| Current model clubs… 23:28 - May 28 with 9949 views | hoppy |
Which clubs would be seen as the ones for us to aspire to now, for the approach they take and the opportunities and aims that are realistic? |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 23:31 - May 28 with 5702 views | Perublue |
That club we abused with the banner I'd say mate. [Post edited 28 May 2023 23:37]
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| Current model clubs… on 00:44 - May 29 with 5568 views | DinDjarin |
Brighton. Brentford. |  | | |
| Current model clubs… on 01:40 - May 29 with 5531 views | bournemouthblue |
Brighton basically |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 04:32 - May 29 with 5486 views | readtheleaguetable |
In the short term, Burnley. Let’s go up as champions playing beautiful football. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 06:40 - May 29 with 5399 views | BlueySwede |
Manchester City. Oh, sorry, realistic you said. Barca! |  | | |
| Current model clubs… on 06:53 - May 29 with 5384 views | BlueBoots |
| Current model clubs… on 00:44 - May 29 by DinDjarin |
Brighton. Brentford. |
Definitely not Brentford - should be looking at improving the academy level football, not scrapping it completely. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 07:07 - May 29 with 5328 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Leicester? Similar sized club - won the league and cup before sinking back from where they came? | |
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| Current model clubs… on 07:25 - May 29 with 5320 views | ArnieM |
| Current model clubs… on 07:07 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Leicester? Similar sized club - won the league and cup before sinking back from where they came? |
But that was cheque book success wasn’t it. The original owner dies, and the impetus stops and they get relegated. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 07:44 - May 29 with 5284 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Current model clubs… on 07:25 - May 29 by ArnieM |
But that was cheque book success wasn’t it. The original owner dies, and the impetus stops and they get relegated. |
I don't think so, sure they had investment but it wasn't like their tittle winning squad was built on splashing the cash was it.
Plenty of homegrowns in that squad too. If anything it was tbe title win that lead to overexposure.
They went for regular CL involvement, just missed out on the final day a couple of seasons in a row and four d themselves with a huge wage bill and not the same level of income.
Foolish to think they would consistently qualify but I'd argue that those 2 near misses ultimately costs Rodgers as it meant they then couldn't afford to invest properly though as per yesterday's thread had they just signed a half decent GK even on loan they probably would have scraped across the line |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 08:06 - May 29 with 5211 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Current model clubs… on 07:25 - May 29 by ArnieM |
But that was cheque book success wasn’t it. The original owner dies, and the impetus stops and they get relegated. |
Not at all - they bought their way up ( rather like Ipswich) and overachieved for a few years based on a few shrewd signings and a core of journeymen some of whom had been in the 3rd division
Having you players and recruitment team asset stripped is unsustainable - as Southampton have shown too. | |
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| Current model clubs… on 08:10 - May 29 with 5170 views | itfcjoe |
Ipswich Wanderers - back to back promotions |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 08:12 - May 29 with 5144 views | wkj |
| Current model clubs… on 08:06 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all - they bought their way up ( rather like Ipswich) and overachieved for a few years based on a few shrewd signings and a core of journeymen some of whom had been in the 3rd division
Having you players and recruitment team asset stripped is unsustainable - as Southampton have shown too. |
Ipswich hardly bought their way up - we simply put money and investment into the team in a short time that was desperately needed over the course of many seasons. While I am nervous for what the future may hold for town when the GC20 project reaches its end, what has happened here was needed because there was only one direction we were facing had Marcus Evans remained. [Post edited 29 May 2023 8:13]
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| Current model clubs… on 08:12 - May 29 with 5138 views | Stu_boy |
Crystal palace, solid prem mid table side, well managed and not in any real danger of going down | | | |
| Current model clubs… on 08:17 - May 29 with 5091 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Ipswich Town.
They're finest football team the world has ever seen. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 08:44 - May 29 with 5010 views | Churchman |
| Current model clubs… on 08:06 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all - they bought their way up ( rather like Ipswich) and overachieved for a few years based on a few shrewd signings and a core of journeymen some of whom had been in the 3rd division
Having you players and recruitment team asset stripped is unsustainable - as Southampton have shown too. |
Every club ‘buys their way up’ one way or another. Let’s have a look at the Cup Final side:
Cooper - bought from Birmingham
Mills - Portsmouth’s youth system pillaged
Burley - plucked from Ayr (couldn’t resist a little wordplay)
Hunter - signed from Blackburn
Beattie - taken under the nose of Liverpool. Born in Carlisle
Wark - taken from Scotland
Osborne - local
Talbot - local
Mariner - mugged off Plymouth, beating West Ham to it
Geodes - from Carlisle
So, two local players in that team. Strangely the same number as in McKenna’s. Football is all about acquiring players from wherever creating the best team you can and in Ipswich’s case trading as most clubs do. They’ve always done it and always will. Only the top teams do this to excess in that they can afford anyone from anywhere and by skewing rules around yoofs can hoover up all the talented young players or take then for peanuts.
