| Evans - Mr unlucky? 16:08 - Feb 13 with 4108 views | Lord_Lucan |
I know it is popular to moan at Evans and I am no longer as big an apologist of him as I was, after all he is in possession of a club that is in a desperate crisis and probably hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I also think his treatment of Magilton was very poor - but most of the time he has done exactly what the fans have wanted.
Roy Keane; He was a big name with big ambitions and most people were very excited when he joined. It failed and everyone wanted him out so he went.
Jewell; I'm on the fence with this one as I thought it was a strange choice but he did wonders at Wigan. I don't recall many people being too upset. It went tits up and then we clearly needed a Steady Eddie to save us
Mick Mack; Saved us from relegation and welcomed by fans. Went on to produce some exciting football. I remember against Brentford on Boxing day we looked magnificent. Should have strengthened after Brentford but I don't think Mick was keen as he didn't want to upset the applecart. From memory (and I am prepared to be corrected) money was available.
Love him or loathe him it was pretty bloody terrible towards the end, fans were screaming for a young up and coming track suit manager.
Paul Hurst; Fans got their young track suit manager and it was a disaster.
Paul Lambert; Welcomed by fans and for a short time it was banners galore all over the ground. RAMBO LAMBO was the man.
By and large Evans has done exactly what fans have asked, he keeps the club from bankruptcy and doesn't get involved with team affairs. He has at points during his tenure put a few quid in although got his fingers burnt badly by Keane.
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:12 - Feb 13 with 3503 views | jayessess |
I think you need to distinguish between Evans "doing what the fans wanted" and fans making an effort to be hopeful after Evans does the hiring.
Arguably the only appointment on this list for which their was genuine pre-appointment fan enthusiasm was Hurst. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:14 - Feb 13 with 3495 views | Ace_High1 |
Is that not where the problem lies?
He should not do what the fans want, he is a businessman and owner of the business, if he had a strategy that would influence his decisions not a few spotty oiks shouting from the stands.
The fact is he is a failure as an owner, as a business owner and leader (as you know), you live and die by your ability to make the right decisions at the right time. Evans is a failure. |  | | |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:17 - Feb 13 with 3464 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:12 - Feb 13 by jayessess |
I think you need to distinguish between Evans "doing what the fans wanted" and fans making an effort to be hopeful after Evans does the hiring.
Arguably the only appointment on this list for which their was genuine pre-appointment fan enthusiasm was Hurst. |
"Pre-appointment fan enthusiasm"? It's not as if fans have a list of candidates all of the time. When Keane came most were going mad with delight at such a coup.
What I'm getting at is the appointments have all pretty much been met with much approval. | |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:20 - Feb 13 with 3434 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:14 - Feb 13 by Ace_High1 |
Is that not where the problem lies?
He should not do what the fans want, he is a businessman and owner of the business, if he had a strategy that would influence his decisions not a few spotty oiks shouting from the stands.
The fact is he is a failure as an owner, as a business owner and leader (as you know), you live and die by your ability to make the right decisions at the right time. Evans is a failure. |
With regret I agree with you, he has to carry the can, 100%.
I suppose I get irritated by people with short memories. | |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:22 - Feb 13 with 3404 views | footers |
I'd call him Mr Doesn't Do Due Diligence Beyond Speaking to 'arry, personally.
We don't seem to have a database of managers on our radar and every time it's a fag packet list of random names, getting progressively worse as we go. There's no one with real footballing knowledge inside the club and it shows. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:22 - Feb 13 with 3406 views | jeera |
Agree with most of that in principle and don't think that's an unfair summary at all.
Especially on Jim, thought that was poor show, and, although there were a number who didn't like the Keane appointment, loads definitely bought into the excitement and went over-board. Thought it was an awful fit myself but there you go.
Agree on PJ, by then we'd have settled for pretty much anyone. The fact he didn't come across as a total c*** was welcome on its own.
As you say and has been pointed out lots of times yet still ignored by some quarters, Mick said himself he had a happy changing room (regarding that January) and didn't want to screw it up.
Yes it was then all about Ross and Hurst and most of us were taken aback at how badly that went so fast. Again as you say, the chance being taken on this younger up and coming manager was lauded at the time.
Lambert, not everyone was convinced on that one to be fair. Evan's was more than a bit desperate by then and again, he'd tried various angles and it's clear he just doesn't know what to do next. He's at a loss which is fully understandable in that respect.
Still has a lot to answer for the way he's run things though. He shouldn't be in charge if he doesn't know what he's doing. Employ someone who does Evans ffs. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 16:33]
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:24 - Feb 13 with 3385 views | J2BLUE |
I've broadly welcomed all the managerial appointments. Trouble is his "investment strategy" is an absolute joke. Also, him giving Lambert that five year deal is entirely on him. No one asked for that.
Evans isn't evil but he is stubborn and arrogant. Refusing to accept his investment gamble paid off and ever since he's been happy to watch us slide down the league while trying to convince us we're making progress. As someone recently said on here, kind words butter no parsnips. That's my new favourite phrase. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:26 - Feb 13 with 3373 views | LankHenners |
In the same way you can make your own good luck, you can certainly make your own bad luck and this really is what Evans has done. He didn't put a great deal of thought into Keane's appointment let's be honest - 'won promotion before and will bring lots of positive publicity' was the sum of the decision making. Jewell was similarly a 'been there done it' move, then after wasting so much money cut everything back to austerity measures which has damaged the club in pretty much every department.
