| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad 22:06 - Aug 4 with 23314 views | The_Romford_Blue |
This whole week with the stuff on the news is really just awful.
I’m seeing video after video after video of gangs of 100+ scum looking for random people of colour, or Asians or anyone they believe isn’t one of their own.
These people are scum. We know that. Tommy Robinson/Yaxley Lennon should be serving time for inciting this. I’d say he’s the most dangerous person in England right now and his followers are akin to a cult. Likewise the hundreds of others in recent terms who have stoked this fire should be in a cell. Suella Braverman, Pritti Patel, Dan Wootton, Nigel Farage. All of them. We have politicians saying this response is ‘politically justified’. We’ve MPs voted in fairly and squarely actively encouraging this.its abhorrent that this is now normal that it’s not an isolated incident. It’s actually now the norm to hear a politician being openly racist to gain support of the far right. It’s the norm to see thugs chanting about wanting their country back. It’s the norm to see migrants being targeted. It’s the norm to see people being abused for the colour of the skin. I can’t help but be overwhelmed with pure anger and hatred for what those with influence and power have allowed to happen for what would be normal everyday people turning a blind eye to what is happening right now on our streets to let these thugs get away with doing this.
But what is horribly horribly sad is that there are so many innocent people now getting attacked on the street. Just today I’ve seen a car smashed in because the driver was Asian, a black guy attacked by 20+ blokes for asking why he’s being racially abused, an Asian guy with his earphones in punched in the face when minding his own business, a taxi driver crying that he’s being abused every day this week and then at the end of the interview that actually happens to him again, a hotel set on fire with children in and a mob blocking the road and only letting white people drive through. That’s just today.
I’ve said before my best mate is from Kuwait and the thought of her sitting at home today and not going on her family walk that they’ve gone on for years and years (of which I’ve joined on dozens of occasions) across the nicer parts of greater Manchester just because ‘it’s not worth risking it’ makes me feel ashamed to be English. I know it’s a minority acting like this. But if this was happening in Hungary or Poland or whatever we would watch on the news in disgust and wonder how did it happen on mass. And yet now it’s happening daily across England.
I could just turn off the news, twitter etc but that won’t change anything other than make me oblivious. But what is happening right now in my opinion is the lowest point in the history of ‘Great’ Britain. It’s terribly sad. |  |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 05:39 - Aug 6 with 2520 views | victorywilhappen |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 22:37 - Aug 4 by BondiBlue |
From a very australia-centric point of view, the UK is now a country that i'm not sure we want to align ourselves too closely with. Too unpredictable, too racist. Breaks my heart to say that. Not a great feeling as a migrant to lose that sense of pride in where you come from. |
'Stop the boats' was an Australian slogan.
'Why would ya wanna be anywhere else..?' White suburban privilege is not Australia.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/08/stop-the-boats-sunaks-anti-asylu |  | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:05 - Aug 6 with 2380 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 23:23 - Aug 5 by Swansea_Blue |
If those opinions seek to justify racist attacks, a witching is probably the best outcome. Banning is the alternative.
I just wish everyone would calm the eff down. |
I don't think it was justification of any racist attacks, I think it was just a more two wrongs don't make a right.
And you are right, we are letting this hate campaigning over social media cripple us. It's not too dissimilar to that channel 4 show not long ago.
Excuse this source but as noted, two wrongs don't make a right.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29706765/shocking-footage-gang-palestinian-flags-p
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:26 - Aug 6 with 2350 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:05 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
I don't think it was justification of any racist attacks, I think it was just a more two wrongs don't make a right.
And you are right, we are letting this hate campaigning over social media cripple us. It's not too dissimilar to that channel 4 show not long ago.
Excuse this source but as noted, two wrongs don't make a right.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29706765/shocking-footage-gang-palestinian-flags-p
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You're making the same mistake as texters, calling it 'sides' and making them out to be equal.
