| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? 13:35 - Oct 25 with 12269 views | MaySixth |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:38 - Oct 25 with 1182 views | ronnyd |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:24 - Oct 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Question for those who would only wear a mask if it was made mandatory instead of advisory.
If the Government, in a moment of madness, decided that speed limits in built up areas would no longer be mandatory but simply advisory would you drive as fast as you like, or would you do the sensible thing and comply with the advisory? |
As usual on here the arguments get dafter and dafter. What the hell has speeding got to do with covid? |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:40 - Oct 25 with 1175 views | StokieBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:45 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Stokie is a good and long standing poster. His absence is always a loss to the board.
I don't disagree with Stokie on the effectiveness of mask wearing. Where I do disagree is how they aren't much of an inconvenience. I loathe face masks. They are an obstacle to normal social interaction. BlueLagos made a very good post about this in the summer and he put a list of everyday interaction that he missed, when somebody posted that the restrictions weren't really affecting people's lives. I wish I could find it.
But masks help control infections and as much as I hate to wear them I'm prepared to do so for as long as necessary.
Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid.
Oh and did I say that I absolutely fookin hate wearing face masks? |
So whilst I understand you don't like masks I think there is a bigger debate to be had here around what should be "normal".
"Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid."
Yes, we managed without them before covid but covid has shown us that perhaps that was entirely the wrong thing to do. Flu deaths are far lower than covid of course but last year they were far lower than most other years and in the US they were down to unheard of levels. A major reason for this is because flu is less contagious (has a far lower R) than covid and thus wearing masks does a lot to cut out the spread of flu.
People say we live with flu but the real question should be:
Do we have to live with flu?
If wearing masks over the winter months in certain situations like trains, supermarkets and other crowded places means thousands of people don't die of flu then that is surely more important than whether you feel comfortable for a few minutes wearing a mask? Of course people will still die of flu but if less people die it's surely a good thing.
What we should be doing now is actually assessing whether the "normal" was ever right and whether we should be returned to exactly how things were.
Unfortunately, you're essentially saying that comfort is more important than stopping some people from contracting the flu. I know that's an uncomfortable thing to read but that's what it boils down to and that is why I am for mask wearing every winter in some places.
The Asian countries have no problem doing this for the benefit of there societies, we should probably reflect on why we have such a problem doing it.
Perhaps it's not worth it and people are happy with the level of flu deaths. Perhaps mask wearing won't be as effective as hoped against the flu longer term anyway. Either way I think it's a debate which should be had even if it challenges some people.
In the end you'll not have to worry though, if this country is barely willing to wear masks for something like covid, it's never going to wear them for something like flu.
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:41 - Oct 25 with 1168 views | StokieBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:28 - Oct 25 by braveblue |
If true that is disgraceful. |
Assuming this is happening then it's certainly horrible for those who can't visit but it's obviously being done for a reason so can you explain why is it disgraceful?
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:42 - Oct 25 with 1165 views | yesjohn99 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:38 - Oct 25 by ronnyd |
As usual on here the arguments get dafter and dafter. What the hell has speeding got to do with covid? |
Yeah but what about……………. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:47 - Oct 25 with 1145 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:38 - Oct 25 by ronnyd |
As usual on here the arguments get dafter and dafter. What the hell has speeding got to do with covid? |
Speeding kills people too, more speeding kills more people.... |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:49 - Oct 25 with 1136 views | chrismakin |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:21 - Oct 25 by StokieBlue |
I was aware of your posts in my absence and a number of posters weren't particularly impressed with your covid whatabouterry and constant attempts to muddy-the-waters with technical sounding posts that don't actually have the evidence you're claiming. Given that, I'll take your request for me to take a break as a compliment.
Let's have a look at this one.
"And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do."
I dispute this is the case. Please link to your numerous studies showing that mask wearing doesn't work. I'll link to a few studies (there are many more) showing they do work and I am sure you'll be able to do the same. If not then I'll kindly ask you stop making assertions about covid that aren't true.
Study - https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symp
Article on the study - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/masks-were-working-all-along/6
Study - https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
Conclusion with regards to non-medical masks (as per your assertion later on):
"The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1"
I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
This isn't evidence, this is an assumed correlation that requires targeted studies for the exact scenarios in question before we can draw any conclusions. There are a large number of variables which could affect a change in numbers which have nothing to do with masks: weather, social mixing rules, what venues are open, public behaviour, the fact masks were being introduced because cases are on the rise. Your simple causation-correlation conclusion is flawed.
"It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?"
Even cloth masks have been shown to reduce transmission (see study above), a better mask than that is obviously a better benefit but your argument is an example of the Nirvana fallacy in that we should do nothing because what we do won't be perfect. If they are even 10% effective (although in reality it would be much better than that) then your argument is already wrong. Any reduction in transmission is a good outcome.
"There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit."
This is an appeal to authority fallacy. Just because someone is in a position of power or supposed knowledge it doesn't mean they are making informed or even correct decisions. It's totally irrelevant if a politician is removing their masks and hugging, look at the idiotic Tory benches in the commons. Totally agree they should set a better example but in reality people need to be responsible for their own actions and this looks like a petty way to try and excuse those actions.
