| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr 10:39 - May 14 with 20430 views | Vic |
Woolfie, KVY and Dobra that he doesn’t want them. It could well be that he’s sat them down and said ‘Here’s the deal Luke, I know I’ve been tough and said some harsh things, and I will be bringing in a whole batch of new players. But I’d like you to stay and be part of this, however, if after this season you want to go I will understand that and won’t stand in your way.’
I think that’s quite feasible and very different to saying he wants them out. I mean, it’s clear he rates them, and Norwood, so why would he bin them? I think there’s more to this than we think, and I wonder if we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Clearly Watson and Warren know more than they are letting on at the moment. They are running the story in a way that generates clicks for their paper (it’s what they are paid for), but they said themselves in the podcast that there’s things they know but haven’t said. [Post edited 14 May 2021 10:41]
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 12:39 - May 14 with 3018 views | clive_baker |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 11:08 - May 14 by Vic |
Again, I don’t doubt that. I’m sure we probably all hope that Jackson, Edwards and a few others get bought.
Am I allowed to ask if your statement apply to any of the youngsters we’d all like to stay? |
Yes it does. I certainly wanted him to stay, but he's been told in no uncertain terms that he needs to go and find a club. 2 minute chat with Cook, told he isn't part of his plans. |  |
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| Not really.... on 12:41 - May 14 with 3000 views | Hullblue |
| Not really.... on 12:27 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
For the majority, its the first one "you need to find a new club because I'm not going to play you" |
Do you know if that applies to Dozzell, Joe? |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 12:43 - May 14 with 2979 views | chrismakin |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 12:39 - May 14 by clive_baker |
Yes it does. I certainly wanted him to stay, but he's been told in no uncertain terms that he needs to go and find a club. 2 minute chat with Cook, told he isn't part of his plans. |
Got to be Bish? [Post edited 14 May 2021 12:45]
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| Not really.... on 12:52 - May 14 with 2941 views | Dubtractor |
| Not really.... on 12:04 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
Being for sale at the right price is very different to being told to find a new club and the majority of the squad are in the latter camp |
I'm slightly surprised by the extent people are trying to disprove/disbelieve the EADT story tbh.
Cook has made it clear for ages there was going to be a huge clearout.
Phil has been saying for weeks there was going to be very few of the current squad left.
EADT have now reported that the players have been told this.
Several reliable posters on here have said that they have heard the same from the horses mouth.
But people are still seemingly determined not to believe it.
FWIW - I think it is a bit too dramatic, and would like to see Dozzell, Woolf, Downes and Dobra given a chance with a decent team, but the cold hard fact is that all of those players have been part of a bang average 3rd division team for 2 seasons. Maybe they just aren't as good as we'd like to believe? [Post edited 14 May 2021 12:54]
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| Not really.... on 13:04 - May 14 with 2896 views | Herbivore |
| Not really.... on 12:52 - May 14 by Dubtractor |
I'm slightly surprised by the extent people are trying to disprove/disbelieve the EADT story tbh.
Cook has made it clear for ages there was going to be a huge clearout.
Phil has been saying for weeks there was going to be very few of the current squad left.
EADT have now reported that the players have been told this.
Several reliable posters on here have said that they have heard the same from the horses mouth.
But people are still seemingly determined not to believe it.
FWIW - I think it is a bit too dramatic, and would like to see Dozzell, Woolf, Downes and Dobra given a chance with a decent team, but the cold hard fact is that all of those players have been part of a bang average 3rd division team for 2 seasons. Maybe they just aren't as good as we'd like to believe? [Post edited 14 May 2021 12:54]
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Regarding the last paragraph, some context is needed. Woolf and Downes were both very good in 2019/20 hence both attracting interest last summer. It's no coincidence that as young players they produced when paired with the likes of Chambo and Skuse. This season both have been in and out of the side and when Woolf has played he's been paired with a complete rookie in McGuiness. Not the best conditions for him to thrive.
Dozzer and Dobra were far from first team regulars in 2019/20 so it's not really fair to say they've been part of a midtable side for 2 years. Dobra hasn't had loads of chances this year either but has shown glimpses of being quality. Dozzell has been hit and miss but he's been asked to play a challenging role in his first season as a regular starter, often with no experience alongside him, and in a side that has generally been a car crash.
These players have had good performances at this level, some of them lots of them, and some have even looked capable in a number of appearances at the level above. I don't really buy the narrative that they simply aren't good enough. I'd expect most (if not all) of them to end up in a higher division than us next season should we sell them. Personally I'd rather see how they do after a full preseason and with better players alongside them as their upside is considerable, but it seems Cook doesn't fancy himself to get a tune out of them. [Post edited 14 May 2021 13:06]
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| Not really.... on 13:04 - May 14 with 2891 views | itfcjoe |
| Not really.... on 12:41 - May 14 by Hullblue |
Do you know if that applies to Dozzell, Joe? |
I don't sorry |  |
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| Not really.... on 13:05 - May 14 with 2889 views | pointofblue |
| Not really.... on 12:52 - May 14 by Dubtractor |
I'm slightly surprised by the extent people are trying to disprove/disbelieve the EADT story tbh.
