| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:46 - Jul 1 with 1152 views | hype313 |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:45 - Jul 1 by PrideOfTheEast |
You have to question the point of an academy then.
Young players coming through give us an identity - it doesn’t always work but it’s a shame in this case he won’t be given a chance. |
Especially if you're not Cat 1, seems like a waste of time, money, resource and effort. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:46 - Jul 1 with 1147 views | chrismakin |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:08 - Jul 1 by clive_baker |
How does that work? Surely if in the past we've offered more, then by definition the club has deemed it worth offering? |
Because every player has a price
Would you rather spend 200 more on gibbs or 200 more on Crooks fee for example. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:48 - Jul 1 with 1137 views | Vic |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:40 - Jul 1 by itfcjoe |
Or the club are making little effort to keep him whilst others are making a big effort to get him? |
I can only go on what a few of you guys who often know a little more than I do are saying! If it’s right that his agent is demanding a place in the first team squad that’s unacceptable. What we don’t know is if the club just made a point blank refusal or whether they offered a pathway of progress for him. If they didn’t then that is disappointing, especially when it’s almost certain that other clubs will have done so.
Either way it’s disappointing and smacks of an unhelpful agent. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:48 - Jul 1 with 1133 views | Fixed_It |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:45 - Jul 1 by PrideOfTheEast |
You have to question the point of an academy then.
Young players coming through give us an identity - it doesn’t always work but it’s a shame in this case he won’t be given a chance. |
He was given a chance. He turned it down. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:49 - Jul 1 with 1118 views | monty_radio |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:35 - Jul 1 by itfcjoe |
Knight had left before them so can’t rally include him - but would probably say below Dozz and Nydam, similar to Downes and a fair way ahead of El Miz and Dobra
These threads are pretty depressing when you see how people react to situations they know very little about in an industry that sees people handled with utter ruthlessness from before they have even started puberty |
On the other hand, there was an offer there which he chose/was advised not to accept. Some on here may have expressed themselves harshly, but the club decided where the line was, and stayed their side of it. Such large overall resets as we are making mean that individual dilemmas will not be allowed to hang fire indefinitely.
Accepting your judgement of where he currently sits in the emerging talent stakes puts him below the unequivocal talent of Dozz and above El Miz and Dob who still have it all to prove. And though you place him level with where Downes was at that age, the fact that Downes has not pushed on over the last season highlights that it's one more judgement call among many that the club is currently needing to make. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:50 - Jul 1 with 1108 views | Steve_M |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:41 - Jul 1 by SitfcB |
They’ve offered him a deal, what more can they do?
Been here before with the boy that went to Celtic...
And Charlie Brown that went to Chelsea....now at MK Dons. |
If it is as close as Phil seems to think then it is pretty careless.
It's not just about Gibbs though but the current approach seems to be to get rid of just about every player which still doesn't seem entirely wise. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 with 1091 views | clive_baker |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:50 - Jul 1 by Steve_M |
If it is as close as Phil seems to think then it is pretty careless.
It's not just about Gibbs though but the current approach seems to be to get rid of just about every player which still doesn't seem entirely wise. |
There seems to be a very short term lens to what we're doing at the moment, which shouldn't come as a great surprise given the nature of our ownership and the immediacy that they'll need to deliver returns, but does beg the question what it means for the academy and investment into it and its products in the short term. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 with 1097 views | DinDjarin |
I can say hand on heart this is not down to the club or really gibbs. Make of that what you will.
Not claiming def info but not far off.
Shame as he is one of the best talents we have had for a while. |  | | |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 with 1085 views | clive_baker |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:46 - Jul 1 by chrismakin |
Because every player has a price
Would you rather spend 200 more on gibbs or 200 more on Crooks fee for example. |
That's an entirely different point to the one I responded to, but never mind. | |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:56 - Jul 1 with 1059 views | wkj |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 by DinDjarin |
I can say hand on heart this is not down to the club or really gibbs. Make of that what you will.
Not claiming def info but not far off.
Shame as he is one of the best talents we have had for a while. |
I believe Klug said that Gibbs is one of the best he has ever worked with - which makes me worried that the club might have surrendered too soon. I hope we haven't given away what could have been our 'Maddison' and potentially bankrolled a promotion push. |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:59 - Jul 1 with 1038 views | xrayspecs |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:40 - Jul 1 by itfcjoe |
Or the club are making little effort to keep him whilst others are making a big effort to get him? |
We have offered him a contract.
What more should the club do?
Pander to his and his agents additional requests?
Think you are being a bit naive here. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:00 - Jul 1 with 1039 views | jayessess |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 by DinDjarin |
I can say hand on heart this is not down to the club or really gibbs. Make of that what you will.
Not claiming def info but not far off.
Shame as he is one of the best talents we have had for a while. |
My confusion here is why the club's reported as having offered something early in the Year then not come back to it until the last day of his contract. Seems a strange way to go about things? |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:01 - Jul 1 with 1024 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:48 - Jul 1 by Fixed_It |
He was given a chance. He turned it down. |
I get that but he’ll get a contract at a club in a much higher division.
