| So six people can now meet outside 17:20 - May 28 with 6821 views | gtsb1966 |
Big gamble from the government there. If there is a second spike they will get slaughtered for that. Fingers crossed there isn't. |  | | |  |
| Monday. (n/t) on 18:54 - May 28 with 2648 views | Bloots |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:51 - May 28 by Pendejo |
So I can organise a BBQ in my dad's garden?
Dad, uncle, sister, her boyfriend, my wife and i.
Fire up the barbie! Destination Ipswich Saturday! |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 18:57 - May 28 with 2661 views | Shawsey |
To much to soon. Until the death rate per day is below 50ish, the lockdown should continue as it is. Hundreds of people still dying everyday isn't the right time at all. Why risk it now, after months of sacrifice. Just crazy. |  | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:58 - May 28 with 2656 views | bluejacko |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:51 - May 28 by Pendejo |
So I can organise a BBQ in my dad's garden?
Dad, uncle, sister, her boyfriend, my wife and i.
Fire up the barbie! Destination Ipswich Saturday! |
Yep don’t go inside and keep your distance, not hard to understand is it ? |  | | |
| I'll be fine..... on 18:58 - May 28 with 2645 views | Herbivore |
| I'll be fine..... on 17:55 - May 28 by Bloots |
….I haven't got 5 friends. |
When I first saw that I assumed it was J2. |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 19:05 - May 28 with 2629 views | m14_blue |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:34 - May 28 by Wicksy |
Yeah - it's almost as if they're trying bury the Cummings fiasco with some good news |
I really hope that isn’t the case but it’s difficult not to think it.
If so, and it turns out they’ve ignored or manipulated scientific advice for political gain, in a pandemic, that’s not great.
Can someone with more knowledge in the field (sparks) tell me if there’s potentially a scenario where a PM can be held accountable legally if his demonstrable negligence leads to unnecessary deaths? | | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:08 - May 28 with 2622 views | Shawsey |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:05 - May 28 by m14_blue |
I really hope that isn’t the case but it’s difficult not to think it.
If so, and it turns out they’ve ignored or manipulated scientific advice for political gain, in a pandemic, that’s not great.
Can someone with more knowledge in the field (sparks) tell me if there’s potentially a scenario where a PM can be held accountable legally if his demonstrable negligence leads to unnecessary deaths? |
I have no legal knowledge, but if he can't legally, we need to change the law. | | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:10 - May 28 with 2617 views | sparks |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:05 - May 28 by m14_blue |
I really hope that isn’t the case but it’s difficult not to think it.
If so, and it turns out they’ve ignored or manipulated scientific advice for political gain, in a pandemic, that’s not great.
Can someone with more knowledge in the field (sparks) tell me if there’s potentially a scenario where a PM can be held accountable legally if his demonstrable negligence leads to unnecessary deaths? |
Very much doubt that would be feasible. Would certainly be novel.
Of course- even if it were possible, a government with a big majority could change the law to exempt itself! |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 19:11 - May 28 with 2612 views | m14_blue |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:10 - May 28 by sparks |
Very much doubt that would be feasible. Would certainly be novel.
Of course- even if it were possible, a government with a big majority could change the law to exempt itself! |
Cheers, interesting.
Was more theoretical than specific anyway. | | | |
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| I'll be fine..... on 19:31 - May 28 with 2583 views | jeera |
| I'll be fine..... on 18:58 - May 28 by Herbivore |
When I first saw that I assumed it was J2. |
I thought it was Fishers! |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 19:57 - May 28 with 2547 views | BlueBadger |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:57 - May 28 by Shawsey |
To much to soon. Until the death rate per day is below 50ish, the lockdown should continue as it is. Hundreds of people still dying everyday isn't the right time at all. Why risk it now, after months of sacrifice. Just crazy. |
Because Boris needs a Distraction From Dom. |  |
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| There has been a bit of a bump on 20:02 - May 28 with 2524 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| There has been a bit of a bump on 18:02 - May 28 by Guthrum |
in the smoothed (7-day average) figure for infections, rising by about 700, with signs of a slight "uptick" in the corresponding smoothed daily deaths numbers over the last couple of days as well. |
We are doing the aborted landing trajectory which likely terminates with an almighty crash! [Post edited 28 May 2020 20:57]
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| So six people can now meet outside on 20:44 - May 28 with 2474 views | factual_blue |
Mrs Factual and I were hoping to meet up with three other people - our hopes have been shattered. |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 20:55 - May 28 with 2465 views | factual_blue |
| So six people can now meet outside on 19:57 - May 28 by BlueBadger |
Because Boris needs a Distraction From Dom. |
johnson and cummings - dick and dom | |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 21:29 - May 28 with 2433 views | gtsb1966 |
| So six people can now meet outside on 20:55 - May 28 by factual_blue |
johnson and cummings - dick and dom |
Or Sub & Dom. | | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 21:42 - May 28 with 2422 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| So six people can now meet outside on 17:55 - May 28 by reusersfreekicks |
Agree - older teenagers and early 20s are out and about together - no police anywhere to be seen even though a park is the obvious location.
