 08:01 - Jun 8 with 2492 views | FrimleyBlue |
Depends on the outlay and what is the target set by the owners. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 08:07 - Jun 8 with 2494 views | Churchman |
Top six has to be the target.
If we fail to get close to that it’ll be ok as long as progress can be seen, i.e. some good performances, improving team, build for challenge 24/25. Growth and progression.
I’m confident that the Championship isn’t all that. Not from what I’ve seen of it. Good organisation and a sprinkling of good players is all you need to get out of it in my view. But I don’t know and I don’t know how close the existing excellent for L1 squad is for the next level. It’ll be interesting and a huge learning curve.
A lot obviously depends on who stays, who we acquire and what/how Gamechanger invest into the club. One thing is for sure, we will be better prepared as a club for the challenge than we’ve been in years. |  | | |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 08:47 - Jun 8 with 2456 views | tractorboy1978 |
'Within a decade' is miles off. They will want the momentum to keep going this summer and will be financially backing one of the best managers outside the PL to build a squad that can get in and around the top 6. There is no intention to stand still here. | | | |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 11:43 - Jun 8 with 2332 views | CityBlue |
play offs secured my March, late push for autos. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 11:52 - Jun 8 with 2320 views | GlasgowBlue |
I would imagine Game Changer want us in the Premier league far sooner than a decade. Probably within 5 years. And we are two years into their ownership.
As a realistic supporter, I'd be happy with consolidating our position within the championship. But there is a lot of momentum within the team and the fan base so I would imagine our target will be a minimum of reaching the play offs.
Sunderland achievement this season has raised expectations far higher than perhaps they should be. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:08 - Jun 8 with 2295 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Anything 12th upwards would be a good season for us.
My issue is, if we came 7th which would be an amazing season, Mckenna would have even more suitors than he has now. So lets just come 1st and that will be ok. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:13 - Jun 8 with 2282 views | chicoazul |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 21:28 - Jun 7 by Mullet |
I'd hope there's a 2/3 year plan to reach the Prem - the only way that changes for me is if we spend huge sums suddenly this summer.
Regardless of whether we think either are right or wrong, it's impossible to know what conversations he and MA have had so far. I can't imagine anything less than top half initially. |
We are going to spend huge sums this summer. We will break our transfer record at least once. The team will be completely overhauled in all but 2 or 3 positions. |  |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:14 - Jun 8 with 2279 views | SheffordBlue |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:13 - Jun 8 by chicoazul |
We are going to spend huge sums this summer. We will break our transfer record at least once. The team will be completely overhauled in all but 2 or 3 positions. |
It's fascinating to see the spectrum of opinions on this. From this type of sentiment to something like Phil's 'evolution not revolution' feeling about it. | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:15 - Jun 8 with 2274 views | BlueNomad |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 22:32 - Jun 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The long-term plan is promotion to the Premier League. Success will be progress towards that. If we are not performing at or close to top 6 level towards the end of the season, I think it would be a concern. Building towards at least the play-offs the following season.
We are not going to throw money at short-term promotion either. We want to build a squad that will be ready to stay in the Premier League too. However, I suspect that GameChanger's goal might well be to get into the Premier League and sell up. |
I don't think Gamechanger would sell up straight away. I think they will want to see us established first - a bit like Brighton for example. (Not Brentford because I suspect they have peaked) |  | | |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:23 - Jun 8 with 2254 views | the_toff |
Relegation: Disaster, for him and the club
15th - 20th: Little underwhelming, but consolidated in the Champ and conversely probably makes him more likely to stay put
9th - 14th: Probably par, for all the talk of high ambition it's a hard league and will take some adjustment. Mid table would be a decent 1st season at this level and look to kick on from there with a bit of a better idea of where we're at and where we're short.
7th-8th: Very good Davis.
3rd - 6th: Excellent season, to go up and finish in the p/offs would be a heck of a result.
1st - 2nd: Knight him. Where would the statue go? Old Staples site? | | | |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 15:00 - Jun 8 with 2162 views | chicoazul |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 12:14 - Jun 8 by SheffordBlue |
It's fascinating to see the spectrum of opinions on this. From this type of sentiment to something like Phil's 'evolution not revolution' feeling about it. |
Phil is talking about volume not quality. | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 15:06 - Jun 8 with 2141 views | SheffordBlue |
| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 15:00 - Jun 8 by chicoazul |
Phil is talking about volume not quality. |
Yes - which seems to be at the other end of the spectrum to the complete overhaul that you're suggesting (unless I've misunderstood it somewhere) | |
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| What do you think KM's success metric will be this season? on 15:27 - Jun 8 with 2124 views | Kropotkin123 |
He's ambitious and has a winning mentality. I think McKenna believes he had been building a team to get out of the Championship. It largely depends on who we get in, but I think he would assess it as
Relegated: tragedy
Struggling but safe: Disappointing, but we'll make a lot of changes next year
Mid table: Disappointed not to be higher, but good base line to grow from (like 21/22)
Playoff/challenging for play offs: great
Promoted/challenging for automatics: fantastic
Personally speaking, I think some people are thinking about league positions a little off. I'd pose it more as a few questions.
1. Current squad assessment
2. Do you think we we recruit well enough this summer to be better than that by January?
3. Do you think we we recruit well enough this summer to be better than that by January?
If someone said the team is 1. relegation quality. I'd say 2. Yes. 3. Yes. This would put us mid table.
So for me, even if we a relegation bound, I still think we are going to end up a minimum of mid table.
I currently think we are somewhere between mid table and struggling but safe. I think we will likely be somewhere between play contenders and mid table by January. I think we will either make the play offs or be play off contenders. I would be happy with mid table. Below that would be a disappointment, given our resources, two transfer windows, and the manner in which we finished last season. |  |
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