| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:12 - May 19 with 758 views | Ftnfwest |
this is barmy, if they are going to do any sort of play offs across the divisions they should start in the prem and get the bottom 3 to play off against the top 3 in the championship for a premier place next season (championship teams at home in a one off game) and so on with the other divisions. |  | |  |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:13 - May 19 with 752 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 10:57 - May 19 by Fixed_It |
There is actually some sense in what he says, in that any Points Per Game formula would inherently be unfair, and that by widening the play-off 'net' no-one can really feel too hard done by. |
I don't understand how rewarding teams based on their performance after 35/36 games is unfair. It's a pretty good indication of the best and worst teams. |  |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:13 - May 19 with 750 views | portmanking |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:10 - May 19 by Garv |
5 point behind with two games in hand, no? |
No, Burton are on 48 pts and have one game in-hand on us. |  | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:14 - May 19 with 745 views | portmanking |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:12 - May 19 by Libero |
If this happened and we went up it would be the most tinpot thing in the clubs history. |
The last 18 months of the club's history has been tinpot so why break the habit! | | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:14 - May 19 with 742 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:04 - May 19 by portmanking |
But you could draw the line at the top 10 and say only Gillingham could argue the fairness of the top 10 being the genuine top 10. Whether Gillingham have the finances or appetite to compete in this playoff would be a big question mark too. Burton are 4 pts behind us with only one game in-hand.
I don't know, it's a weird situation but I guess it's the fairest way of allowing teams to battle it out on the field rather than using raw data. |
Personally I don’t believe the playoff should be extended. I think there is a degree of logic in staging the usual 4 team playoff as that is what would usually happen at the end of a season, but by extending it then becomes an arbitrary decision as to how far down the table should be in - as you rightly point out Burton are theoretically right behind us so if we’re in with a chance then so are they
Ignoring that, PPG (or weighted PPG) should without a doubt be the metric used to determine the standings. Just taking the points gained so far is ludicrous when some teams have played more games than others - there is simply no justifiable explanation for it
Ultimately it is only being extended as the two biggest clubs in the division plus the most gobby are missing out currently, two of them by a narrow margin. It wouldn’t be happening if us, Sunderland and Peterborough were in the playoff places as it stands, and say Oxford, Wycombe and Fleetwood just outside
That this is even being considered absolutely stinks, quite frankly |  |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:16 - May 19 with 738 views | tractorboy1978 |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:08 - May 19 by portmanking |
So if we were to prevail and win 4-5 games in a row in a playoff scenario against all the teams that have been around us in the promotion mix thus far, we wouldn't have deserved it? If resuming the season in its normal state is impossible, this has to be fairest way to settle it on the pitch surely? However strange it may be. |
You have to deserve to be in that position to begin with. We are 10th, 7 points off the pace (effectively 8 points with GD) having played more games than all the teams above us. It reeks of us embarrassingly throwing our relative financial weight around to try and change the rules to suit us. [Post edited 19 May 2020 11:17]
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:17 - May 19 with 738 views | Libero |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:14 - May 19 by portmanking |
The last 18 months of the club's history has been tinpot so why break the habit! |
Don't get me wrong, I'd be made up if we went up but it's just all very un-Ipswich. |  | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:18 - May 19 with 727 views | portmanking |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:17 - May 19 by Libero |
Don't get me wrong, I'd be made up if we went up but it's just all very un-Ipswich. |
Unfortunately the Ipswich we fell in love with is long gone mate. | | | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:20 - May 19 with 717 views | Libero |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:06 - May 19 by portmanking |
On your last point - that's my primary reason for wanting us to sneak in the back door. It would be much more palatable knowing we've prevented Steve Evans' career from being upwardly mobile. |
I think for this point alone I'd be able to get behind the idea. | | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:20 - May 19 with 717 views | Pendejo |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:17 - May 19 by Libero |
Don't get me wrong, I'd be made up if we went up but it's just all very un-Ipswich. |
