| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? 13:35 - Oct 25 with 12436 views | MaySixth |
This side of Xmas? |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:55 - Oct 25 with 2054 views | Pinewoodblue |
I am aware of individuals that have been banned from the more popular social media because of their outspoken views on mask wearing. Even someone who persistently stated he would only wear a mask if he was forced to.
They are nothing special, unless being a special kind of idiot counts. Perhaps we should discourage our own special kind of idiots from posting. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:59 - Oct 25 with 2003 views | J2BLUE |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:33 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
They have dropped considerably for the past two days running. Although this could be due to the schools being off.
That said, Sunday for Sunday was down and there is no school testing obviously on a Saturday, which is when Sunday tests would have been done. |
I hope so. How nice it would be to have normal life return. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 with 1954 views | Lightworker |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:38 - Oct 25 by StokieBlue |
I notice you've not said whether you wear a mask at PR on the concourses even though you claim to follow the rules. Any reason you've avoided the question?
It's not an opinion, masks are proven to work for covid and definitely work for flu. I thought in your first post you said you'd follow the scientists?
Nope, I do think millions of people in this country are selfish and self-entitled and unfortunately you're drifting into that category.
How does wearing a mask in some situations stop you getting on with life? If just utter rubbish I'm afraid. Give me a concrete example of where wearing a mask in a certain situation stops your life. Just one. I guarantee you can't.
Cr*p like this was one of the reasons I took a break from the forums.
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Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:18 - Oct 25 with 1925 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
"when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?"
That's not the fault of the masks themselves though.... |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:18 - Oct 25 with 1926 views | GlasgowBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:59 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
I hope so. How nice it would be to have normal life return. |
The last time we had cases in these numbers was back in July and they fell quite sharply. Of course that was in the summer and I really wouldn't expect the same to happen this time of the year. But hopefully we can take some positives from the current trend.
edit. Monday's figures just out. 12,000 less infections than last Monday. [Post edited 25 Oct 2021 17:45]
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:20 - Oct 25 with 1919 views | Mullet |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
Why did they become so widely used from Spanish flu to SARS if there’s no observable benefits? It’s not a coincidence that since mask wearing stopped in schools cases have gone up again is it? |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:21 - Oct 25 with 1918 views | positivity |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
that's nonsense, every study i've seen has shown that masks help stop the spread.
obviously the quality of the mask will make a difference, but even the most basic mask helps.
don't follow political leaders, follow the science. it's unbiased, and not prone to changing with popular opinion |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:23 - Oct 25 with 1917 views | bluelagos |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
Is perfectly reasonable to question just how effective masks are. But to state "They don't work" when it is self evident that any barrier to our breath going in/out will reduce the amount of aerosols going in/out of our mouths is pretty silly tbh. They may be limited in their effectiveness, but they will still reduce transmission.
To answer your question about graphs, well clearly in a case where cases are rising, not having masks would have meant cases would have grown even faster. No one is suggesting masks are the answer to everything, they are not. But they do help prevent the spread. How much is debatable (I don't know) but they do help. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:26 - Oct 25 with 1912 views | textbackup |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:40 - Oct 25 by StokieBlue |
I hope you don't think that's something to be proud of though?
I honestly don't see why is such a big deal but mask wearing is incredibly divisive.
SB [Post edited 25 Oct 2021 16:57]
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what would i think i should be proud of?
i was giving you advise because of what you'd see.
edit - see your reply above, mix up of posters [Post edited 25 Oct 2021 17:27]
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:31 - Oct 25 with 1888 views | Mookamoo |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
"there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do"
I've certainly seen some intersting articles comparing efficacy of mask types, but this is a quite staggering position. |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:39 - Oct 25 with 1866 views | Horseboy |
Masks masks masks masks masks masks, social distancing is where it's all at. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:45 - Oct 25 with 1860 views | GlasgowBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
Stokie is a good and long standing poster. His absence is always a loss to the board.
I don't disagree with Stokie on the effectiveness of mask wearing. Where I do disagree is how they aren't much of an inconvenience. I loathe face masks. They are an obstacle to normal social interaction. BlueLagos made a very good post about this in the summer and he put a list of everyday interaction that he missed, when somebody posted that the restrictions weren't really affecting people's lives. I wish I could find it.
But masks help control infections and as much as I hate to wear them I'm prepared to do so for as long as necessary.
Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid.
Oh and did I say that I absolutely fookin hate wearing face masks? | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:49 - Oct 25 with 1848 views | bluelagos |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:45 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Stokie is a good and long standing poster. His absence is always a loss to the board.
