| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? 09:36 - Jul 4 with 2445 views | pointofblue |
For his many faults Hancock was very much putting the Covid situation first and supported maintaining legislation around masks and distancing. The story breaks, he resigns and, lo and behold, is not replaced by someone with the same mindset but by a minister who wants to re-open the country fully as soon as possible.
Almost as if it was planned... |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:55 - Jul 4 with 1795 views | Guthrum |
TBH, there weren't that many options among senior Conservatives who didn't have the "open as soon as possible" attitude. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:58 - Jul 4 with 1789 views | ElderGrizzly |
Rumour has it, that Gove was first choice but he had very similar personal issues to Hancock about to break.
Javid is simply a yes man. |  | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:02 - Jul 4 with 1762 views | ghostofescobar |
Oooo, a conspiracy theory! Possibly, but if Johnson wanted javid in, why didn’t he just sack Hancock as soon as the story broke? I get the feeling that if Hancock hadn’t resigned, Johnson wouldn’t have sacked him, so no change. And it seems that Johnson is still making noises about some restrictions being in place (eg masks on public transport), so not a massive leap away from whatever Hancock’s position was. Hancock was/is an incompetent, arrogant fool, who seemed to me to put himself (and possibly some friends who now have juicy Government contracts) first. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:02 - Jul 4 with 1755 views | Guthrum |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:58 - Jul 4 by ElderGrizzly |
Rumour has it, that Gove was first choice but he had very similar personal issues to Hancock about to break.
Javid is simply a yes man. |
Can't see that Gove would have really wanted it. Too much which could go wrong and derail his next run for the party leadership. | |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:08 - Jul 4 with 1724 views | bluelagos |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:58 - Jul 4 by ElderGrizzly |
Rumour has it, that Gove was first choice but he had very similar personal issues to Hancock about to break.
Javid is simply a yes man. |
His domestic arrangements have for whatever reason not attracted the attention of the tabloids. Maybe the preemptive action on his part has had desired effect? |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:23 - Jul 4 with 1647 views | StokieBlue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:08 - Jul 4 by bluelagos |
His domestic arrangements have for whatever reason not attracted the attention of the tabloids. Maybe the preemptive action on his part has had desired effect? |
Two people agreeing to get divorced and announcing it shouldn't attract any attention. It's a mature and sensible way to handle a change in their personal circumstances. At least that is what we know at the moment given what has been announced.
Actually seems a bit off for Labour to be asking for clarification on where he has been living for social distancing reasons when they announced they had both been living in the family home.
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:28 - Jul 4 with 1616 views | pointofblue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:02 - Jul 4 by ghostofescobar |
Oooo, a conspiracy theory! Possibly, but if Johnson wanted javid in, why didn’t he just sack Hancock as soon as the story broke? I get the feeling that if Hancock hadn’t resigned, Johnson wouldn’t have sacked him, so no change. And it seems that Johnson is still making noises about some restrictions being in place (eg masks on public transport), so not a massive leap away from whatever Hancock’s position was. Hancock was/is an incompetent, arrogant fool, who seemed to me to put himself (and possibly some friends who now have juicy Government contracts) first. |
Maybe Johnson was happy to keep Hancock in place for that reason? That he knew if he quit the balance of hawks and doves, for want of better phrase, would become tipped even further? The story leaking was probably not at Johnson’s behest hut overhand to force his hand. With the accusations of Hancock abusing his ministerial position he would have had to quit eventually.
Also Gove is already one of the key decision makers in terms of Covid so just changing his ministry wouldn’t have much affect. | |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:29 - Jul 4 with 1612 views | footers |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:23 - Jul 4 by StokieBlue |
Two people agreeing to get divorced and announcing it shouldn't attract any attention. It's a mature and sensible way to handle a change in their personal circumstances. At least that is what we know at the moment given what has been announced.
Actually seems a bit off for Labour to be asking for clarification on where he has been living for social distancing reasons when they announced they had both been living in the family home.
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Two people getting a divorce shouldn't be news, no. But what about two swamp creatures like Gove and Vine? |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:31 - Jul 4 with 1603 views | StokieBlue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:29 - Jul 4 by footers |
Two people getting a divorce shouldn't be news, no. But what about two swamp creatures like Gove and Vine? |
Fair point.
Although once again, who really cares about these two awful individuals.
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:36 - Jul 4 with 1564 views | lowhouseblue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:58 - Jul 4 by ElderGrizzly |
Rumour has it, that Gove was first choice but he had very similar personal issues to Hancock about to break.