There has been a whole week of white, racist, far-right scumbags smashing up towns, attacking people including the police and looting shops, trying to get into/set light to hotels where poor innocent asylum seekers are seeking refuge... a few asians come out looking to protect their communities/retaliate (yes, some with weapons) and you and him are quick to jump and say it's equally bad. No. There's nothing equal about it. Saying "two wrongs don't make a right" suggests the two wrongs are the same. They're not - in size, and in the fact that these Asians wouldn't be out on the streets if the far right knuckleheads hadn't started it - let's face it, because someone falsely said on social media that the Southport murderer was Muslim.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's like claiming "Actually all lives matter". It spectacularly misses the point and is very close to racism itself. |  |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:36 - Aug 6 with 2343 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:26 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're making the same mistake as texters, calling it 'sides' and making them out to be equal.
There has been a whole week of white, racist, far-right scumbags smashing up towns, attacking people including the police and looting shops, trying to get into/set light to hotels where poor innocent asylum seekers are seeking refuge... a few asians come out looking to protect their communities/retaliate (yes, some with weapons) and you and him are quick to jump and say it's equally bad. No. There's nothing equal about it. Saying "two wrongs don't make a right" suggests the two wrongs are the same. They're not - in size, and in the fact that these Asians wouldn't be out on the streets if the far right knuckleheads hadn't started it - let's face it, because someone falsely said on social media that the Southport murderer was Muslim.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's like claiming "Actually all lives matter". It spectacularly misses the point and is very close to racism itself. |
And just like Texters posts you just take the bit of narrative you need to point the racism stick.
I literally said two comments ago about there is are two sides of idiots and then a large grey area where the majority suffers. I also said earlier in the thread that colour don't matter. Pointing out that there is two sides to this (plus the actual victims in the middle) is not racist.
You're so wrong. They would be on the streets...
What they just went to Asda just to pick up a machete and a face covering so they commit good deeds last night
No, they had that stuff already, they are people known criminals and this is a sport to them just as it is to the far right. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:47 - Aug 6 with 2285 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:36 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
And just like Texters posts you just take the bit of narrative you need to point the racism stick.
I literally said two comments ago about there is are two sides of idiots and then a large grey area where the majority suffers. I also said earlier in the thread that colour don't matter. Pointing out that there is two sides to this (plus the actual victims in the middle) is not racist.
You're so wrong. They would be on the streets...
What they just went to Asda just to pick up a machete and a face covering so they commit good deeds last night
No, they had that stuff already, they are people known criminals and this is a sport to them just as it is to the far right. |
You continue to comment as if the "sides" were equivalents.
Its really not an issue of sides, and that narrative in itself is absolutely part of the Yaxley Lennon / Farage / Trump grift, seeking to divide people. Stop it.
There are a small minority of nationalist bigots, attacking police people and property for (at best) confused and illogical reasons. If a small number of people wave weapons about to show resistance or protect themselves, then they must be dealt with too, but the numbers are far from equivalent, the actions are far from equivalent, and they are not "opposite sides" in any event.
People who have been here for decades or generations, standing up to racist agression are not on a "side". They are not taking a position on whatever the thugs are supposedly protesting about (which remains utterly unclear beyond "we dont like foreigners"). They are not "left winger" or "libs" or anything else.
You sound just like Trump defending the neo nazi thugs by saying there are fine people on both sides. |  | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:52 - Aug 6 with 2249 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:36 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
And just like Texters posts you just take the bit of narrative you need to point the racism stick.
I literally said two comments ago about there is are two sides of idiots and then a large grey area where the majority suffers. I also said earlier in the thread that colour don't matter. Pointing out that there is two sides to this (plus the actual victims in the middle) is not racist.
You're so wrong. They would be on the streets...
What they just went to Asda just to pick up a machete and a face covering so they commit good deeds last night
No, they had that stuff already, they are people known criminals and this is a sport to them just as it is to the far right. |
I think we shall have to agree to disagree.
The people with the machete's are criminals - but they are a tiny amount.
"They would be on the streets..."
