| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel 09:24 - Aug 18 with 28176 views | carlisleaway |
We went through the whole Championship without kneeling, surely this is not required |  | | |  |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:59 - Aug 18 with 2223 views | Ryorry |
Iirc, you had an idiotic thing about this and posted it on here years ago too (5, 6?). You got pretty much the same reaction then as now. Pity you didn’t learn from it. [Post edited 18 Aug 2024 11:02]
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:02 - Aug 18 with 2193 views | Whos_blue |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:50 - Aug 18 by mrshallisfit |
And the rock is lifted up, and the lice scuttle around. |
Ouch! |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:07 - Aug 18 with 2159 views | lowhouseblue |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:55 - Aug 18 by BlueBadger |
It's the old 'you're not allowed a social conscience if you earn a lot of money' employed mostly by bad faith merchants who haven't got anything better to use when they're arguing against anything that involves being slightly less of a prick to your fellow humans. |
everyone's allowed a social conscience - it's a good thing. but if you earn £350,000 a week through an industry characterised by greed, extreme financial excess, and corruption you can also expect people to take your symbolic gestures on 'deep-rooted inequalities' with many many pinches of salt. people can earn many multi-millions, primarily due to monopoly power in the media industry and collusion with advertisers, but they can't then also expect their claims to moral authority also be universally respected. i'm certain you wouldn't be uncritical of the social conscience claims of a banker. what's the difference - both have their extreme wealth as a side product of corporate greed. you need to be consistent here. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:10 - Aug 18 with 2088 views | BlueBadger |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:07 - Aug 18 by lowhouseblue |
everyone's allowed a social conscience - it's a good thing. but if you earn £350,000 a week through an industry characterised by greed, extreme financial excess, and corruption you can also expect people to take your symbolic gestures on 'deep-rooted inequalities' with many many pinches of salt. people can earn many multi-millions, primarily due to monopoly power in the media industry and collusion with advertisers, but they can't then also expect their claims to moral authority also be universally respected. i'm certain you wouldn't be uncritical of the social conscience claims of a banker. what's the difference - both have their extreme wealth as a side product of corporate greed. you need to be consistent here. |
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| I was annoyed too.... on 11:10 - Aug 18 with 2086 views | Bloots |
....annoyed we lost and a bit peeved that the announcer spent so much time shouting "Blue army" and announcing the teams that we didn't really get the chance to belt out "Hey Jude".
Some blokes kneeling down didn't annoy me in the slightest though. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:11 - Aug 18 with 2041 views | noggin |
Yeah but, he shouldn't care about racism. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:12 - Aug 18 with 2046 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
If your house gets burgled are you annoyed when the police turn up, because they shouldn't be needed either? |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:12 - Aug 18 with 2021 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:45 - Aug 18 by lowhouseblue |
i don't have an issue with it in the slightest - it's a few times a season and it didn't even register with me yesterday. it's up to the players individually and collectively. i'm not all that clear on what it's now intended to mean - different commentators use many different phrases to describe it. personally i'm not that keen on people like salah (on £350,000 a week) getting any claim to the moral high ground when it comers to 'deep-rooted inequalities'. if the elite football bodies / media companies are in any way involved in promoting it, being bodies characterised by financial excess and extreme corporate greed, then that really is a pretty empty and cynical thing. [Post edited 18 Aug 2024 10:47]
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What on earth has Mo Salah's wages got to do with racism? | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:15 - Aug 18 with 1974 views | lowhouseblue |
i did not know that. in which case salah wasn't the best of the liverpool team to pick out - i just assumed he earned the most. but the point about obscene wealth in elite football still stands. in most cases i will look elsewhere for moral leadership. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:15 - Aug 18 with 1961 views | Tonytown |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 09:31 - Aug 18 by carlisleaway |
I did say that was my personal opinion and stick by it |
Racists gonna racist |  | | |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:19 - Aug 18 with 1901 views | lowhouseblue |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:12 - Aug 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What on earth has Mo Salah's wages got to do with racism? |
"personally i'm not that keen on people like salah (on £350,000 a week) getting any claim to the moral high ground when it comers to 'deep-rooted inequalities'."
i was originally replying to a post which had described taking the knee as a statement against 'deep-rooted inequalities' - not narrowly as about racism. i have explained why i'm not all that impressed by the moral authority of elite footballers when it comes to economic inequality. i have nothing against them, certainly not those who play for town, but they aren't in general people i would take moral leadership from. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:46 - Aug 18 with 1708 views | Wickets |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 09:25 - Aug 18 by MK1 |
Shouldn't be required. |
Shouldn't but sadly is . |  | | |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:05 - Aug 18 with 1609 views | urbanpenguin |
Really looking for your feedback when a player wears a rainbow armband or laces. |  | | |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:06 - Aug 18 with 1606 views | GavTWTD |
Did I hear/read somewhere that it's a one-off across the premiership this weekend? |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:08 - Aug 18 with 1601 views | Mullet |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:06 - Aug 18 by GavTWTD |
Did I hear/read somewhere that it's a one-off across the premiership this weekend? |
Six games a season. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:12 - Aug 18 with 1574 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 11:19 - Aug 18 by lowhouseblue |
"personally i'm not that keen on people like salah (on £350,000 a week) getting any claim to the moral high ground when it comers to 'deep-rooted inequalities'."
i was originally replying to a post which had described taking the knee as a statement against 'deep-rooted inequalities' - not narrowly as about racism. i have explained why i'm not all that impressed by the moral authority of elite footballers when it comes to economic inequality. i have nothing against them, certainly not those who play for town, but they aren't in general people i would take moral leadership from. |
Taking the knee is about racism though. And actually high profile footballers are excellent people to make a symbolic gesture against it. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:19 - Aug 18 with 2081 views | Whos_blue |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:08 - Aug 18 by Mullet |
Six games a season. |
Brilliant.