Mick was a very strong bit of paper over the cracks and whilst he did what nearly all wanted by going for Hurst he clearly got it wrong but part of that was letting him have free reign to chuck a stick of dynamite into the squad then try and carry on with the rubble he brought in. Lambert seemed a bit odd at the time but said all the right things, though potentially the stupidest act of his ownership was giving out the 5 year deal which has now seen him stuck employing the fraud far longer than he should have.
I'm sure everything he's done has been with the best intentions, and whilst frugal he puts his money in and his proclivity for giving managers time to get on with things should be a positive. However, he has no football brain, which wouldn't necessarily be a problem if he had a structure underneath him that did. But he doesn't, which leads to the incredibly poor decisions that he's made that have got us to this point. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:26 - Feb 13 with 3369 views | nodge_blue |
I agree with you.
All his appointments have had success at other clubs. None were complete gambles.
Its hard to say why we've gone backwards. A combination of alot of things. Not quite right in the transfer market (esp Hurst), different playing styles rather than a settled club pattern like a Brentford?, long term injury jinxes, lack of a top goal scorer over the years....
Keep hoping the tide will turn but theres little sign yet. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:26 - Feb 13 with 3367 views | jayessess |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:17 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
"Pre-appointment fan enthusiasm"? It's not as if fans have a list of candidates all of the time. When Keane came most were going mad with delight at such a coup.
What I'm getting at is the appointments have all pretty much been met with much approval. |
What I'm saying is "met with approval" is no kind of test. When a new manager comes in fans make the best of things, they try to be hopeful. No one, absolutely no one, actively wanted Paul Lambert to become Ipswich manager. When he was appointed, people came up with reasons to approve of it. | |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:36 - Feb 13 with 3270 views | stiff_talking |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:26 - Feb 13 by jayessess |
What I'm saying is "met with approval" is no kind of test. When a new manager comes in fans make the best of things, they try to be hopeful. No one, absolutely no one, actively wanted Paul Lambert to become Ipswich manager. When he was appointed, people came up with reasons to approve of it. |
Evans aim is to invest as little as possible each year. All decisions are made on that basis.
The reason we are not successful is there is not enough effort on Maintaining or buying quality players.
What happens on the field is not Evans priority |  | | |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:42 - Feb 13 with 3243 views | jayessess |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:36 - Feb 13 by stiff_talking |
Evans aim is to invest as little as possible each year. All decisions are made on that basis.
The reason we are not successful is there is not enough effort on Maintaining or buying quality players.
What happens on the field is not Evans priority |
Lambert was (and is) a very expensive managerial appointment. | |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:43 - Feb 13 with 3234 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:17 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
"Pre-appointment fan enthusiasm"? It's not as if fans have a list of candidates all of the time. When Keane came most were going mad with delight at such a coup.
What I'm getting at is the appointments have all pretty much been met with much approval. |
Think this is an exaggeration. Most people I knew at the time questioned whether he was a good fit for three reasons.
1. The amount of money he spent at Sunderland
2. How quickly it fell apart at Sunderland
3. His personality |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:46 - Feb 13 with 3216 views | Bluedandy |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:17 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
"Pre-appointment fan enthusiasm"? It's not as if fans have a list of candidates all of the time. When Keane came most were going mad with delight at such a coup.
What I'm getting at is the appointments have all pretty much been met with much approval. |
This is absurd logic.
Like somehow we bear responsibility for the endless managerial disasters because there were no mass protests when appointments were made.
Stop making excuses for this man and just look where we are FFS. He has destroyed our football club. | | | |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:57 - Feb 13 with 3141 views | jaykay |
although i didn't know what was going on in the background with hurst, if we had beaten the scum that sunday 2 th september things could have turned out differently. also the injury later on to walters didn't help |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 17:11 - Feb 13 with 3088 views | RegencyBlue |
I don’t recall as a fan being asked who I wanted the manager to be at any time. To attempt to pin Evans managerial appointments on the fans is an interesting defence but come on.
Did the fans also want Clegg appointed, a man with no football experience whatsoever, to run the club so they could use his Olympic connections to get their hands on tickets to sell on? A man who thought painting the turnstiles was an achievement.
Did the fans decide that they wanted the club to withdraw from community activities to save a few quid? Ok that has been reversed but what sort of idiot even contemplated this in the first place?
Did the fans decide to remove the season ticket discount from those over 60s who already had it?
Did the fans decide not to apply for CAT 1 Academy status when the system first started to save a few more quid? He tried to rectify that afterwards but again, what sort of idiot thought it was a good idea in the first place?
Did the fans decide to sell our better players, replace them with dross and bring us to the lowest position we have held for more than sixty years?
