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Because it's the (unfortunate) nature of modern football.
Media access to clubs these days is so tightly controlled, that outlets have to tread the very fine line between editorial independence, and not biting the hand that feeds them.
Given that, without club access, TWTD would lose one of its main selling points, one can't blame Phil for publishing the party line.
I think that is harsh. Phil has said it wasn't an official visit via an invitation from the club.
Reform were there as paying members of the public. Something TWTD has not give any opinion on.
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:00 - Mar 24 by Zx1988
Because it's the (unfortunate) nature of modern football.
Media access to clubs these days is so tightly controlled, that outlets have to tread the very fine line between editorial independence, and not biting the hand that feeds them.
Given that, without club access, TWTD would lose one of its main selling points, one can't blame Phil for publishing the party line.
So they are pushing propaganda they don’t actually believe?
Who printed the name on the shirts if it wasn’t the club?
Incorrect use of the word official and cowardly journalism.
I've not posted anything supporting the club, have just given an outline of what's happened and the thinking behind it. I think they have misjudged the situation as I think the furore had they stopped the visit would have been less than has been the case and would have been widely supported by fans.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:03 - Mar 24 with 3507 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:06 - Mar 24 by Churchman
That is grossly unfair in my view. Phil has reported what he sees.
Please explain why that is supporting the club regarding Reform.
The headline is simply untrue.
No official invitation is not the same as no official involvement. They would have taken the booking, printed the shirts, enabled the photoshoot.
This whole saga is just going to give more entitlement to the nastier part of our fanbase we already have. I suspect that there will be an increase in the vile songs and generally discriminatory behaviour over the next few games, especially away games.
The club, and now to a lesser extent, TWTD will be complicit.
Oh come off it, they’re not supporting it are they, they’re reporting it. Media literacy is at an all time low in this country and I have no idea what they are teaching you in these schools nowadays.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:02 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
I've not posted anything supporting the club, have just given an outline of what's happened and the thinking behind it. I think they have misjudged the situation as I think the furore had they stopped the visit would have been less than has been the case and would have been widely supported by fans.
I do think in this case that you reporting the club trying to wipe their hands of it in a damage limiting way is enabling them somewhat. They’ve had plenty of chances to either completely stop or it nip it in the bud yesterday once they knew they were there.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:20 - Mar 24 with 3166 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:12 - Mar 24 by RKD
The headline is simply untrue.
No official invitation is not the same as no official involvement. They would have taken the booking, printed the shirts, enabled the photoshoot.
This whole saga is just going to give more entitlement to the nastier part of our fanbase we already have. I suspect that there will be an increase in the vile songs and generally discriminatory behaviour over the next few games, especially away games.
The club, and now to a lesser extent, TWTD will be complicit.
Under what grounds does the club ban an elected member of parliament from booking a stadium tour with their own funding, I would imagine not even booked to indicate it was reform or Farage, so I doubt the club knew who was attending in advance.
Having them established it was Farage, if the club was to then prevent entry on the day, it would be a media frenzy for Reform and Co.
Please rationally and calmly justify that without giving Farage and co a platform to bleat on about not having free speech or their political views being suppressed how could the club have prevented this.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:31 - Mar 24 with 3028 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:25 - Mar 24 by bsw72
Under what grounds does the club ban an elected member of parliament from booking a stadium tour with their own funding, I would imagine not even booked to indicate it was reform or Farage, so I doubt the club knew who was attending in advance.
Having them established it was Farage, if the club was to then prevent entry on the day, it would be a media frenzy for Reform and Co.
Please rationally and calmly justify that without giving Farage and co a platform to bleat on about not having free speech or their political views being suppressed how could the club have prevented this.
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It really isn't difficult
Don't cancel the entry, afterall it's a paid for tour
but the club CAN control the photo opportunities within the tour and the useage of the club's logo, sponsors and the dressing room being changed for the purposes of hosting reform.
That's the issue. It's not the booking itself, but the allowance of reform to utilise the club for it's own gains.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:25 - Mar 24 by bsw72
Under what grounds does the club ban an elected member of parliament from booking a stadium tour with their own funding, I would imagine not even booked to indicate it was reform or Farage, so I doubt the club knew who was attending in advance.
Having them established it was Farage, if the club was to then prevent entry on the day, it would be a media frenzy for Reform and Co.
Please rationally and calmly justify that without giving Farage and co a platform to bleat on about not having free speech or their political views being suppressed how could the club have prevented this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 11:30]
Mainly - on the grounds that the club promotes inclusivity and community engagement and the values and policies of ReformUK are a direct contradiction to this. There are ITFC fans living in Ipswich who Farage wants to deport, and the club should have been conscious of this.
The club should have a greater control of their property and imagery and should not allow it to be used to promote quote “Right Wing” politicians. The club should remain politically neutral, and yes, I include other parties in this statement, though their imagery would have done less harm.
It is irresponsible and it will give an already existent group of racist fans more license and entitlement to sing racist and discriminatory chants.
They have a responsibility to their sponsors to protect their image, and they will likely face retribution from Halo, Tingly Teds and Birketts who had found their logo featured on an official ReformUK social media page this morning.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:02 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
I've not posted anything supporting the club, have just given an outline of what's happened and the thinking behind it. I think they have misjudged the situation as I think the furore had they stopped the visit would have been less than has been the case and would have been widely supported by fans.
With respect, Phil, correctly judging situations like this is very important if the club wants to be a pillar of the community. It has a responsibility to the supporters AND the community in Ipswich and wider Suffolk and has made an enormous error here.
It is either a failure of the management of these events (I have heard someone say these tours are run by a group of 2/3 young lads, who could easily be overrun by Farage and his cronies), or a disastrously bad decision. Either way, a public statement (and, with all respect, an OTR briefing to you guys is flaccid, to say the least) is the least that should happen here.