But imagine if we managed to follow up an impossible promotion from 10th with promotion from Championship at "1st" attempt... Now that would wind up quite a few, marvellous... Make it so [Post edited 19 May 2020 11:21]
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:21 - May 19 with 705 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:06 - May 19 by portmanking |
On your last point - that's my primary reason for wanting us to sneak in the back door. It would be much more palatable knowing we've prevented Steve Evans' career from being upwardly mobile. |
I’ve changed my mind, current standings it is! | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:23 - May 19 with 692 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:14 - May 19 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Personally I don’t believe the playoff should be extended. I think there is a degree of logic in staging the usual 4 team playoff as that is what would usually happen at the end of a season, but by extending it then becomes an arbitrary decision as to how far down the table should be in - as you rightly point out Burton are theoretically right behind us so if we’re in with a chance then so are they
Ignoring that, PPG (or weighted PPG) should without a doubt be the metric used to determine the standings. Just taking the points gained so far is ludicrous when some teams have played more games than others - there is simply no justifiable explanation for it
Ultimately it is only being extended as the two biggest clubs in the division plus the most gobby are missing out currently, two of them by a narrow margin. It wouldn’t be happening if us, Sunderland and Peterborough were in the playoff places as it stands, and say Oxford, Wycombe and Fleetwood just outside
That this is even being considered absolutely stinks, quite frankly |
I don't agree with extending the PO pool and I don't understand the logic of organising what's effectively a mini tournament if the reason they're having to make this decision in the first place is because they can't play games.
If they can play games they may as well carry on with the season. If they can't just end it now. Seems unnecessarily complex to me. | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:26 - May 19 with 686 views | m14_blue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:06 - May 19 by portmanking |
On your last point - that's my primary reason for wanting us to sneak in the back door. It would be much more palatable knowing we've prevented Steve Evans' career from being upwardly mobile. |
I’ve changed my mind, it’s a brilliant idea 😠| | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:26 - May 19 with 680 views | Steve_M |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:03 - May 19 by SitfcB |
If that happened and we went up, if you think I’d celebrate that then you’d be absolutely right! 
#COYB |
From a distance obviously. |  |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:40 - May 19 with 646 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:23 - May 19 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't agree with extending the PO pool and I don't understand the logic of organising what's effectively a mini tournament if the reason they're having to make this decision in the first place is because they can't play games.
If they can play games they may as well carry on with the season. If they can't just end it now. Seems unnecessarily complex to me. |
Staging even an enlarged playoff is far less fixtures than everyone in the league playing 8-odd games each, so I’m not sure that argument really works
I just think it’s rubbish as obviously only being proposed to look after the interests of the big clubs | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:40 - May 19 with 650 views | N2_Blue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:26 - May 19 by Steve_M |
From a distance obviously. |
To all those saying it would be a ridiculous way to go up and undeserved.
Well the season hasn't finished hence why this is being done.
One could argue the form needed to win an extended play-off may actually get us into the actual play-off should the league have been able to continue.
Based on the form and way we are playing its highly unlikely we'd need to concern ourselves with winning these if an 8-team play-off happened but should we win them i don't think it would be fair to say it's totally undeserved as that form would probably us see us sneak the top 6 in the league.
Personally they should just promote the top 2 and relegate two in my opinion |  |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:41 - May 19 with 637 views | cooperd5 |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:26 - May 19 by m14_blue |
I’ve changed my mind, it’s a brilliant idea 😠|
I'd be happy for games to be played BCD and finish the season, if we get into P/O so much the beeter - we do have a relatively easy run-in....
But I just hope whatever is decided its done quickly! |  | | |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:47 - May 19 with 608 views | tractorboy1978 |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:40 - May 19 by N2_Blue |
To all those saying it would be a ridiculous way to go up and undeserved.
Well the season hasn't finished hence why this is being done.
One could argue the form needed to win an extended play-off may actually get us into the actual play-off should the league have been able to continue.