I could go on but I just can’t be bothered. All Evans has done in his time here is provide a masterclass in how not to run a football club, on and off the pitch! |  | | |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 17:21 - Feb 13 with 3049 views | Churchman |
Interesting viewpoint. Magilton: agreed. Keane: yes it was exciting but it was worrying too, given Keane’s strengths and weaknesses as a manager were well known.
Jewell: he’d done well at Wigan with £ but had been abject since. He was a joke at Derby and was dreadful from the start.
MM: agree apart from exciting football. That was rare but there was some and some exciting moments. Good 1-0 wins, late goals and a decent team for a couple of seasons. Not backed ,so Evans owns that failure. MMs time just ran out.
Hurst: yes, a lot of people were after a young tracksuit manager. Evans chose an idiot in a tracksuit. Not the same thing. Lambert: anything was better than Hurst but again, his track record after Norwich was poor. No bad luck there.
Evans is not unlucky. He is just poor and disinterested. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 19:26]
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 18:21 - Feb 13 with 2964 views | chrismakin |
This is why Evans should appoint a Chief exec who has football backround and can make those decisions.
Evans has taken advice from the wrong people. |  |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 19:14 - Feb 13 with 2872 views | mrshallisfit |
About 85% of the decisions he makes are somewhere between poor and disastrous. That's not bad luck. That's woeful leadership. | | | |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 19:23 - Feb 13 with 2830 views | Swansea_Blue |
As far as I’m aware nobody asked for any of the managers we got. The first most of us knew of them was when the inevitable paper leaks started. We certainly didn’t ask for or new in advance about his series of hapless side kicks.
There’s a logic of sorts in a lot of his decisions, but the constant failures suggest incompetence not bad luck. If you flipped it round and said SBR wasn’t that good but was just lucky, it would sound preposterous. |  |
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| No no no no on 19:24 - Feb 13 with 2828 views | unstableblue |
Football clubs these days are not just the manager, they’re about a strong board, CEO, the footballing/technical directors.... it’s all about good culture (community and fan outreach, good media relations), clear strategy, objectives and plan
Marcus thinks football clubs are about a single focal point of manager.
It’s been a disaster. |  |
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| No no no no on 19:31 - Feb 13 with 2785 views | jeera |
| No no no no on 19:24 - Feb 13 by unstableblue |
Football clubs these days are not just the manager, they’re about a strong board, CEO, the footballing/technical directors.... it’s all about good culture (community and fan outreach, good media relations), clear strategy, objectives and plan
Marcus thinks football clubs are about a single focal point of manager.
It’s been a disaster. |
"a strong board".
I keep saying this, major decisions need to be shared and sounded out and not made by a single entity.
Especially one who is so far outside his expertise. | |
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| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 19:52 - Feb 13 with 2746 views | gazzer1999 |
| Evans - Mr unlucky? on 16:17 - Feb 13 by Lord_Lucan |
"Pre-appointment fan enthusiasm"? It's not as if fans have a list of candidates all of the time. When Keane came most were going mad with delight at such a coup.
What I'm getting at is the appointments have all pretty much been met with much approval. |
Sorry not happy with the dark lord, did not step foot in Portman Road while he was manager, a disaster waiting to happen. Unfortunately the same thing now, we are stumbling along and something will have to give. But with regards Evans he is keeping us afloat and his hands are tied and yes he has been unlucky just picked the wrong manager, but thats pretty much what happens to all the other clubs in the leagues.
I do think he is making us pay though, firstly by choosing an ex budgie and now keeping him in a job he is very poor at. In hindsight would Hurst have done any worse if he was allowed to stay on?, probably not, but hindsight is a wonderful thing none of us thought after Mick Mac went thought we would end up where we are.
It will turn around just not with Lambert, he was the wrong choice to start with, we just need Evans to do now what he should have done before Christmas. Just needs to appoint from within and none of the crap thats been spoken about on here like them brothers and the like.
Appointing from within or links to the club is really Evans last choice, it can't get any worse, or can it? |  | | |
| No no no no on 19:54 - Feb 13 with 2737 views | chrismakin |
| No no no no on 19:31 - Feb 13 by jeera |
"a strong board".
I keep saying this, major decisions need to be shared and sounded out and not made by a single entity.
Especially one who is so far outside his expertise. |
Thing is, Evans isn't accountable to anyone
And unless we get into the prem, he's not getting his money back anytime soon, so unless he brings in someone who can take responsibility of hiring and firing, we're left with someone doing it that has no idea what they're doing and speaks to Arry to find out who he should go for next | |
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| No no no no on 20:35 - Feb 13 with 2657 views | blueislander |
| No no no no on 19:31 - Feb 13 by jeera |
"a strong board".
I keep saying this, major decisions need to be shared and sounded out and not made by a single entity.
Especially one who is so far outside his expertise. |
That is very true, but Evans does not work that way. He obviously wants to keep his businesses under tight control. This is very much so in respect of the finances. What is strange is that he has allowed us to build up a ridiculously large squad, so we have a number of highly paid players who are not contributing anything. A by product of this is it leaves the manager exposed to the wrath of the fans for not playing what they perceive to be our best team. This exacerbates the situation in which we find ourselves. To avoid any doubt , I am not defending Lambert, who I think, has managed pretty disastrously. | | | |
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