Cook has made it clear for ages there was going to be a huge clearout.
Phil has been saying for weeks there was going to be very few of the current squad left.
EADT have now reported that the players have been told this.
Several reliable posters on here have said that they have heard the same from the horses mouth.
But people are still seemingly determined not to believe it.
FWIW - I think it is a bit too dramatic, and would like to see Dozzell, Woolf, Downes and Dobra given a chance with a decent team, but the cold hard fact is that all of those players have been part of a bang average 3rd division team for 2 seasons. Maybe they just aren't as good as we'd like to believe? [Post edited 14 May 2021 12:54]
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To be fair to Downes and Woolfenden they were very good in 19/20 and average in 20/21 when surrounded by a weaker squad. I admit Dozzell and Bishop have flattered to deceive far too often. |  |
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| Not really.... on 13:14 - May 14 with 2849 views | clive_baker |
| Not really.... on 13:05 - May 14 by pointofblue |
To be fair to Downes and Woolfenden they were very good in 19/20 and average in 20/21 when surrounded by a weaker squad. I admit Dozzell and Bishop have flattered to deceive far too often. |
Valid points. After the past couple of seasons, you could make a case for just about all of our players leaving I guess. Personally, I think there's a handful that have something to offer. But for me it's as much for me about how things are done. There's a certain standard I would expect and it all just lacks a bit of class IMO. Maybe I'm a bit old school with it, but for someone who has been at the club since they were 7 years old, you would think they might've commanded a bit more respect than a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why. It's not about being sentimental, and admittedly I'm not perfectly neutral in it, but the callousness of it all p1sses me off to be honest. | |
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| Not really.... on 13:14 - May 14 with 2845 views | Vic |
| Not really.... on 12:27 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
For the majority, its the first one "you need to find a new club because I'm not going to play you" |
Blimey, that’s a bit drastic! It’s not I’d have done it but he’s the manger, watches them train and knows what the ceo and owners are thinking and expect.
No more mr nice guy Cook! | |
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| Not really.... on 13:16 - May 14 with 2835 views | pointofblue |
| Not really.... on 13:14 - May 14 by clive_baker |
Valid points. After the past couple of seasons, you could make a case for just about all of our players leaving I guess. Personally, I think there's a handful that have something to offer. But for me it's as much for me about how things are done. There's a certain standard I would expect and it all just lacks a bit of class IMO. Maybe I'm a bit old school with it, but for someone who has been at the club since they were 7 years old, you would think they might've commanded a bit more respect than a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why. It's not about being sentimental, and admittedly I'm not perfectly neutral in it, but the callousness of it all p1sses me off to be honest. |
I agree but this has been Cook from practically the off. Most fans seem to like it so... | |
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| Not really.... on 13:23 - May 14 with 2811 views | Vic |
| Not really.... on 13:16 - May 14 by pointofblue |
I agree but this has been Cook from practically the off. Most fans seem to like it so... |
He hasn’t left himself with a lot of wiggle room with us lot has he!
But if he signs the caliber of player that rumors s suggest and mounds them into a promotion team I doubt there will be many sceptics on here this time next year! All a bit odd now though and is taking a bit of getting used to. | |
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| Not really.... on 13:33 - May 14 with 2777 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not really.... on 12:27 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
For the majority, its the first one "you need to find a new club because I'm not going to play you" |
Hmmm. I think that’s your interpretation.
I doubt it’s as black and white or definitive as that for the majority. But you may be right. Let’s see. |  |
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| Not really.... on 13:35 - May 14 with 2770 views | clive_baker |
| Not really.... on 13:23 - May 14 by Vic |
He hasn’t left himself with a lot of wiggle room with us lot has he!
But if he signs the caliber of player that rumors s suggest and mounds them into a promotion team I doubt there will be many sceptics on here this time next year! All a bit odd now though and is taking a bit of getting used to. |
There won't be many sceptics, as I don't doubt we'll over invest relative to those around us, he'll sign some players of real quality and it'll propel us to a level we've not witness for a good while. I don't doubt for a second we'll be more competitive next season than we were this, and I don't doubt we'll score more and entertain more in the process. All those things are perfectly achievable, I wouldn't bet against any of that.
I just think there's a) a way of treating people who have been at the club for 17 years, and b) a few players that should be free from the cull IMO, and can contribute to that successful side next season, avoiding this one size fits all approach. B is what he's paid to judge, fair enough, we can all agree or disagree on that. A should be a given IMO, that's what disappoints me. | |
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| Not really.... on 13:41 - May 14 with 2734 views | Beckets |
| Not really.... on 13:35 - May 14 by clive_baker |
There won't be many sceptics, as I don't doubt we'll over invest relative to those around us, he'll sign some players of real quality and it'll propel us to a level we've not witness for a good while. I don't doubt for a second we'll be more competitive next season than we were this, and I don't doubt we'll score more and entertain more in the process. All those things are perfectly achievable, I wouldn't bet against any of that.