Plus people are already meeting in bigger groups from more than 1 household already. As long as 2m rule kept number of people doesn't seem all that relevant? |
Speaking as a police officer I’ve been to p!$$ on many people’s parties and gatherings but there simply isn’t enough police to cover the ‘actual criminal activity’ let alone that wishy washy hastily cobbled together “guidance” this govt thought was appropriate.
Police powers are pretty much useless when it comes to COVID and if I send people packing they’ll go elsewhere or simply return in half an hour knowing police simply can’t monitor every public place |  | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 21:42 - May 28 with 2420 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
What did the scientific advisors have to say about it?
Or indeed about whether Cummings broke the rules while we are about it. |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 21:54 - May 28 with 2401 views | Plums |
Gambling isn’t something a government should be doing in a pandemic. |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:24 - May 29 with 2297 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all - in theory.
People who have not got the virus cant give it to each other no matter how hard they try. In most parts of the country there is no evidence of any viruses in households locked down for 9 weeks... and even IF they have the virus keeping a distance outside should be adequate protection.
Plus this is herd immunity in disguise with the added benefit of track and tracing.... they have to find some cases from somewhere to get the track and trace system operating.... and this might trigger that - with the added bonus of knowing who your recent contacts are.
The big worry about the this somewhat reckless approach is that we are still not testing or isolating the only people actually in contact with the disease at least once a week.... NHS staff, carers etc. - which simply HAS to be where the virus is still coming from, unless you see to the somewhat worrying results of the only UK survey so far which showed a mere 70% of positive tests come from asymptomatic people. | |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:33 - May 29 with 2286 views | GlasgowBlue |
In Scotland it’s 8 people. And the R rate is higher up here.
Sturgeon trying to deflect from the Cummings row? |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:38 - May 29 with 2272 views | StokieBlue |
| So six people can now meet outside on 09:24 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all - in theory.
People who have not got the virus cant give it to each other no matter how hard they try. In most parts of the country there is no evidence of any viruses in households locked down for 9 weeks... and even IF they have the virus keeping a distance outside should be adequate protection.
Plus this is herd immunity in disguise with the added benefit of track and tracing.... they have to find some cases from somewhere to get the track and trace system operating.... and this might trigger that - with the added bonus of knowing who your recent contacts are.
The big worry about the this somewhat reckless approach is that we are still not testing or isolating the only people actually in contact with the disease at least once a week.... NHS staff, carers etc. - which simply HAS to be where the virus is still coming from, unless you see to the somewhat worrying results of the only UK survey so far which showed a mere 70% of positive tests come from asymptomatic people. |
Your first and second paragraphs totally contradict each other.
How can it be herd immunity through the back door if you think that most households in the country haven't shown any virus for 9 weeks and thus can't pass it to each other?
Latest results are that 7% of the country have had it:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52837593
SB [Post edited 29 May 2020 9:38]
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:51 - May 29 with 2248 views | Steve_M |
| So six people can now meet outside on 09:33 - May 29 by GlasgowBlue |
In Scotland it’s 8 people. And the R rate is higher up here.
Sturgeon trying to deflect from the Cummings row? |
I heard you can sunbathe as well, that's really taking the piss. |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:52 - May 29 with 2245 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| So six people can now meet outside on 18:57 - May 28 by Shawsey |
To much to soon. Until the death rate per day is below 50ish, the lockdown should continue as it is. Hundreds of people still dying everyday isn't the right time at all. Why risk it now, after months of sacrifice. Just crazy. |
Totally agree.
Seven day rolling averages suggest we have plateaued and they are not dropping quick enough. It is literally throwing peoples lives away to save the economy.
7 day rolling case avg: 2620.71
7 day rolling hosp death avg: 167.14
7 day rolling all deaths avg: 256.43 |  |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 09:57 - May 29 with 2238 views | DarkHorse |
| So six people can now meet outside on 09:51 - May 29 by Steve_M |
I heard you can sunbathe as well, that's really taking the piss. |
It really is, everyone knows that sunshine is more deadly to the Scots than any virus. |  | | |
| So six people can now meet outside on 10:40 - May 29 with 2217 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So six people can now meet outside on 09:51 - May 29 by Steve_M |
I heard you can sunbathe as well, that's really taking the piss. |
They’re just tormenting is with that aren’t they. | |
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| So six people can now meet outside on 10:43 - May 29 with 2212 views | Libero |
| So six people can now meet outside on 09:24 - May 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all - in theory.
People who have not got the virus cant give it to each other no matter how hard they try. In most parts of the country there is no evidence of any viruses in households locked down for 9 weeks... and even IF they have the virus keeping a distance outside should be adequate protection.
Plus this is herd immunity in disguise with the added benefit of track and tracing.... they have to find some cases from somewhere to get the track and trace system operating.... and this might trigger that - with the added bonus of knowing who your recent contacts are.
The big worry about the this somewhat reckless approach is that we are still not testing or isolating the only people actually in contact with the disease at least once a week.... NHS staff, carers etc. - which simply HAS to be where the virus is still coming from, unless you see to the somewhat worrying results of the only UK survey so far which showed a mere 70% of positive tests come from asymptomatic people. |
Thick as mince. |  | | |
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