What mob handed, looking for white people to fight?! You have no evidence for this where the much-greater-in-numbers white mob wasn't already out there. | |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:57 - Aug 6 with 2226 views | noggin |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:47 - Aug 6 by redrickstuhaart |
You continue to comment as if the "sides" were equivalents.
Its really not an issue of sides, and that narrative in itself is absolutely part of the Yaxley Lennon / Farage / Trump grift, seeking to divide people. Stop it.
There are a small minority of nationalist bigots, attacking police people and property for (at best) confused and illogical reasons. If a small number of people wave weapons about to show resistance or protect themselves, then they must be dealt with too, but the numbers are far from equivalent, the actions are far from equivalent, and they are not "opposite sides" in any event.
People who have been here for decades or generations, standing up to racist agression are not on a "side". They are not taking a position on whatever the thugs are supposedly protesting about (which remains utterly unclear beyond "we dont like foreigners"). They are not "left winger" or "libs" or anything else.
You sound just like Trump defending the neo nazi thugs by saying there are fine people on both sides. |
The battle of Cable Street springs to mind. The anti fascists who stopped Mosley and his mob are widely considered brave heros now, and rightly so. |  |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:59 - Aug 6 with 2222 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:52 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think we shall have to agree to disagree.
The people with the machete's are criminals - but they are a tiny amount.
"They would be on the streets..."
What mob handed, looking for white people to fight?! You have no evidence for this where the much-greater-in-numbers white mob wasn't already out there. |
I am looking forward to being referred to verifiable reports of these tooled up Asian mobs roaming the streets from a month or more ago.
Sigh.
What, exactly, are these thugs actually purporting to be out there for anyway? It remains entirely unclear and wrapped in Faragey innuendo. [Post edited 6 Aug 2024 8:07]
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 08:42 - Aug 6 with 2152 views | witchdoctor |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 23:02 - Aug 5 by Reus30 |
Ok unfortunately this out of control situation is just making me dive deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.
And I've come to the conclusion that what's texter was saying was a credible opinion and I think the downvoting and vilifying was OTT.
There is two sides to this and there is a grey area too. No one should be armed right now, it has been shown that peace can find a way and hopefully the majority of us can see that and protect our society as a whole. We likely know people whether friends or families who are on both sides of this but those of us on the sidelines need to step in, shop those who are escalating the division and violence. For that, Texters is a million percent correct and the witchhunt that took place on the first few pages was a bit out of hand. I mean, there was no backing down !!! But it can get a bit silly when someone has a different perspective or opinion. We are all different.
The FR can frankly ef off and die.
However, I've seen clippings were particularly Asian fellas (likely not immigrants due to age etc) chucking out social media vids, with the clavas on, throwing out gun signs, harassing members of the public, whilst 'defending' their own patch or confronted the FR nobbers whilst wielding large machetes.
I'm happy to be downvoted into oblivion for agreeing with the villain of the month on these boards but you have to hold everyone to account and not just look at one side. |
well said …🙌🙌🙌 |  | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 09:39 - Aug 6 with 2043 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:47 - Aug 6 by redrickstuhaart |
You continue to comment as if the "sides" were equivalents.
Its really not an issue of sides, and that narrative in itself is absolutely part of the Yaxley Lennon / Farage / Trump grift, seeking to divide people. Stop it.
There are a small minority of nationalist bigots, attacking police people and property for (at best) confused and illogical reasons. If a small number of people wave weapons about to show resistance or protect themselves, then they must be dealt with too, but the numbers are far from equivalent, the actions are far from equivalent, and they are not "opposite sides" in any event.
People who have been here for decades or generations, standing up to racist agression are not on a "side". They are not taking a position on whatever the thugs are supposedly protesting about (which remains utterly unclear beyond "we dont like foreigners"). They are not "left winger" or "libs" or anything else.