Only 5 more threads of this bobbins to go.
PS.
Polite and respectful mesage to nogs and blueas. Please don't turn this into a 5-6 pager of "you said". You've both made your points well. Can we just accept a score draw with this one? The thread has been decent but risks losing it's way with the personal stuff between you both.
As I said. It's a polite and respectful request. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:21 - Aug 18 with 2050 views | carlisleaway |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:58 - Aug 18 by noggin |
Yeah, imagine a brown skinned muslim taking a tiny show of unity against racism. How dare he! |
Seem to have quite a stir, with my personal comment. Supported the the club for over 60 years
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:21 - Aug 18 with 2034 views | noggin |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:19 - Aug 18 by Whos_blue |
Brilliant.
Only 5 more threads of this bobbins to go.
PS.
Polite and respectful mesage to nogs and blueas. Please don't turn this into a 5-6 pager of "you said". You've both made your points well. Can we just accept a score draw with this one? The thread has been decent but risks losing it's way with the personal stuff between you both.
As I said. It's a polite and respectful request. |
Yes, I'll leave this one to the elites of the group to pat each other on the shoulders. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:26 - Aug 18 with 1974 views | Mullet |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:21 - Aug 18 by carlisleaway |
Seem to have quite a stir, with my personal comment. Supported the the club for over 60 years
and seen worse on this board. |
What does supporting the club for 60 years have to do with it? Surely you remember the bad old days of monkey chants etc and we have a proud Muslim for a captain, leading us out in the Prem and you are moaning about this?
Can you not see what an ignorant look that’s giving off?
You can’t seem to say why it’s even an issue, just repeating it’s your opinion only baffles people more. If you can’t explain it to people, trying to justify it and talking about a stir, only makes it seem like you’re intentionally being a dickhead to annoy people. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:38 - Aug 18 with 1913 views | MK1 |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 10:31 - Aug 18 by glasso |
...and yet here you are, showing exactly why it is needed. |
Read it again.
It shouldn't be needed because racism shouldn't be a thing.
Footballers having to remind people that being a racist and that equality is a human right, isn't right.
Why can't people just be accepted for who they are, rather than what they look like/sexuality/religion. Such a shame. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:45 - Aug 18 with 1853 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s a little odd when Ipswich are funded to profit the very Institution that got US sportsmen kneeling but other than that whiff of hypocrisy it’s just virtue signalling and surely doesn’t do much harm?
Then again maybe that’s why they did it. | |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:46 - Aug 18 with 1844 views | Rimsy |
The only thing I would say, is that it's obviously an edict from the PL. The players are not choosing to take the knee, rather they are contractually obliged (for 6 games?). Rather negates the point of it. Doesn't bother me either way by the way. |  |
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:51 - Aug 18 with 1778 views | Cafe_Newman |
Respectfully, Carlisleaway, I would say you should have expanded on your reasons for your annoyance because you're likely to be accused of holding views which you may not hold if you don't.
I'm a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male. I have mixed-race kids of my own and mixed-race nieces and nephews. My family is truly multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-faith, multi-national and multi-political. The knee at the start of the match irritated me slightly too but not because it's not necessary or because there's no racism. Not even because I don't like mixing politics with sport - although I recognise there can be a place for using sport to get important messages across to people for the betterment of society.
My annoyance lies in the fact although this is supposed to be an opportunity given to the players to voluntarily express their stance against forms of inequality - it comes at a price. Many see this as virtue signalling where those who decide not to express their views in this manner run the risk of appearing not to support equality for minorities. Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable taking the knee in that situation, as would my kids and their mother.
Racial, cultural and religious differences will always will be used as a tool in politics. It's interesting to see that many of the negative comments you have received in this thread are from the most vocal in political threads on this site.
My own family experiences over the last 5 decades have shown me that many of us who have been at the blunt end of racism and minority exclusion prefer to recognise that the biggest problem lat the moment lies with our politicians who, by playing the race and minority cards, manufacture and inflame division in society for their own political goals.
A belief held by my family and friends that have experienced injustices first-hand is that the well-intentioned "taking of the knee" can actually worsen the climate of division in society and that there are better, longer lasting solutions to this particular problem than taking the knee. [Post edited 18 Aug 2024 12:55]
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| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:52 - Aug 18 with 1765 views | Ryorry |
| Personally the only thing that annoyed me yesterday was the pre match kneel on 12:21 - Aug 18 by carlisleaway |
Seem to have quite a stir, with my personal comment. Supported the the club for over 60 years
and seen worse on this board. |
Maybe your short-term memory is worse than mine, because I seem to remember you posting the same ignorant/wind-up comment about 5(?) years ago (my apols if incorrect, but your username is quite distinctive).
Why would you do that? Just seems provocative and/or wilfully ignorant. Most people would have learned from the previous experience of doing the same. (Again, apols if I've got the wrong person). | |
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