| Brandon Williams (again) 15:07 - Jun 10 with 15118 views | BlueNomad |
Thinking how, in many ways, he would be a good signing; PL experience, no transfer fee and can play left and right back. If successful he would fit the player-trading model. BUT with a court date set for early next year would he be worth the risk? |  | | |  |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 19:57 - Jun 10 with 4550 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 17:20 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Because if it's determined that he's remorseful, wants to knuckle down and get his career back on track, and if you believe in giving people a second chance, he'd be a low-risk bargain (with 'behave yourself' clauses written in).
He's not in a position to charge big wages now, so the only real risk I can see is in taking up a squad place. The potential upside is huge. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 17:22]
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This is a fellow who recently didn't bother turning up to his hearing and has 30 points on his licence. Not the actions of someone with remorse, and would clearly be at least a third rather than second chance! [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 19:59]
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 07:14 - Jun 14 with 4316 views | quad |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 19:47 - Jun 10 by farkenhell |
With the sort of money that your average premier league footballer earns, I'm sure he'd be able to afford the odd taxi or two, if not his own personal chauffeur! |
He's accused of driving without car insurance. You would think that with the sort of money he would have been earning at Man Utd he would be able to afford that too.
I can't see any reason why he would have been accused of that if it was not true. I suppose it's possible but seems very unlikely.
It's a no from me. I don't know his character at all, so might be completely wrong, but on face value it would seem that he is a bit of a sandwich short of a picnic. | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 07:50 - Jun 14 with 4236 views | Churchman |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 15:10 - Jun 10 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The risk is behavioural and not financial.
Only KM can decide. None of us know his state of mind and attitude / ability to reform. |
Agree with this.
Looking at this from a general perspective, the club has operated a policy of right characters as well as ability for the past three years. It’s served us well.
I’d hate to deviate from that, however cheaply an otherwise talented player can be acquired. Harsh though this sounds, in my view people in essence rarely change/reform.
If I was forced to say yes or no based on what we saw happen last season, it’s a no from me. |  | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:15 - Jun 14 with 4205 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 07:14 - Jun 14 by quad |
He's accused of driving without car insurance. You would think that with the sort of money he would have been earning at Man Utd he would be able to afford that too.
I can't see any reason why he would have been accused of that if it was not true. I suppose it's possible but seems very unlikely.
It's a no from me. I don't know his character at all, so might be completely wrong, but on face value it would seem that he is a bit of a sandwich short of a picnic. |
Why does anyone drive without insurance? Unless they're a career criminal or an illegal immigrant I'd say the most likely reason is simply an oversight. And therefore forgivable, surely? |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:17 - Jun 14 with 4185 views | chicoazul |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 17:27 - Jun 10 by textbackup |
And when he’s found in his car in a lay-by with a balloon hanging out of his arse we can all laugh at those that constantly pushed for this signing |
Wait is that where they put them now |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:18 - Jun 14 with 4186 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 07:50 - Jun 14 by Churchman |
Agree with this.
Looking at this from a general perspective, the club has operated a policy of right characters as well as ability for the past three years. It’s served us well.
I’d hate to deviate from that, however cheaply an otherwise talented player can be acquired. Harsh though this sounds, in my view people in essence rarely change/reform.
If I was forced to say yes or no based on what we saw happen last season, it’s a no from me. |
"in my view people rarely change/reform"
Blimey. Even young people? You can't really believe that's true? I'd imagine most of us posting on here have changed a fair bit from when we were 23. | |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:33 - Jun 14 with 4167 views | BondiBlue |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:18 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"in my view people rarely change/reform"
Blimey. Even young people? You can't really believe that's true? I'd imagine most of us posting on here have changed a fair bit from when we were 23. |
Surely the point with williams is that his (alleged) issues with addiction reduce his ability to reform somewhat. Even if he really wants to. | |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:37 - Jun 14 with 4155 views | Herbivore |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:15 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why does anyone drive without insurance? Unless they're a career criminal or an illegal immigrant I'd say the most likely reason is simply an oversight. And therefore forgivable, surely? |
With the points he's got on his licence, he might not have been able to get insurance. |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:41 - Jun 14 with 4140 views | Herbivore |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 19:42 - Jun 10 by Dubtractor |
I would be staggered if we sign him. Absolutely flabbergasted.
So much effort has gone into getting a squad full of absolutely amazing characters, as referenced by the comments from a few outgoing players, and Williams just doesn't fit that template at all.