So overall, I wouldn't say you've done much to counter the viewpoint that people should be wearing masks, especially where it's mandated to do so.
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What's all this got to do about football on a football page?
Surely the answer to the OP is "hopefully not, but no one knows what could happen"
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:50 - Oct 25 with 1132 views | StokieBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:49 - Oct 25 by chrismakin |
What's all this got to do about football on a football page?
Surely the answer to the OP is "hopefully not, but no one knows what could happen"
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It's a reply to a post someone made.
I know it's got some long words in it but perhaps you'd be better off reading it and perhaps learning something. I could even record it so you can listen to it if you like.
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:51 - Oct 25 with 1128 views | bluelagos |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:49 - Oct 25 by chrismakin |
What's all this got to do about football on a football page?
Surely the answer to the OP is "hopefully not, but no one knows what could happen"
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You expect replies to this thread to be limited because it was labelled a football thread? |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:51 - Oct 25 with 1122 views | chrismakin |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:51 - Oct 25 by bluelagos |
You expect replies to this thread to be limited because it was labelled a football thread? |
Well yes isn't that the point of football or general pages? | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:52 - Oct 25 with 1120 views | chrismakin |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:50 - Oct 25 by StokieBlue |
It's a reply to a post someone made.
I know it's got some long words in it but perhaps you'd be better off reading it and perhaps learning something. I could even record it so you can listen to it if you like.
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Go for it. Can you pop it under general though where it belongs. Ta. | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:56 - Oct 25 with 1102 views | bluelagos |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:51 - Oct 25 by chrismakin |
Well yes isn't that the point of football or general pages? |
Not everything is black or white. It is possible that a topic, like whether football will be impacted by Corona, covers both areas. That you dont like non footie threads doesnt change that. | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 22:02 - Oct 25 with 1077 views | chrismakin |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:56 - Oct 25 by bluelagos |
Not everything is black or white. It is possible that a topic, like whether football will be impacted by Corona, covers both areas. That you dont like non footie threads doesnt change that. |
Well it's 3 pages of some poor poster having to defend himself for following government guidance. Not really football related at all.
Do I wear masks. Yes. Always. Do I hate others not. Yes. Are they wrong.. no - otherwise it would still be legal requirement. | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 22:06 - Oct 25 with 1066 views | yesjohn99 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:49 - Oct 25 by chrismakin |
What's all this got to do about football on a football page?
Surely the answer to the OP is "hopefully not, but no one knows what could happen"
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Face masks at football surprisingly involves Football! | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 22:11 - Oct 25 with 1044 views | chrismakin |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 22:06 - Oct 25 by yesjohn99 |
Face masks at football surprisingly involves Football! |
Ah OK. Must have missed the facemasks at football due to the 3 pages of speeding comparisons, selfishness of following government guidelines etc | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 23:18 - Oct 25 with 979 views | N2_Blue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:10 - Oct 25 by homer_123 |
Just a small observation. To those of us that have never worn a mark - yes, initially, it's not nice, it's not pleasant and a bit of a pain.
However, within a very short space of time, you get used to them.
The main observation is that if we wore them from a young age, we wouldn't think twice, it would be the norm and no issue whatsoever just as it is in other countries.
Show me 'anyone' that 'likes' wearing a mask!? However, it's not like it is taking away a personal freedom.
Actually, quite frankly, walking around any decent sized city - wearing said mask will mean when blowing my nose at the end of the day, it's not black sh*t coming out - that in itself is a blessing!
It's a behavioural change with masks - but it really isn't a big one. |
I can't really agree with that.
Wearing a mask is fine and it is what it is but it's quite a major behavioral change. To see it's not a big one i think is not accurate
Not seeing half of someone's face is a huge thing when it comes to social interaction before you even come to comfort levels.
I've worn a mask probably at least almost every other day since the pandemic started and i'm most definitely not used to it. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 23:34 - Oct 25 with 968 views | BlueBadger |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:28 - Oct 25 by braveblue |
If true that is disgraceful. |
Yeah, imagine looking to reduce vectors of infection to highly vulnerable people. Bastards. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 06:54 - Oct 26 with 860 views | homer_123 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 23:18 - Oct 25 by N2_Blue |
I can't really agree with that.
Wearing a mask is fine and it is what it is but it's quite a major behavioral change. To see it's not a big one i think is not accurate
Not seeing half of someone's face is a huge thing when it comes to social interaction before you even come to comfort levels.
I've worn a mask probably at least almost every other day since the pandemic started and i'm most definitely not used to it. |
I understand some people don't like it and maybe some might never get used to it.
It is interesting that large parts of the world don't seem to have an issue with it, actually, it's not even something that is debated.
Just a thought...seatbelts. Many, many, many people thought them to be an inconvenience (some still do) but I think the majority can see the benefit and the absolute vast majority now wear them and don't even question it.
Plenty of debate to be had about how much a difference a mask makes, for sure. But it's not just Covid and the Flu. As I posted - I can actually 'see and feel' the difference after a spending a day in our lovely green, emission free capital.....without a mask, my nose is black...with....it's clear. I don't need to be a doctor to understand that it cannot be a bad thing for me, for less of that sh*t to get into my lungs.