Congrats on your latest tedious ill informed swipe at Ipswich Town. But I will indulge you Mr Canary - how would you do it?
The current model club is Brighton. The trick is not to over reach yourself and remember what got you there in the first place. |  | | |
| Current model clubs… on 10:39 - May 29 with 4801 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Current model clubs… on 08:44 - May 29 by Churchman |
Every club ‘buys their way up’ one way or another. Let’s have a look at the Cup Final side:
Cooper - bought from Birmingham
Mills - Portsmouth’s youth system pillaged
Burley - plucked from Ayr (couldn’t resist a little wordplay)
Hunter - signed from Blackburn
Beattie - taken under the nose of Liverpool. Born in Carlisle
Wark - taken from Scotland
Osborne - local
Talbot - local
Mariner - mugged off Plymouth, beating West Ham to it
Geodes - from Carlisle
So, two local players in that team. Strangely the same number as in McKenna’s. Football is all about acquiring players from wherever creating the best team you can and in Ipswich’s case trading as most clubs do. They’ve always done it and always will. Only the top teams do this to excess in that they can afford anyone from anywhere and by skewing rules around yoofs can hoover up all the talented young players or take then for peanuts.
Congrats on your latest tedious ill informed swipe at Ipswich Town. But I will indulge you Mr Canary - how would you do it?
The current model club is Brighton. The trick is not to over reach yourself and remember what got you there in the first place. |
Complete and upper rubbish. You simply cannot compare Ipswich with Brighton. One is run by a local gambler who has struck lucky - the other is a franchise run by a couple of outside chancers on behalf of some US-based opportunists on behalf of a pension fund manager. The two business models are complete opposites.
Your fatuous argument that school kids trained for a decade in the ‘Ipswich way’ are somehow bought is risible. You could add Robin Turner to that list, Osman and Butcher - all played their part in a rather easy cup run - as did Mick Lambert. And don’t forget Clive Woods signed from Norwich Gothic.
Models for Ipswich to follow are probably the other franchise clubs operating on borrowed money. Man U perhaps - or being more realistic, Burnley. - but they, like everyone else will be operating at a loss and one relegation away from imploding, as indeed Sheff U were. The second division is full to overflowing of yesterdays ‘model clubs’…. Swansea, Stoke, Boro, Norwich, West Brom, Uncle Tomm Cobbley and all. Brentford and Brighton will be in Leicester’s position within five years. Brentford perhaps even next year | |
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| Current model clubs… on 10:57 - May 29 with 4760 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Current model clubs… on 08:12 - May 29 by Stu_boy |
Crystal palace, solid prem mid table side, well managed and not in any real danger of going down |
Bit meh though, Brighton and Brentford both club’s realistically could be pushing for European football and improving year on year. | | | |
| Current model clubs… on 11:01 - May 29 with 4749 views | jayessess |
The "model" is just get good footballers for less than they're worth and hopefully sell them for more than they're worth, isn't it?
There's a lot of mystique about Brighton and Brentford but essentially all they're doing is the same everyone else is trying to do but better. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 11:21 - May 29 with 4689 views | monty_radio |
| Current model clubs… on 11:01 - May 29 by jayessess |
The "model" is just get good footballers for less than they're worth and hopefully sell them for more than they're worth, isn't it?
There's a lot of mystique about Brighton and Brentford but essentially all they're doing is the same everyone else is trying to do but better. |
Though a certain Mr Robson took it to a much higher level than Brighton or Brentford could currently dream of - read the back of the S.B.R. for the achievements and the accolades.
Could it be done again? Most will say not, bearing in mind today's financial climate. But we don't need to look beyond the confines of the Portman Rd archives to discover model ways to run a successful club. | |
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| Current model clubs… on 11:26 - May 29 with 4660 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Current model clubs… on 11:21 - May 29 by monty_radio |
Though a certain Mr Robson took it to a much higher level than Brighton or Brentford could currently dream of - read the back of the S.B.R. for the achievements and the accolades.
Could it be done again? Most will say not, bearing in mind today's financial climate. But we don't need to look beyond the confines of the Portman Rd archives to discover model ways to run a successful club. |
Leicester arguably took it to a higher level than Robson. They actually won the league - and got further than any other ‘English club’ in the Chumps League too the following year. | |
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| Current model clubs… on 11:44 - May 29 with 4637 views | Guthrum |
| Current model clubs… on 10:39 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Complete and upper rubbish. You simply cannot compare Ipswich with Brighton. One is run by a local gambler who has struck lucky - the other is a franchise run by a couple of outside chancers on behalf of some US-based opportunists on behalf of a pension fund manager. The two business models are complete opposites.
Your fatuous argument that school kids trained for a decade in the ‘Ipswich way’ are somehow bought is risible. You could add Robin Turner to that list, Osman and Butcher - all played their part in a rather easy cup run - as did Mick Lambert. And don’t forget Clive Woods signed from Norwich Gothic.