You sound just like Trump defending the neo nazi thugs by saying there are fine people on both sides. |
When there is division, there are sides and there is also a middle. The middle being the victims which is 99% of human beings but there is sides. It's not just the far right is it? There is a group who are taking violent action against not just the EDL but also innocent white people - minority but you can't just put your fingers in your ears and ignore it.
There is not fine people of both sides as I have stated a million times... but the fact you state that I (and others) sound like Trump because we can see a different perspective is very Trumpian itself.
You don't see anyone stating that their is 'sides' calling you lefty nobbers do you? No, we are entitled to an opinion. But the majority on this thread are vilifying people just because they have slightly different opinions, creating further division. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:00 - Aug 6 with 2000 views | PhilTWTD |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 22:03 - Aug 5 by Mullet |
Don’t think anyone thought it was you old boy! |
I was in Germany, so had an alibi! |  | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:02 - Aug 6 with 1988 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:00 - Aug 6 by PhilTWTD |
I was in Germany, so had an alibi! |
I am not sure that a similar alibi is going to stick for Stephen Yaxley-Lennon! |  |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:03 - Aug 6 with 1985 views | Mullet |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:00 - Aug 6 by PhilTWTD |
I was in Germany, so had an alibi! |
Evidence? |  |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:45 - Aug 6 with 1905 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 09:39 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
When there is division, there are sides and there is also a middle. The middle being the victims which is 99% of human beings but there is sides. It's not just the far right is it? There is a group who are taking violent action against not just the EDL but also innocent white people - minority but you can't just put your fingers in your ears and ignore it.
There is not fine people of both sides as I have stated a million times... but the fact you state that I (and others) sound like Trump because we can see a different perspective is very Trumpian itself.
You don't see anyone stating that their is 'sides' calling you lefty nobbers do you? No, we are entitled to an opinion. But the majority on this thread are vilifying people just because they have slightly different opinions, creating further division. |
No-one's putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring it. They're just not giving it the same weight as the masses of far-right knuckleheads who started all this. | |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:51 - Aug 6 with 1864 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:45 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring it. They're just not giving it the same weight as the masses of far-right knuckleheads who started all this. |
The far right didn't start this mate, this has been brewing for years. This didn't just happen at the weekend on a whim.
14 years of rubbish government bs.
8 years post brexit.
4 since lockdown.
Social media properganda now having zero filter and millions of bots.
Cancel culture creating gaps allowing FR nutters to get in and create further division.
People are pissed off. And just like the Archduke Ferdinand, it only took one thing to light the match. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:05 - Aug 6 with 1787 views | lowhouseblue |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:45 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring it. They're just not giving it the same weight as the masses of far-right knuckleheads who started all this. |
what happened in birmingham caused me to rewatch jess phillips' speech at her count a month ago. she described it as the worst election she had run in and characterised it as dominated by intimidation and the threat of violence. she was heckled as she spoke. in the election she had been challenged by the candidate backed by 'The Muslim Voice'. the extreme divisiveness of that election contest and people on the street last night is part of where we are now and needs to be taken very seriously (though the urgent bit remains the police and courts squashing the racist rioters). |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:09 - Aug 6 with 1740 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:05 - Aug 6 by lowhouseblue |
what happened in birmingham caused me to rewatch jess phillips' speech at her count a month ago. she described it as the worst election she had run in and characterised it as dominated by intimidation and the threat of violence. she was heckled as she spoke. in the election she had been challenged by the candidate backed by 'The Muslim Voice'. the extreme divisiveness of that election contest and people on the street last night is part of where we are now and needs to be taken very seriously (though the urgent bit remains the police and courts squashing the racist rioters). |
Exactly, I mean look at the pictures of those men on the roundabout.
All just innocent men.... let's not even get started on women's rights or sex crimes shall we. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:37 - Aug 6 with 1653 views | DJR |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 10:51 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
The far right didn't start this mate, this has been brewing for years. This didn't just happen at the weekend on a whim.
14 years of rubbish government bs.
8 years post brexit.
4 since lockdown.
Social media properganda now having zero filter and millions of bots.
