| Biden standing down (n/t) 18:50 - Jul 21 with 27746 views | Keno |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:53 - Jul 21 with 2517 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:27 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
I'm not sure that's strictly fair, as there weren't a lot of good alternatives who could step into his place. Getting rid when there wasn't an election to concentrate minds might have provoked more uncertainty and factional struggle.
Plus I don't think anybody else would have been more capable of stopping the March of the Trump. That is a self-contained, autonomously powered thing within Republicanism. Nothing anybody says (including, to some extent, Trump himself) cuts any ice with that cult. |
Sorry Guthrum, so many times you are correct and your knowledge of such a massive range of subjects is truly astonishing.
I think you are so wide of the mark on this though and I am so annoyed about it.
Iran, Russia, China and N Korea are flexing their muscles, do you think bat sh1t and ineffective EU have the capability or balls to stand up and be counted? I think not.
This is a blooming disaster and Biden should have realised this long long ago.
What an absolute shambles! |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:56 - Jul 21 with 2493 views | tcblue |
The US is so cooked as a former world power that none of this really matters. Let em have their orange lunatic for another four years |  | | |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:02 - Jul 21 with 2451 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 20:01 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
Not only does Michelle Obama not want to stand, it would be a very bad idea.
Sure, she'd be a very good candidate if it was just down to personality, presentation skills and perhaps policy (depending upon how far she diverged from Barak in that respect).
However, she is:
1. A woman
2. Black
3. The wife of a former President.
None of those things play well with a lot of the US electorate. |
Indeed. We saw this with Hilary Clinton. Had Obama backed Biden rather than Hilary in 2016 I don’t believe Trump would have won and he’d certainly not be standing now. |  |
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| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:06 - Jul 21 with 2442 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 20:46 - Jul 21 by WD19 |
Pre assassination attempt, polling showed that Michelle Obama would beat Trump comfortably. No other individual could boast the same - and certainly not Harris. |
Surely they should be looking at who would be the best President, not who would beat Trump. I’m sure there are a lot of celebrities who could beat Trump but they could be completely unsuited on the world stage. And yes, I understand this also applies to Trump. [Post edited 22 Jul 2024 9:42]
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:18 - Jul 21 with 2406 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:48 - Jul 21 by EdwardStone |
Exactly this LL
All this situation could have been avoided with a bit of forward planning |
Kamala Harris called Trump’s game 5 years ago and it reads as though it was written 5 mins ago
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:23 - Jul 21 with 2379 views | Guthrum |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:56 - Jul 21 by tcblue |
The US is so cooked as a former world power that none of this really matters. Let em have their orange lunatic for another four years |
Except that isn't the case. The USA is far from being a 'former world power'.
For example, their annual military expenditure dwarfs anyone else's (over three times the second placed nation, by some accounts). A vast amount of the world's commerce is denominated in US dollars.
Not only do they have massive influence globally, but the withdrawal of that influence into a new era of isolationism will leave dangerous voids all over the place, ripe for exploitation by ruthless regimes. That, in turn, destabilising world affairs and riskingeven more destructive wars as the lines are redrawn. |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:23 - Jul 21 with 2364 views | Ftnfwest |
But Sir Keir said he was fine? |  | | |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:29 - Jul 21 with 2355 views | WD19 |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:06 - Jul 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Surely they should be looking at who would be the best President, not who would beat Trump. I’m sure there are a lot of celebrities who could beat Trump but they could be completely unsuited on the world stage. And yes, I understand this also applies to Trump. [Post edited 22 Jul 2024 9:42]
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That’s more a question for 160m US voters.
Unfortunately the available evidence suggests that of the current experienced political candidates none can beat Trump on current form. They either don’t have the ‘brand’ or have other features that will hinder them at the ballot box. |  | | |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:33 - Jul 21 with 2350 views | Guthrum |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:53 - Jul 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Sorry Guthrum, so many times you are correct and your knowledge of such a massive range of subjects is truly astonishing.
I think you are so wide of the mark on this though and I am so annoyed about it.
Iran, Russia, China and N Korea are flexing their muscles, do you think bat sh1t and ineffective EU have the capability or balls to stand up and be counted? I think not.
This is a blooming disaster and Biden should have realised this long long ago.
What an absolute shambles! |
It goes back further than Biden. They ought to have been thinking about succession during Obama's tenure. There were so many problems with Hillary Clinton, very capable woman tho she is.
But I maintain that Trump is a product of structural issues which go much further back than 2016. The long, painful decline of industry and mining in the Appalachians and the Midwest, wealth inequality, demographic changes, all creating large dissatisfied groups. Coupled with changes in information and media, plus some influence from other places, helping to direct that anger. The Tea Party sprang up while Trump was still a registered Democrat. He piggy-backed upon it as a route to power. | |
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| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:35 - Jul 21 with 2333 views | Guthrum |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:02 - Jul 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. We saw this with Hilary Clinton. Had Obama backed Biden rather than Hilary in 2016 I don’t believe Trump would have won and he’d certainly not be standing now. |
I tend to agree with that. Despite her being very capable. | |
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| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:38 - Jul 21 with 2315 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 21:06 - Jul 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Surely they should be looking at who would be the best President, not who would beat Trump. I’m sure there are a lot of celebrities who could beat Trump but they could be completely unsuited on the world stage. And yes, I understand this also applies to Trump. [Post edited 22 Jul 2024 9:42]
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Anyone who can best Trump and is not insane is the best candidate |  | | |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:39 - Jul 21 with 2305 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 19:05 - Jul 21 by J2BLUE |
Hope it's not Harris. I don't think she can beat Trump. |
The Rock's time has come. |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:46 - Jul 21 with 2296 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 21:33 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
It goes back further than Biden. They ought to have been thinking about succession during Obama's tenure. There were so many problems with Hillary Clinton, very capable woman tho she is.