Based on the form and way we are playing its highly unlikely we'd need to concern ourselves with winning these if an 8-team play-off happened but should we win them i don't think it would be fair to say it's totally undeserved as that form would probably us see us sneak the top 6 in the league.
Personally they should just promote the top 2 and relegate two in my opinion |
It's not really the same. Setting up and playing in a two legged play off game is a different prospect, with different pressures to playing league games. And we should know that from past play-off experiences more than anyone.
Although to be honest, all 'footballing integrity' has already gone out of the window as if we did come back playing with a full league you could end up with different looking squads and prevously injured players back fit anyway. | | | |
| I have come up with a better way of deciding the promotion spots on 11:52 - May 19 with 595 views | GeoffSentence |
It should be decided based on the number of weeks that each team has spent top of the league. That's fair isn't it? |  |
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| I have come up with a better way of deciding the promotion spots on 11:58 - May 19 with 576 views | Pendejo |
| I have come up with a better way of deciding the promotion spots on 11:52 - May 19 by GeoffSentence |
It should be decided based on the number of weeks that each team has spent top of the league. That's fair isn't it? |
Works for me | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:59 - May 19 with 573 views | Guthrum |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:40 - May 19 by N2_Blue |
To all those saying it would be a ridiculous way to go up and undeserved.
Well the season hasn't finished hence why this is being done.
One could argue the form needed to win an extended play-off may actually get us into the actual play-off should the league have been able to continue.
Based on the form and way we are playing its highly unlikely we'd need to concern ourselves with winning these if an 8-team play-off happened but should we win them i don't think it would be fair to say it's totally undeserved as that form would probably us see us sneak the top 6 in the league.
Personally they should just promote the top 2 and relegate two in my opinion |
* Relegate three. Normally would be four in L1, but reduce by one for Bury being expelled.
That is something I keep forgetting, too. [Post edited 19 May 2020 12:00]
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 12:01 - May 19 with 559 views | BrixtonBlue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:02 - May 19 by m14_blue |
Yep, we don’t deserve to go up or even have a shot at it (we wouldn’t win it anyway).
Where would the pleasure be in scumming our way up like this, particularly in empty stadiums. |
Whilst we have a mathematical chance of reaching the play offs then of course we deserve to have a shot at it. CV-19 wasn't our fault and if the rules happen to accommodate us then so be it.
I don't know why people are getting upset or embarrassed about it. All of this is out of our hands.
I know you all want us to fail just so we can get rid of Lambert, but if you look at it objectively we have been unable to complete our season through no fault of our own, and like it or not we could still have made the play offs. Feel free to be embarrassed by our current standing in the table - you're quite right, it's not good enough for ITFC - but if the rules are changed (and everyone's playing by those same rules) and we managed to get up, then there's absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about.
It will still be very tough to get up in this new proposed scenario, so if we managed it we'd have deserved it. |  |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 12:05 - May 19 with 541 views | BrixtonBlue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:11 - May 19 by Guthrum |
If we won such a play-off, then we would deserve our place, yes. But that kind of shenanigans is very arbitrary*, has no precedent and shouldn't really exist in the first place.
* Why take it down to 10th place, when the lowest two of those are some way behind on points? 3rd to 8th would make more sense. |
Because without CV-19 we could still make the play offs, however remote that might seem. | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 12:07 - May 19 with 535 views | BrixtonBlue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:12 - May 19 by Libero |
If this happened and we went up it would be the most tinpot thing in the clubs history. |
We don't make the rules so no, it wouldn't.
Your hatred of Lambert has got so strong now you actually want us to fail! | |
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| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 12:10 - May 19 with 525 views | BrixtonBlue |
| So Posh co-owner suggesting 8-team playoff WOULD involve us on 11:16 - May 19 by tractorboy1978 |
You have to deserve to be in that position to begin with. We are 10th, 7 points off the pace (effectively 8 points with GD) having played more games than all the teams above us. It reeks of us embarrassingly throwing our relative financial weight around to try and change the rules to suit us. [Post edited 19 May 2020 11:17]
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What have we done to try and change the rules? | |
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