He may learn from all that's gone on, may be a reformed character, but I simply don't see McKenna or Ashton wanting to take the same risk (that didn't work first time with him) a second time. |
This is where I'm at. I think people saying he'll be better off away from Manchester is all well and good but he was away from Manchester last season with us and it still went tits up. We tested that theory last summer and it didn't go well for all parties in the end, I doubt we'll want to test the same theory again with even more baggage added and more evidence now that it is more likely than not to fail. He's a good player and I really hope he does sort himself out and have a good career, you could see he was well though of here so for all his issues he's not a complete wrong un. But as a signing for us going into our first season in the Prem in nearly a quarter of a century, it feels too much of a gamble. | |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:52 - Jun 14 with 4106 views | quad |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:15 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why does anyone drive without insurance? Unless they're a career criminal or an illegal immigrant I'd say the most likely reason is simply an oversight. And therefore forgivable, surely? |
That's a very good point.
Hopefully that was the case, and yes it would be forgivable.
If he's done it intentionally then he's a massive tw*t, as it would have amounted to pennies for him (in relative terms to what he would have been earning). | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:52 - Jun 14 with 4105 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:15 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why does anyone drive without insurance? Unless they're a career criminal or an illegal immigrant I'd say the most likely reason is simply an oversight. And therefore forgivable, surely? |
I’m sure that’s true of some people, but I would think most either can’t get any but choose to drive anyway, or simply don’t want to pay it and think they’ll above the law so carry on without it. Not to say there aren’t likely genuine cases, but I would guess they’re in the minority.
Either way Williams clearly isn’t coming back here. I hope he puts all this behind him and gets back to playing football next season though, I can see him having a decent career at championship level if he gets his head down and away from the negative influences. |  | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:54 - Jun 14 with 4095 views | Churchman |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:18 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"in my view people rarely change/reform"
Blimey. Even young people? You can't really believe that's true? I'd imagine most of us posting on here have changed a fair bit from when we were 23. |
I understand what you are saying, Flash, and in certain ways I behave differently (thank goodness) now I’m older, but in essence, I’m still the same person with that way too thick catalogue of weaknesses. I just manage them a little better - mostly.
I was doing a couple of golf days last week and went round with one particular guy who I’d played with before. He’s in his mid/late 50s and can see exactly the type of person he was as a child in certain ways. Wilful, forceful and by nature a bully. I’m painting a harsh picture here, but that is how he struck me.
If I look at my two chums I’ve known longest, one since 11, yes they’ve changed over the years, but their important characteristics, who they are, they are the same.
If for example somebody has a liking for beating women or say an addictive personality (I’m not mixing the two!), they may manage those behaviours better in later years, but the inclination will always be there.
This is just my view - probably why I could never have earned a living as a psychologist! | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:02 - Jun 14 with 4075 views | Zx1988 |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:15 - Jun 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why does anyone drive without insurance? Unless they're a career criminal or an illegal immigrant I'd say the most likely reason is simply an oversight. And therefore forgivable, surely? |
I wonder if it's one of those circumstance-based things, whereby whatever offence BW had committed also served to invalidate his insurance, which led to the police charging him for that as well?
I think you often see it when the police are doing one of their frequent campaigns - action A resulting in the insurance being invalidated, so the offender being charged on both counts. | |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:07 - Jun 14 with 4058 views | N2_Blue |
I think people need to understand the guy needs help which I am sure he is he is getting. He alledgely has an addiction and for that he heeds help. These things take time and i imagine professional football and the required performance needed is not something that can be maintained whilst getting treatment and overcoming personal problems.
Unfortunately I very much doubt Brandon will be playing professional football anywhere next season.
Clearly a very talented lad and still young so one hopes he can get himself sorted and resume his career at the appropriate point. |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:22 - Jun 14 with 4034 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 16:08 - Jun 10 by ParisBlue |
The motoring offense occurred prior to the commencement of his loan spell here. |
What's the motoring offence got to do with it? |  |
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| Nah on 09:41 - Jun 14 with 4003 views | Dyland |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 19:46 - Jun 10 by MK1 |
If the club, players and fans show him some love, wouldn't that make him want to succeed with us and be part of our upward trajectory? He is young enough to change his ways. |
Life ain’t a Hollywood feel good flick innit.
Agree he may turn it around but I’m with Dubbers and would be amazed if Town take a gamble on it. |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:46 - Jun 14 with 3979 views | bobbyramsey |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 08:52 - Jun 14 by quad |
That's a very good point.
Hopefully that was the case, and yes it would be forgivable.