I just think there's a) a way of treating people who have been at the club for 17 years, and b) a few players that should be free from the cull IMO, and can contribute to that successful side next season, avoiding this one size fits all approach. B is what he's paid to judge, fair enough, we can all agree or disagree on that. A should be a given IMO, that's what disappoints me. |
Cook certainly seems to be prone to speaking before engaging his brain as far as I can see. Perhaps that’s where Richardson has contributed in the past in getting him to take stock before acting. His appointment as Assistant seems more important as each day passes. |  | | |
| Not really.... on 14:14 - May 14 with 2665 views | Hullblue |
| Not really.... on 13:04 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
I don't sorry |
No worries. He's the only one I really can't understand - if that is the case with him.
Everyone says Downes wants to go, LW hasn't had a very good season and has never had the same pedigree as Downes or Dozzell, and Dobra has looked bright at times but ultimately hasn't scored or assisted many. Very harsh on the latter two but I can just about get my head around it.
Dozzell, on the other hand, has been central to the way we play at such a young age. He's had some stick from some fans but I think that says more about them than it does about him. | |
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| Not really.... on 14:29 - May 14 with 2636 views | franz_tyson |
| Not really.... on 14:14 - May 14 by Hullblue |
No worries. He's the only one I really can't understand - if that is the case with him.
Everyone says Downes wants to go, LW hasn't had a very good season and has never had the same pedigree as Downes or Dozzell, and Dobra has looked bright at times but ultimately hasn't scored or assisted many. Very harsh on the latter two but I can just about get my head around it.
Dozzell, on the other hand, has been central to the way we play at such a young age. He's had some stick from some fans but I think that says more about them than it does about him. |
If Dozzell is central to how we play - maybe that’s the reason. We haven’t played well.
It could simply be that Dozzell isn’t Cook’s type of player. Maybe wants someone more dynamic and physical in that position.
Dozzell can only play with a minder. He’s got to create more to justify his position in the team. If not, he’s a luxury player.
I’d love Dozzell to do well here, but I think he might be better of elsewhere. If he does go.... can you name one game where’s he run the show and changed the course of the game? | | | |
| Not really.... on 14:45 - May 14 with 2602 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Not really.... on 13:14 - May 14 by clive_baker |
Valid points. After the past couple of seasons, you could make a case for just about all of our players leaving I guess. Personally, I think there's a handful that have something to offer. But for me it's as much for me about how things are done. There's a certain standard I would expect and it all just lacks a bit of class IMO. Maybe I'm a bit old school with it, but for someone who has been at the club since they were 7 years old, you would think they might've commanded a bit more respect than a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why. It's not about being sentimental, and admittedly I'm not perfectly neutral in it, but the callousness of it all p1sses me off to be honest. |
Have you got any evidence that it was "a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why"? |  |
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| Not really.... on 14:47 - May 14 with 2593 views | hype313 |
| Not really.... on 14:45 - May 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you got any evidence that it was "a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why"? |
Stuart said on KOA that it wasn't any longer than 30 seconds for each player, including Skuse and Chambo. |  |
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| Not really.... on 14:52 - May 14 with 2575 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Not really.... on 14:47 - May 14 by hype313 |
Stuart said on KOA that it wasn't any longer than 30 seconds for each player, including Skuse and Chambo. |
Fine, and what about the rest? | |
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| Not really.... on 14:53 - May 14 with 2563 views | hype313 |
Eh? I said for each player including Skuse and Chambers | |
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| Yep, trust me Dolly..... on 14:53 - May 14 with 2562 views | Bloots |
| Not really.... on 14:45 - May 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you got any evidence that it was "a 2 minute chat to say 'sorry, I'm bombing you out', with no real context or justification as to why"? |
....don't go down your old route of doubting things.
I can guarantee it's true. |  |
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| Not really.... on 14:59 - May 14 with 2519 views | pointofblue |
| Not really.... on 14:47 - May 14 by hype313 |
Stuart said on KOA that it wasn't any longer than 30 seconds for each player, including Skuse and Chambo. |
Barely any point calling them in was there? Might as well got them together and say “You can all sod off” by the sounds of it. | |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 15:05 - May 14 with 2489 views | nodge_blue |
I wouldn't be surprised if the message is more I only want players here that are totally committed. So if you feel you want to leave then go ahead. |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 15:12 - May 14 with 2465 views | Herbivore |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 15:05 - May 14 by nodge_blue |
I wouldn't be surprised if the message is more I only want players here that are totally committed. So if you feel you want to leave then go ahead. |
A number of people on here who are know to have connections to players at the club have said that's not the case. | |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 15:17 - May 14 with 2457 views | blueboyd |
knowing one of the players who has been told he can go, I can assure you that this saviour Cook lacks class and cannot work with players he did not sign. There were very very few one on one chats and most told in a group they would never play for Ipswich again so get another club, see you later.
In fact pretty much from day one, he was universally disliked which would explain the lack of desire to work hard for him.
We might think get rid of them all, they are usless but it is embarassing that every single player has been told they can leave, every single one of them. | | | |
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