I don't disagree with Stokie on the effectiveness of mask wearing. Where I do disagree is how they aren't much of an inconvenience. I loathe face masks. They are an obstacle to normal social interaction. BlueLagos made a very good post about this in the summer and he put a list of everyday interaction that he missed, when somebody posted that the restrictions weren't really affecting people's lives. I wish I could find it.
But masks help control infections and as much as I hate to wear them I'm prepared to do so for as long as necessary.
Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid.
Oh and did I say that I absolutely fookin hate wearing face masks? |
Cheers for the complement.
I did also say in that post (I think) that I still supported wearing one per the rules at the time (As a necessary evil if you like) and still do, much as I dislike them. | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 18:15 - Oct 25 with 1808 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:45 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Stokie is a good and long standing poster. His absence is always a loss to the board.
I don't disagree with Stokie on the effectiveness of mask wearing. Where I do disagree is how they aren't much of an inconvenience. I loathe face masks. They are an obstacle to normal social interaction. BlueLagos made a very good post about this in the summer and he put a list of everyday interaction that he missed, when somebody posted that the restrictions weren't really affecting people's lives. I wish I could find it.
But masks help control infections and as much as I hate to wear them I'm prepared to do so for as long as necessary.
Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid.
Oh and did I say that I absolutely fookin hate wearing face masks? |
"We managed without them before covid. "
<Glib Comparison>Depends on whether 25k people dying of flu each year in the UK compared with about 3k in Japan (where mask wearing is much more common) can be construed as "managing"</Glib Comparison>
What people forget very often is that there is a price to be paid for the high levels of personal liberty that we have in the UK........ | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 19:26 - Oct 25 with 1745 views | ElderGrizzly |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:33 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
They have dropped considerably for the past two days running. Although this could be due to the schools being off.
That said, Sunday for Sunday was down and there is no school testing obviously on a Saturday, which is when Sunday tests would have been done. |
And Wales is missing from the weekend numbers they said today |  | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 19:32 - Oct 25 with 1730 views | ElderGrizzly |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 16:59 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
I hope so. How nice it would be to have normal life return. |
We all hope the cases drop quickly.
Some schools were on half-term last week and we didn't really see a drop. Most are this week though, which should see a drop this week and next as it takes 3 or more days for symptoms to emerge.
The anti-vaxxers are already setting up this week as some kind of special week, but won't recognise that half-term would be the reason for a drop.
Hospitalisations were up 1,100 today compared to last Monday so that is the less positive side of the trend. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 19:43 - Oct 25 with 1707 views | ghostofescobar |
Aren’t the doors closed for every home game? Think they open them 20 mins before the end. Perhaps we should say “when will games be behind non rotating turnstiles again” |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:10 - Oct 25 with 1689 views | homer_123 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:45 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Stokie is a good and long standing poster. His absence is always a loss to the board.
I don't disagree with Stokie on the effectiveness of mask wearing. Where I do disagree is how they aren't much of an inconvenience. I loathe face masks. They are an obstacle to normal social interaction. BlueLagos made a very good post about this in the summer and he put a list of everyday interaction that he missed, when somebody posted that the restrictions weren't really affecting people's lives. I wish I could find it.
But masks help control infections and as much as I hate to wear them I'm prepared to do so for as long as necessary.
Again, where I disagree with Stokie (and Homer) is that even when the pandemic is over they should be used in the winter to keep flu infections down. We managed without them before covid.
Oh and did I say that I absolutely fookin hate wearing face masks? |
Just a small observation. To those of us that have never worn a mark - yes, initially, it's not nice, it's not pleasant and a bit of a pain.
However, within a very short space of time, you get used to them.
The main observation is that if we wore them from a young age, we wouldn't think twice, it would be the norm and no issue whatsoever just as it is in other countries.
Show me 'anyone' that 'likes' wearing a mask!? However, it's not like it is taking away a personal freedom.
Actually, quite frankly, walking around any decent sized city - wearing said mask will mean when blowing my nose at the end of the day, it's not black sh*t coming out - that in itself is a blessing!
It's a behavioural change with masks - but it really isn't a big one. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:20 - Oct 25 with 1657 views | southnorfolkblue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 15:09 - Oct 25 by StokieBlue |
Will they actually check the vaccine passports and will people actually wear masks in the mandatory locations?
The answer to both things is likely to be no I would wager.
We have clear evidence that virtual all fans on the concourse are completely ignore the mandatory mask rule and nobody seems to care.
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They do check the COVID passports. I have been checked at every game that I have attended. There is zero enforcement of mask wearing though | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:21 - Oct 25 with 1651 views | hype313 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 13:36 - Oct 25 by ElderGrizzly |
No, they'll go vaccine passport route first. Which is effectively what we are doing anyway. |
Although I've noticed recently that when you get your phone out to load NHS app and it takes a while they just say "just go on through"
Won't be long before people who haven't been vaccinated cotton on and just download the app and complain of lack of 4G. |  |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:24 - Oct 25 with 1645 views | Pinewoodblue |
Question for those who would only wear a mask if it was made mandatory instead of advisory.