Cancel culture creating gaps allowing FR nutters to get in and create further division.
People are pissed off. And just like the Archduke Ferdinand, it only took one thing to light the match. |
Surely you don't think that blaming and attacking non-whites is the answer to the problems you mention?
EDIT: Here's what appears to be an example.
Man in serious condition in hospital in Belfast after suspected hate crime
People stamped on a man’s head in an attack that police are treating as a hate crime during another night of rioting in Belfast in Northern Ireland.
Members of the public attempted to shield the man, who is in his 50s, during the disturbances in the Donegall Road and Oban Street area on Monday night, police said.
He has been hospitalised. “His condition is described as serious and we are treating his attack as a hate crime,” said the statement.
The crowd, several dozen-strong, threw bricks and petrol bombs, set a police Land Rover alight and attempted to burn the remains of a supermarket that had been torched during a riot on Saturday. It is owned by an immigrant. “Officers were able to douse this small fire before it developed,” said the statement. [Post edited 6 Aug 2024 11:42]
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:58 - Aug 6 with 1583 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:37 - Aug 6 by DJR |
Surely you don't think that blaming and attacking non-whites is the answer to the problems you mention?
EDIT: Here's what appears to be an example.
Man in serious condition in hospital in Belfast after suspected hate crime
People stamped on a man’s head in an attack that police are treating as a hate crime during another night of rioting in Belfast in Northern Ireland.
Members of the public attempted to shield the man, who is in his 50s, during the disturbances in the Donegall Road and Oban Street area on Monday night, police said.
He has been hospitalised. “His condition is described as serious and we are treating his attack as a hate crime,” said the statement.
The crowd, several dozen-strong, threw bricks and petrol bombs, set a police Land Rover alight and attempted to burn the remains of a supermarket that had been torched during a riot on Saturday. It is owned by an immigrant. “Officers were able to douse this small fire before it developed,” said the statement. [Post edited 6 Aug 2024 11:42]
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Not in the slightest. Any violence is wrong - full stop. EDL/facism is wrong. Any criminal behavior should be punished accordingly. Pointing out that society has been crumbling for a long time. The seeds of division have been happening for a long time.
But it's ok, when I pointed this out, it was called having a flounce. No one is laughing now.
The whole situation is abhorrent. The government need to sort this yesterday because people on both sides (I said it again - take your masks off you silly fools, nothing to hide if you are just protecting things) and stoking the flames to keep this going. The media are stoking it too. It's just shameful. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 12:25 - Aug 6 with 1511 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 11:09 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
Exactly, I mean look at the pictures of those men on the roundabout.
All just innocent men.... let's not even get started on women's rights or sex crimes shall we. |
I'm talking about the overall picture, not just Birmingham. | |
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| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 14:10 - Aug 6 with 1303 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 07:36 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
And just like Texters posts you just take the bit of narrative you need to point the racism stick.
I literally said two comments ago about there is are two sides of idiots and then a large grey area where the majority suffers. I also said earlier in the thread that colour don't matter. Pointing out that there is two sides to this (plus the actual victims in the middle) is not racist.
You're so wrong. They would be on the streets...
What they just went to Asda just to pick up a machete and a face covering so they commit good deeds last night
No, they had that stuff already, they are people known criminals and this is a sport to them just as it is to the far right. |
You just don't get it do you? |  | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 14:19 - Aug 6 with 1256 views | Reus30 |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 14:10 - Aug 6 by reusersfreekicks |
You just don't get it do you? |
Explain it to me please.
Show me what I am missing. | | | |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 17:21 - Aug 6 with 1090 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don’t know whether I’m angry or sad on 14:19 - Aug 6 by Reus30 |
Explain it to me please.
Show me what I am missing. |
The rioting is not a reaction to genuine social injustices and it is nothing like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand leading to World War II (EDIT: WWI - shows how little I know my history!).
There are some very nasty people stirring real hatred for no good reason that has led to rioting. [Post edited 6 Aug 2024 18:53]
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