Maybe you are right, that it's a bigger behavioural change that I stated but one worth considering, surely? |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 08:26 - Oct 26 with 797 views | Herbivore |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 15:43 - Oct 25 by gtsb1966 |
I'll do whatever the scientists and powers that be say I need to do. This virus is here to stay so on that basis you are advocating wearing masks forever. We simply can't go on like that and millions of people obviously feel the same. Should we wear masks every winter to stop flu spreading because that is a killer virus too which never goes away. I can obviously see exactly where you are coming from but because covid is here to stay we are starting to realise that we have to treat it like flu and live with it . |
Or die with it if you're old or vulnerable, but I guess that's okay so long as you don't have to experience what is a very minor inconvenience. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:06 - Oct 26 with 751 views | gtsb1966 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 08:26 - Oct 26 by Herbivore |
Or die with it if you're old or vulnerable, but I guess that's okay so long as you don't have to experience what is a very minor inconvenience. |
Didn't you post yesterday, or was it Sunday, that you don't have any interest in what I say  |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:26 - Oct 26 with 729 views | itfcjoe |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 15:38 - Oct 25 by Ely_Blue |
Personally I think regardless of vaccination status there should be a requirement for a negative LFT to gain entry to PR for everyone, it’s 15 minutes out of peoples day and it’s no hardship to take a test these days, unless of course you think you’re infected |
I've had cases in my family and have now got into the habit of just taking one most days, certainly if I'm going anywhere where I can pass it on, and will continue to do so going forwards |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:37 - Oct 26 with 706 views | DavoIPB |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 13:55 - Oct 25 by BlueBadger |
We're currently on over a ward's worth of positive inpatients, plus a few ITU right now.
It was 2 five bed bays a few weeks ago. |
A wards worth is about 30 patients so no where near last years numbers when one weekend it ran into the hundreds. Plus if only a few on ITU that means it's still nothing compared to last year. Still nothing compared to flu in 2015 either when the respiratory wards were full and lots of people on other wards.
Not to diminish the dangers of covid and people should still take all the precautions (i.e. at football where everyone was asked to where masks when in crowded places and in the toilets and no-one did.
However It would have to get a lot worse before there is any change in the rules. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:42 - Oct 26 with 701 views | ElderGrizzly |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:37 - Oct 26 by DavoIPB |
A wards worth is about 30 patients so no where near last years numbers when one weekend it ran into the hundreds. Plus if only a few on ITU that means it's still nothing compared to last year. Still nothing compared to flu in 2015 either when the respiratory wards were full and lots of people on other wards.
Not to diminish the dangers of covid and people should still take all the precautions (i.e. at football where everyone was asked to where masks when in crowded places and in the toilets and no-one did.
However It would have to get a lot worse before there is any change in the rules. |
BlueBadger is literally on the front line. If he says it is bad, I think i'll go with his view.
Plus it's not a competition to beat last year or get anywhere near it. If we do, the NHS won't deal with anything but Covid and we are back to cancelling treatment again on a large scale.
There is an expectation that 'Plan B could come in after COP26. They've already written to council leaders to check readiness and also Central Government departments are being advised that WFH is likely again from mid-November. |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:44 - Oct 26 with 694 views | Mullet |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:37 - Oct 26 by DavoIPB |
A wards worth is about 30 patients so no where near last years numbers when one weekend it ran into the hundreds. Plus if only a few on ITU that means it's still nothing compared to last year. Still nothing compared to flu in 2015 either when the respiratory wards were full and lots of people on other wards.
Not to diminish the dangers of covid and people should still take all the precautions (i.e. at football where everyone was asked to where masks when in crowded places and in the toilets and no-one did.
However It would have to get a lot worse before there is any change in the rules. |
Your last line is also more down to politics isn’t it? Let the bodies pile high and give “us” wage growth before all else is the barometer for Johnson and his psychopaths. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:46 - Oct 26 with 684 views | DavoIPB |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:17 - Oct 25 by gtsb1966 |
In your opinion. I'll abide by the rules and when/if they change I'll change with them. I'm double vaccinated and will have the booster. I would hazard a guess that there are more people now with this outlook than are wearing masks. If not it's pretty close. By your own words that means millions of people in this country are selfish which is just ridiculous. It means that millions of people have been vaccinated, are abiding by the current rules and are just getting on with life. I know you don't agree so here endeth my thoughts on the subject otherwise we'll just go round in circles. |
Have to agree with other posters. There are millions of selfish people. Look at all of the parties police had to break up during lockdown. there were clear announcements on saturday to wear masks in the concourses and only a couple of people were listening. Just because you are double jabbed makes no difference to your ability to spread the virus. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 09:50 - Oct 26 with 668 views | Ely_Blue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:20 - Oct 25 by southnorfolkblue |
They do check the COVID passports. I have been checked at every game that I have attended. There is zero enforcement of mask wearing though |
This^^
The only game they never checked my covid pass and ID was the first game |  |
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