Javid is simply a yes man. |
not sure the way he resigned as chancellor makes him conventional yes man. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:19 - Jul 4 with 1457 views | Ftnfwest |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 10:02 - Jul 4 by ghostofescobar |
Oooo, a conspiracy theory! Possibly, but if Johnson wanted javid in, why didn’t he just sack Hancock as soon as the story broke? I get the feeling that if Hancock hadn’t resigned, Johnson wouldn’t have sacked him, so no change. And it seems that Johnson is still making noises about some restrictions being in place (eg masks on public transport), so not a massive leap away from whatever Hancock’s position was. Hancock was/is an incompetent, arrogant fool, who seemed to me to put himself (and possibly some friends who now have juicy Government contracts) first. |
Almost certainly a set up but Boris didn’t have anything to do with it |  | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:19 - Jul 4 with 1456 views | bracknell_blue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 09:58 - Jul 4 by ElderGrizzly |
Rumour has it, that Gove was first choice but he had very similar personal issues to Hancock about to break.
Javid is simply a yes man. |
Javid a yes man? The same Javid that resigned as Chancellor as he did not want Johnson's principal advisor (Cummings) saying who his advisors should be and escorting his SPAD from No 11? That Javid? |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:28 - Jul 4 with 1445 views | factual_blue |
1. A highly responsible private sector security guard at the DHSC's offices in Victoria Street reviews security camera footage.
2. He sees the snog.
3. He contacts the newspapers.
4. He sends them a copy of the footage.
5. He pockets a wodge of cash.
6. The government fails to learn a lesson about the private sector. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:30 - Jul 4 with 1430 views | saxon |
Jeremy Hunt, having previously been Health Secretary, would have seemed a more logical choice to hit the ground running. | | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:35 - Jul 4 with 1406 views | eireblue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:19 - Jul 4 by bracknell_blue |
Javid a yes man? The same Javid that resigned as Chancellor as he did not want Johnson's principal advisor (Cummings) saying who his advisors should be and escorting his SPAD from No 11? That Javid? |
You could argue, that if he had a principle that No10 and No11 should be separate and distinct, and hence have different advisors, and then subsequently he goes back into a cabinet that still does that, he may not actually hold that principle.
A minimum you could take from it, is he didn’t like being subservient to Cummings.
Does the PM and chancellor still share advisors? |  | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:42 - Jul 4 with 1381 views | eireblue |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:30 - Jul 4 by saxon |
Jeremy Hunt, having previously been Health Secretary, would have seemed a more logical choice to hit the ground running. |
Was he the Health Secretary that was in charge when all the stuff stockpiled for pandemics was run down? | | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:47 - Jul 4 with 1357 views | tractordownsouth |
I saw someone claim that it was to gift Labour the Batley and Spen by election so the Tories would have to continue facing Starmer, presumably instead of a political heavyweight like Rebecca Long Bailey or Richard Burgon. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 11:59 - Jul 4 with 1292 views | Basuco |
You need to think about who could install a surveillance camera in Hancock's office in the Palace of Westminster and who passed the pictures / footage to the Murdock press, also why sit on the story for several weeks? |  | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:05 - Jul 4 with 1256 views | The_Last_Baron |
If you want to continue wearing face masks after 19th July you're free to do so. If you want to stand 3 yards from everyone, you can do that also. Not for me though. |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:05 - Jul 4 with 1260 views | WD19 |
It’s not a government led conspiracy, but he was clearly done up by some anti-lockdown types who will now get their own way. |  | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:06 - Jul 4 with 1247 views | Mullet |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:05 - Jul 4 by WD19 |
It’s not a government led conspiracy, but he was clearly done up by some anti-lockdown types who will now get their own way. |
You mean half the cabinet? |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:07 - Jul 4 with 1247 views | wkj |
It's as if the Levenson Inquiry was trying to tell them something... |  |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:10 - Jul 4 with 1223 views | WD19 |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:06 - Jul 4 by Mullet |
You mean half the cabinet? |
Well yes, but not the PM who liked having Hancock to hide behind. As much as Hancock was a wet fart and a skid mark of a man, it’s never fun to see posh bully boys win. | | | |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:20 - Jul 4 with 1192 views | footers |
| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:10 - Jul 4 by WD19 |
Well yes, but not the PM who liked having Hancock to hide behind. As much as Hancock was a wet fart and a skid mark of a man, it’s never fun to see posh bully boys win. |
Cummings is surely involved somewhere you'd have to think, no?
As I said on another thread, although it's good such a notorious chancer is gone, it worries me what having someone half-competent in post could mean over the course of this parliament. Then again, it would have been good to have someone half competent throughout this public health crisis but there ya go. | |
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| Am I being cynical or do we now know why the Hancock story leaked? on 12:33 - Jul 4 with 1167 views | Darth_Koont |
Not sure re: planning. But Hancock’s resignation has somehow justified the appointment of Javid who is one of the most ideologically extreme, neoconservative voices ... to run our most important PUBLIC service. |  |
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