If he's done it intentionally then he's a massive tw*t, as it would have amounted to pennies for him (in relative terms to what he would have been earning). |
How many times have you "forgotten" to renew your car insurance? |  | | |
| I’ve led a far from sheltered life on 09:49 - Jun 14 with 3970 views | Dyland |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 17:27 - Jun 10 by textbackup |
And when he’s found in his car in a lay-by with a balloon hanging out of his arse we can all laugh at those that constantly pushed for this signing |
And have indulged in a veritable arsenal of heinous chemicals, but passing out in a car with a balloon hanging out of one’s arse is a new one on me 🤷🏻 [Post edited 14 Jun 2024 9:50]
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| I’ve led a far from sheltered life on 09:55 - Jun 14 with 3934 views | Churchman |
| I’ve led a far from sheltered life on 09:49 - Jun 14 by Dyland |
And have indulged in a veritable arsenal of heinous chemicals, but passing out in a car with a balloon hanging out of one’s arse is a new one on me 🤷🏻 [Post edited 14 Jun 2024 9:50]
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I think that is in the don’t want to know category!!
Aside from any of that, whatever Williams’ issues may have been/are (another I don’t wish to know), I hope he is able to make the most of the talent he undoubtably has in the future. | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:55 - Jun 14 with 3931 views | tonybied |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:46 - Jun 14 by bobbyramsey |
How many times have you "forgotten" to renew your car insurance? |
I've never forgotten to insure my car as policies renew automatically, but I have on a couple of occasions forgotten to MOT my car and accidentally driven around for a couple of weeks with no MOT. This would invalidate my insurance and if I got pulled during those couple of times I'd imagine I could possibly have been "done" for driving with no MOT and valid insurance! |  | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 10:17 - Jun 14 with 3898 views | baxterbasics |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:55 - Jun 14 by tonybied |
I've never forgotten to insure my car as policies renew automatically, but I have on a couple of occasions forgotten to MOT my car and accidentally driven around for a couple of weeks with no MOT. This would invalidate my insurance and if I got pulled during those couple of times I'd imagine I could possibly have been "done" for driving with no MOT and valid insurance! |
As a younger driver I got pulled over after police scanned and saw my MOT had expired about 6 weeks prior. I had no idea, don't get reminders like you do for insurance (and did for tax disc back then). Bit embarrassing but they saw everything else was in order and just advised me to get it parked and not drive until done. No penalty.
More recently my wife got pulled over, because I, as a passenger in the back seats, did not have my seatbelt on! No let off for that one. Thanks, eagle-eyed plod. |  |
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| Brandon Williams (again) on 11:00 - Jun 14 with 3833 views | tonybied |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 10:17 - Jun 14 by baxterbasics |
As a younger driver I got pulled over after police scanned and saw my MOT had expired about 6 weeks prior. I had no idea, don't get reminders like you do for insurance (and did for tax disc back then). Bit embarrassing but they saw everything else was in order and just advised me to get it parked and not drive until done. No penalty.
More recently my wife got pulled over, because I, as a passenger in the back seats, did not have my seatbelt on! No let off for that one. Thanks, eagle-eyed plod. |
I guess it would come down to the reason you were pulled, if you had a light out and old Bill stopped you to inform you, chances are, you might get told "get it parked and not drive until done". If you were driving dangerously or had just caused an accident, then I suspect it might be a different case! Also, it can depend on which officer stops you and the mood they're in that day! | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 11:37 - Jun 14 with 3781 views | ReusersTown |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 15:47 - Jun 10 by NeedhamChris |
Surely a behavioural risk makes it a financial risk? |
Depends on the contract. | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 11:40 - Jun 14 with 3774 views | ReusersTown |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 17:20 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Because if it's determined that he's remorseful, wants to knuckle down and get his career back on track, and if you believe in giving people a second chance, he'd be a low-risk bargain (with 'behave yourself' clauses written in).
He's not in a position to charge big wages now, so the only real risk I can see is in taking up a squad place. The potential upside is huge. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 17:22]
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Yeah, if anything it could work in our favour as an absolute bargain. Providing he's not been disruptive to the ethos of the team, which I haven't heard any report of in his time here. Only his other off the field issues. | | | |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 11:40 - Jun 14 with 3772 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brandon Williams (again) on 09:55 - Jun 14 by tonybied |
I've never forgotten to insure my car as policies renew automatically, but I have on a couple of occasions forgotten to MOT my car and accidentally driven around for a couple of weeks with no MOT. This would invalidate my insurance and if I got pulled during those couple of times I'd imagine I could possibly have been "done" for driving with no MOT and valid insurance! |
Same. I'm one of those people that needed the tax disk as a daily reminder, otherwise I'd forget. But that only worked when I remembered where I'd parked the car.... |  |
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