If the Government, in a moment of madness, decided that speed limits in built up areas would no longer be mandatory but simply advisory would you drive as fast as you like, or would you do the sensible thing and comply with the advisory? | |
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:58 - Oct 25 with 1597 views | Mookamoo |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:24 - Oct 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Question for those who would only wear a mask if it was made mandatory instead of advisory.
If the Government, in a moment of madness, decided that speed limits in built up areas would no longer be mandatory but simply advisory would you drive as fast as you like, or would you do the sensible thing and comply with the advisory? |
Freedom loving car owners should have every right to drive quickly. It's up to the elderly and vulnerable to stay out of the way. If a certain percentage of them get squished, I'm sure it will be within the acceptable numbers laid out by the junior tory minister currently in charge of the 'how many is acceptable' spreadsheet. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:21 - Oct 25 with 1562 views | StokieBlue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 17:12 - Oct 25 by Lightworker |
Maybe you should take another break as you appear to be continually stomping around the forum telling everybody what they should and shouldn't do.
And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do. I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?
There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit. |
I was aware of your posts in my absence and a number of posters weren't particularly impressed with your covid whatabouterry and constant attempts to muddy-the-waters with technical sounding posts that don't actually have the evidence you're claiming. Given that, I'll take your request for me to take a break as a compliment.
Let's have a look at this one.
"And with regards to your claim regarding masks being proven to work, you talk in such absolute terms when there is in fact as much evidence that they don't work as there is that they do."
I dispute this is the case. Please link to your numerous studies showing that mask wearing doesn't work. I'll link to a few studies (there are many more) showing they do work and I am sure you'll be able to do the same. If not then I'll kindly ask you stop making assertions about covid that aren't true.
Study - https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symp
Article on the study - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/masks-were-working-all-along/6
Study - https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
Conclusion with regards to non-medical masks (as per your assertion later on):
"The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of nonmedical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures, could successfully reduce Re to below 1"
I have seen numerous graphs showing the introduction of mask mandates in various countries / locations followed by cases significantly rising, what is happening there?
This isn't evidence, this is an assumed correlation that requires targeted studies for the exact scenarios in question before we can draw any conclusions. There are a large number of variables which could affect a change in numbers which have nothing to do with masks: weather, social mixing rules, what venues are open, public behaviour, the fact masks were being introduced because cases are on the rise. Your simple causation-correlation conclusion is flawed.
"It is far too simplistic to say that 'they work' and that's the end of it. If everybody on a tube was wearing a medical grade N95 mask, I suspect there would be a degree of effectiveness but when we are talking about thousands of people wearing basic cloth masks in the concourse of a football stadium, half probably not wearing them correctly, the other half removing them to eat and drink, how effective are they really going to be?"
Even cloth masks have been shown to reduce transmission (see study above), a better mask than that is obviously a better benefit but your argument is an example of the Nirvana fallacy in that we should do nothing because what we do won't be perfect. If they are even 10% effective (although in reality it would be much better than that) then your argument is already wrong. Any reduction in transmission is a good outcome.
"There are numerous pictures of politicians and world leaders wearing masks in front of the camera and then removing them and hugging etc. the minute they think the filming has stopped. They don't seem to be too concerned about the risk of not wearing one, so its no surprise when the public eventually follow suit."
This is an appeal to authority fallacy. Just because someone is in a position of power or supposed knowledge it doesn't mean they are making informed or even correct decisions. It's totally irrelevant if a politician is removing their masks and hugging, look at the idiotic Tory benches in the commons. Totally agree they should set a better example but in reality people need to be responsible for their own actions and this looks like a petty way to try and excuse those actions.
So overall, I wouldn't say you've done much to counter the viewpoint that people should be wearing masks, especially where it's mandated to do so.
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| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:28 - Oct 25 with 1542 views | braveblue |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 15:10 - Oct 25 by gtsb1966 |
I've just read that West Suffolk Hospital have suspended visiting because of the rise in covid cases. |
If true that is disgraceful. | | | |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 21:34 - Oct 25 with 1530 views | yesjohn99 |
| When will games at Portman Road go behind closed door again? on 20:24 - Oct 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Question for those who would only wear a mask if it was made mandatory instead of advisory.
If the Government, in a moment of madness, decided that speed limits in built up areas would no longer be mandatory but simply advisory would you drive as fast as you like, or would you do the sensible thing and comply with the advisory? |
Do you wear a mask at all times then? Such as at your seat at Portman Road? | | | |
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