There is no point whatsoever in the academy if we don’t pay a few hundred quid more for the likes of Gibbs. The thing costs millions to run each year. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:02 - Jul 1 with 1017 views | Bluefields |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:04 - Jul 1 by ArnieM |
Just who the bloody hell does he think he is Ffs??? Suggest he needs to EARN the right before he gobs off …..frankly he sounds like yet another Billy big bollox. He can sod off then. |
He is a very dedicated young man actually. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:03 - Jul 1 with 1015 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:00 - Jul 1 by jayessess |
My confusion here is why the club's reported as having offered something early in the Year then not come back to it until the last day of his contract. Seems a strange way to go about things? |
That’s the point isn’t it. We wanted to keep him but not enough. I find it very strange that we let somebody go when the difference would have been peanuts. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:08 - Jul 1 with 968 views | Illinoisblue |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:53 - Jul 1 by clive_baker |
There seems to be a very short term lens to what we're doing at the moment, which shouldn't come as a great surprise given the nature of our ownership and the immediacy that they'll need to deliver returns, but does beg the question what it means for the academy and investment into it and its products in the short term. |
A short term focus is hopefully better than no focus at all. Time will tell… |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:11 - Jul 1 with 942 views | stopmoaning |
Ah well, nevermind.
Don't know if he was actually any good, like most on here, I don't want the youth team all the time, and he barely played for the first team. |  | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:12 - Jul 1 with 941 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:03 - Jul 1 by PrideOfTheEast |
That’s the point isn’t it. We wanted to keep him but not enough. I find it very strange that we let somebody go when the difference would have been peanuts. |
Part of you wonders whether they weren't really that bothered, it was a token offer and they are taking their chances of getting a 'decent' fee at a tribunal. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:12 - Jul 1 with 940 views | Churchman |
It’s annoying, but there it is. Every player has his price. Quite frankly, if he wanted to be here and felt that was best for his career, he’d still be here. He and/or agent, parents whoever clearly think otherwise.
In the real world within reason I always put what I wanted to do before money on the basis that if I was any good, the money would follow.
On a broader perspective I think the owners have to decide whether an Academy is worth investing in. As KD says, we’ve not realised big money for an Academy player in years (Wickham? and the first team hasn’t benefitted much either. As it stands, it serves little purpose.
It needs to be considerably invested in or scrapped in my view. [Post edited 1 Jul 2021 12:13]
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:13 - Jul 1 with 932 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:12 - Jul 1 by tractorboy1978 |
Part of you wonders whether they weren't really that bothered, it was a token offer and they are taking their chances of getting a 'decent' fee at a tribunal. |
Yes. Presumably that’s the case. | | | |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:13 - Jul 1 with 931 views | MrTown |
Nobody wants to see a talented boy leave the club, but isn't the first and won't be the last.
It's hard to make comment really, because nobody knows what he was offered, what the conversations were in terms of demands and expectations between club/player & agent.
What I will say, when Phil says he wanted to stay, I take that with a pinch of salt, because by all accounts they weren't far apart, so if he truly wanted to stay, there was an offer on the table which was far away from his demands apparently, so how keen was he really... |  |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:15 - Jul 1 with 912 views | jayessess |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:12 - Jul 1 by Churchman |
It’s annoying, but there it is. Every player has his price. Quite frankly, if he wanted to be here and felt that was best for his career, he’d still be here. He and/or agent, parents whoever clearly think otherwise.
In the real world within reason I always put what I wanted to do before money on the basis that if I was any good, the money would follow.
On a broader perspective I think the owners have to decide whether an Academy is worth investing in. As KD says, we’ve not realised big money for an Academy player in years (Wickham? and the first team hasn’t benefitted much either. As it stands, it serves little purpose.
It needs to be considerably invested in or scrapped in my view. [Post edited 1 Jul 2021 12:13]
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What are we investing in if not higher wages for prospects that we rate? | |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:22 - Jul 1 with 875 views | N2_Blue |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 11:32 - Jul 1 by Steve_M |
There's a bit of a carelessness about the club at the moment, hopefully largely transitional but, given that players are the largest assets a club has, we are being a bit short-termist. |
??? Not sure what you are getting at here in terms of carelessness, i don't see that at all
If it was money then who knows how far we were apart and we do have to have limits otherwise it can open up all sorts of issues with other squad members.
However if there is any truth in the thing of him wanting to be promised to be in and train with 1st team squad then you cannot blame the club....that kind of demand would be unacceptable and would set a horrible precedent if it was agreed.
So i think we just have to say its a shame but no point giving the club grief. We made an offer.
Lankaster wasn't good enough I'm afraid.
The only decision i could possibly question was Nydam and we have no idea what the injury has done and maybe the club does
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:27 - Jul 1 with 841 views | chrismakin |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:15 - Jul 1 by jayessess |
What are we investing in if not higher wages for prospects that we rate? |
Prospects that maybe are seen as better and more deserving of higher wages.
It's amazing how much a large of amount of supporters are bemoaning every academy player that leaves the club. It's how football is.
On the same morning we learn how badly Evans ownership continued to ruin the club financially... we now see people moaning we arent spending 'just a few hundred more' on a specific player when there many very similar to Gibbs coming through.
He had an offer. A good offer. His agent turned it down.
We and Gibbs move on. | |
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| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:31 - Jul 1 with 807 views | Churchman |
| Gibbs gone - sad to hear on 12:15 - Jul 1 by jayessess |
What are we investing in if not higher wages for prospects that we rate? |
At what point does higher wages = being held to ransom and destabilising your whole player wage structure for what is essentially a prospect?
We just don’t know what the reasoning is behind him going. The only thing I can conclude is that had he wanted to stay, he would have done. | | | |
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