If this was an active decision to allow this to happen, by anyone of any seniority, they should be sacked.
Coming 18 months after we allowed our captain to stick two fingers up to the gay and trans community and two months after a valuable asset was sent out on loan to preserve squad harmony, something is pretty rotten in the state of Denmark, I'm afraid.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:41 - Mar 24 by Superfrans
With respect, Phil, correctly judging situations like this is very important if the club wants to be a pillar of the community. It has a responsibility to the supporters AND the community in Ipswich and wider Suffolk and has made an enormous error here.
It is either a failure of the management of these events (I have heard someone say these tours are run by a group of 2/3 young lads, who could easily be overrun by Farage and his cronies), or a disastrously bad decision. Either way, a public statement (and, with all respect, an OTR briefing to you guys is flaccid, to say the least) is the least that should happen here.
If this was an active decision to allow this to happen, by anyone of any seniority, they should be sacked.
Coming 18 months after we allowed our captain to stick two fingers up to the gay and trans community and two months after a valuable asset was sent out on loan to preserve squad harmony, something is pretty rotten in the state of Denmark, I'm afraid.
Nevertheless, the OP was condemning TWTD, not ITFC.
Seems to be confusion on this thread now,. Phil is a card-carrying journalist, his primary job - duty even - is to report news.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:12 - Mar 24 by RKD
The headline is simply untrue.
No official invitation is not the same as no official involvement. They would have taken the booking, printed the shirts, enabled the photoshoot.
This whole saga is just going to give more entitlement to the nastier part of our fanbase we already have. I suspect that there will be an increase in the vile songs and generally discriminatory behaviour over the next few games, especially away games.
The club, and now to a lesser extent, TWTD will be complicit.
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:59 - Mar 24 with 2724 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:25 - Mar 24 by bsw72
Under what grounds does the club ban an elected member of parliament from booking a stadium tour with their own funding, I would imagine not even booked to indicate it was reform or Farage, so I doubt the club knew who was attending in advance.
Having them established it was Farage, if the club was to then prevent entry on the day, it would be a media frenzy for Reform and Co.
Please rationally and calmly justify that without giving Farage and co a platform to bleat on about not having free speech or their political views being suppressed how could the club have prevented this.
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Christ. Under what grounds you ask?
Ground Regulations, Section 1.2: “whose presence within the Ground is, or could (in the Club’s reasonable opinion), constitute a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person.”
Translation for the terminally online: ITFC can get rid of literally anyone they fancy if they reckon your vibes are annoying.
Private booking? “We didn’t know it was Farage!”, fella, the club’s not running a blindfolded lucky dip - they’ve got eyes and the internet.
They could’ve simply said, “Sorry Nige, your presence is a ‘nuisance’ - policy 1.2 applies, enjoy your refund and the car park view.”
But nah. Instead they presumably sat on a Teams call doing the world’s saddest cost-benefit analysis: “Cancel and get Reform screeching about censorship… or let him in and just upset the actual fans who pay our wages?” And they chose the pathetic and spineless option. An absolute masterclass in corporate cowardice.
Get away out of that
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:01 - Mar 24 with 2690 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:58 - Mar 24 by PhilTWTD
That's a misreading of the headline and the story. The implication from Reform's social media is that they were given some sort of special access to the club, welcomed in in an official capacity by those in charge of Town, which isn't true and that's what the story and headline is intended to convey. It was a tour and they evidently squeezed everything they could out of it, bringing their own shirts etc along with them, something the club probably should have realised would be the case and would blow up in their face.
But even if that is indeed the case the club have had ample opportunity to now distance themselves from it and lay out exactly that - why haven’t they?
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:02 - Mar 24 with 2681 views
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:41 - Mar 24 by Superfrans
With respect, Phil, correctly judging situations like this is very important if the club wants to be a pillar of the community. It has a responsibility to the supporters AND the community in Ipswich and wider Suffolk and has made an enormous error here.
It is either a failure of the management of these events (I have heard someone say these tours are run by a group of 2/3 young lads, who could easily be overrun by Farage and his cronies), or a disastrously bad decision. Either way, a public statement (and, with all respect, an OTR briefing to you guys is flaccid, to say the least) is the least that should happen here.
If this was an active decision to allow this to happen, by anyone of any seniority, they should be sacked.
Coming 18 months after we allowed our captain to stick two fingers up to the gay and trans community and two months after a valuable asset was sent out on loan to preserve squad harmony, something is pretty rotten in the state of Denmark, I'm afraid.
If someone was sacked for allowing an elected politician to go on a public tour paid for with his own money, the employment tribunal would be pretty short and the sacked employee would win.
Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 11:31 - Mar 24 by FrimleyBlue
It really isn't difficult
Don't cancel the entry, afterall it's a paid for tour
but the club CAN control the photo opportunities within the tour and the useage of the club's logo, sponsors and the dressing room being changed for the purposes of hosting reform.
That's the issue. It's not the booking itself, but the allowance of reform to utilise the club for it's own gains.
Exactly this, Frimmers.
Its the use of the ITFC brand to promote Reform that is hugely problematic, and I'd think the same whatever party it was, but with the added context of Reform/Farage being openly against lots that the the club tries to stand for, this has an added edge.
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Why is TWTD supporting the club regarding ReformUK? on 12:04 - Mar 24 by Dubtractor
Exactly this, Frimmers.
Its the use of the ITFC brand to promote Reform that is hugely problematic, and I'd think the same whatever party it was, but with the added context of Reform/Farage being openly against lots that the the club tries to stand for, this has an added edge.
Still, when Norwich chant "Nigel Farage, he's one of your own" we can - accurately - reply "Liz Truss, she's one of your own".
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