But I maintain that Trump is a product of structural issues which go much further back than 2016. The long, painful decline of industry and mining in the Appalachians and the Midwest, wealth inequality, demographic changes, all creating large dissatisfied groups. Coupled with changes in information and media, plus some influence from other places, helping to direct that anger. The Tea Party sprang up while Trump was still a registered Democrat. He piggy-backed upon it as a route to power. |
Some of what you say is true although that is all completely irrelevant to the point I was making. | |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 22:37 - Jul 21 with 2175 views | NthQldITFC |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:02 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
But who else would do any better than Harris? |
Not a clue personally, but it's just so important that the next president is not Trump, it overrides any other consideration for me. All about the result and the Democrats have to as ruthless now as Trump in that regard, the niceties of convention, precedent and promises have to be pushed aside in order to win. |  |
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| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 23:56 - Jul 21 with 2102 views | blueasfook |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 20:01 - Jul 21 by Buhrer |
Clooney |
An actor as president? What a ridiculous idea. |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 03:38 - Jul 22 with 1993 views | Illinoisblue |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:22 - Jul 21 by Lord_Lucan |
And there's me being told that he's completely on the ball and fighting fit.
Silly old fool should have done this ages ago.
Ultimately his family's yearning for power have put the world's peace at risk.
Complete bunch of arse.
Shame on the lot of them. |
Who, exactly, was telling you Biden was on the ball and fighting fit? |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 05:28 - Jul 22 with 1970 views | Roggydem |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 18:55 - Jul 21 by Mullet |
That is massive. Never thought he'd do it either as he seemed to feel he was owed his time in office for stepping aside previously etc.
The cult rising around Trump and the dying down of his Epstein island stuff since the assassination attempt seems too much to turn.
Presumably this is an attempt to get everyone out to vote where possible and make sure Trump doesn't get in? |
You didn't think he would do it? Seriously? This whole thing has been beyond obvious lol | | | |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 05:30 - Jul 22 with 1960 views | Roggydem |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 19:08 - Jul 21 by gtsb1966 |
The world needs to accept it's 4 years of Trump. How depressing...especially for Ukraine. |
Dunno I reckon the Ukrainian youth that won't have to die might think otherwise. | | | |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 06:26 - Jul 22 with 1921 views | iamatractorboy |
| Face it, nobody is gonna beat him. (n/t) on 23:56 - Jul 21 by blueasfook |
An actor as president? What a ridiculous idea. |
I read that in the voice of Doc Brown from Back to the Future. | | | |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 06:40 - Jul 22 with 1893 views | Buhrer |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 05:30 - Jul 22 by Roggydem |
Dunno I reckon the Ukrainian youth that won't have to die might think otherwise. |
Have Russia agreed to stop killing them then? |  | | |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 07:08 - Jul 22 with 1848 views | tcblue |
Elizabeth Warren would be a great President but that ship has sailed for the Dems | | | |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 09:08 - Jul 22 with 1731 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 20:27 - Jul 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Harris plus Newsom I assume will be the politically acceptable option.
Harris plus Buttigieg would be the best option policy wise, but a woman plus a gay man? Not in an America where Trump wants to remove equality of marriage for gay couples. |
That combo would have no chance for the reasons you mention. Although I do like PB as the next up for the Dems after Harris.
The VP pick will be someone from a key swing state who can appeal across parties. Trump is still very hard to vote for, for so many people. So is Harris so a good moderate VP pick could be crucial. The names mentioned, Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, Roy Cooper are all really good shouts.
But the choice imo has to be Andy Beshear. Won 2 elections in very red states, whilst supporting progressive issues. As per recent polling the most popular governor in the USA I believe. He would dog walk JD Vance. |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 09:30 - Jul 22 with 1690 views | baxterbasics |
I don't see Harris beating Trump, it's going to be Hillary part 2. They've gone from no chance with Biden to slimmest chance with her. My boss is American and solid anti-Trump, but has nothing good to say about KH. I don't think she is centrist enough to pick up floaters or anti-Trump republicans (there are still a few of these).
I read murmurings that Mitt Romney, the most prominent never-Trumper on the Republican side could 'cross the floor' - he would do better picking up what's left of the centre ground - but this seems very unlikely too.
Could still be other challengers for the nomination of course, depends what the Dem committee decides regarding the process, but as it stands looks like it will be a coronation for the current veep. |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 09:39 - Jul 22 with 1667 views | BlueBadger |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 05:30 - Jul 22 by Roggydem |
Dunno I reckon the Ukrainian youth that won't have to die might think otherwise. |
How's the weather there in Moscow Rog? |  |
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| Biden standing down (n/t) on 09:47 - Jul 22 with 1646 views | Guthrum |
| Biden standing down (n/t) on 22:37 - Jul 21 by NthQldITFC |
Not a clue personally, but it's just so important that the next president is not Trump, it overrides any other consideration for me. All about the result and the Democrats have to as ruthless now as Trump in that regard, the niceties of convention, precedent and promises have to be pushed aside in order to win. |
It's an exceedingly tricky choice. Push for the centre ground to gather swing voters and you risk losing the progressives. The Dems can't afford to ape what Starmer did, the margins are so tight that they need every single vote (both turnout and cast).
Biden was the compromise candidate in 2020, one of very few who could bring both wings of the party together (which is also why Obama picked him as VP, along with his experience). Unfortunately, he is about 15 years too old and no longer seems to up to the rigours of campaigning. Unlike the Trump cult, people tear into him when he makes mistakes or falls over. | |
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