Models for Ipswich to follow are probably the other franchise clubs operating on borrowed money. Man U perhaps - or being more realistic, Burnley. - but they, like everyone else will be operating at a loss and one relegation away from imploding, as indeed Sheff U were. The second division is full to overflowing of yesterdays ‘model clubs’…. Swansea, Stoke, Boro, Norwich, West Brom, Uncle Tomm Cobbley and all. Brentford and Brighton will be in Leicester’s position within five years. Brentford perhaps even next year |
Do you also grumble that petrol is no longer 75p a gallon?
It's all very well to idealise the way the Cobbolds (and others) ran football clubs in the 1970s, but that world is long gone. Mid-sized local businessmen and landowners running clubs with just their own money, staffed by all-powerful managers and home-grown players would not stand a hope of succeeding at a high level today. Those kind of setups struggle in the bottom two tiers of the League. Evans tried something similar at Town (limited expenditure, preeminent managerial responsibility, expecting much from the Academy) and got us relegated.
Unless you can be elected to run the FA and ban all TV money from the sport, we are never going back to that model. Would you have us consigned eternally to low-level obscurity in order to satisfy your personal, archaic vision of club purity?
Actually, I also think it sad how money has changed the game, ruined historic clubs, subordinated skill to funding, sacrificed eccentric benevolence to business ruthlessness - even wild profligacy. But that is the way of the world we have to live in. Nostagically decrying a lost existence is not particularly helpful in facing the hard realities of now. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 11:57 - May 29 with 4605 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Current model clubs… on 08:44 - May 29 by Churchman |
Every club ‘buys their way up’ one way or another. Let’s have a look at the Cup Final side:
Cooper - bought from Birmingham
Mills - Portsmouth’s youth system pillaged
Burley - plucked from Ayr (couldn’t resist a little wordplay)
Hunter - signed from Blackburn
Beattie - taken under the nose of Liverpool. Born in Carlisle
Wark - taken from Scotland
Osborne - local
Talbot - local
Mariner - mugged off Plymouth, beating West Ham to it
Geodes - from Carlisle
So, two local players in that team. Strangely the same number as in McKenna’s. Football is all about acquiring players from wherever creating the best team you can and in Ipswich’s case trading as most clubs do. They’ve always done it and always will. Only the top teams do this to excess in that they can afford anyone from anywhere and by skewing rules around yoofs can hoover up all the talented young players or take then for peanuts.
Congrats on your latest tedious ill informed swipe at Ipswich Town. But I will indulge you Mr Canary - how would you do it?
The current model club is Brighton. The trick is not to over reach yourself and remember what got you there in the first place. |
And of that team, people often forget that Geodes was the real gem. Hard as rock, cracking shot, crystal clear decision making. | | | |
| Current model clubs… on 12:06 - May 29 with 4571 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Current model clubs… on 10:39 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Complete and upper rubbish. You simply cannot compare Ipswich with Brighton. One is run by a local gambler who has struck lucky - the other is a franchise run by a couple of outside chancers on behalf of some US-based opportunists on behalf of a pension fund manager. The two business models are complete opposites.
Your fatuous argument that school kids trained for a decade in the ‘Ipswich way’ are somehow bought is risible. You could add Robin Turner to that list, Osman and Butcher - all played their part in a rather easy cup run - as did Mick Lambert. And don’t forget Clive Woods signed from Norwich Gothic.
Models for Ipswich to follow are probably the other franchise clubs operating on borrowed money. Man U perhaps - or being more realistic, Burnley. - but they, like everyone else will be operating at a loss and one relegation away from imploding, as indeed Sheff U were. The second division is full to overflowing of yesterdays ‘model clubs’…. Swansea, Stoke, Boro, Norwich, West Brom, Uncle Tomm Cobbley and all. Brentford and Brighton will be in Leicester’s position within five years. Brentford perhaps even next year |
What business model would you like to see Ipswich run on? Old money gained by one family because their ancestors came over with William the Conqueror and the other family starting a brewing business? |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 12:13 - May 29 with 4545 views | cbower |
| Current model clubs… on 01:40 - May 29 by bournemouthblue |
Brighton basically |
Hard to disagree. They play good football, have seemingly established themselves at a very competitive level. What we have to recognise is they are willing to sell some 'star' players when their stock is high and then reinvest the big money to maybe add 2 more quality buys. At some stage, we as Town fans may have to stomach the loss of one or two of our favourites too. |  |
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| Current model clubs… on 12:17 - May 29 with 4521 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Taking the best out of the Southampton model of bringing players through their academy and accepting they have a value when offers come in, building a team and playing football in the style of Burnley, Leicester and Brighton. Appointing staff well with good consideration and due diligence whilst leaving out the sacking a manager too rashly that Leicester fell into.
We could call it the Ipswich way modelled on a local club from the 70s. [Post edited 29 May 2023 12:28]
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