| I'm probably in the minority here. 18:05 - Oct 26 with 6128 views | homer_123 |
And that's fine.
I'm feeling quite positive after today. A performance that was infinitely better than the Everton game.
I know, I know...we didn't get anything out of today. I get that.
However, we are 'not' out of our league...Brentford are a quality side and that was a really good performance.
For me...results 'will' come. |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:33 - Oct 26 with 1522 views | bluefunk |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:34 - Oct 26 with 1511 views | victorysquad |
I only listened today but i would agree
- first time we have gone 2-0 up away from home
- sounded like we should have been 3-0 up and home and dry on 40 mins
- 10 men fought back to equalise
- lots of new learnings for the manager today
Still disappointing but there were a lot of positives and this first quarter of the season is done which will be our hardest quarter as we had the biggest adjustment to make of all the teams in the league
We need to keep our heads up, we can do this |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:34 - Oct 26 with 1505 views | braveblue |
Agree | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:37 - Oct 26 with 1490 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:12 - Oct 26 by Blue_Heath |
Please tell me what you've been drinking? I need some!
The point is we played probably better than we expected to today and still found a way to lose from 2-0 up.
I fear we are on for less points than the 94-5 season to be honest.
Defensively we are an absolute joke, we were last year too at times but you can get away with it 9/10 times in the championship but not in this league. We need 36 points out of 28 games and have 4 from 9 you honestly think we'll turn it around? |
You think we need 40 points to stay up. Strewth. | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:47 - Oct 26 with 1447 views | Radlett_blue |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:37 - Oct 26 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
You think we need 40 points to stay up. Strewth. |
Forest stayed up with 32 points (after a 4 point deduction) which as a record low for a team avoiding relegation. Generally 36 gives you a good chance of staying up, obviously depending on how bad the 3 worst teams are. That means we might need another 32 points from the remaining 29 games. You would think that Palace & wolves will probably improve.
A win against Leicester looks needed, with then Man U & Spurs coming up. [Post edited 26 Oct 2024 18:52]
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:50 - Oct 26 with 1441 views | JammyDodgerrr |
The thing I've been worried the most about us so far this season, has been where will the goals come from? Defensive errors you can iron out and work on, but you really need killer instinct to survive in this league. With loads of injuries and fitness issues, we scored three good goals today and looked like we should've scored a few more times. Feel like we've had lots of positives today, in amongst the chaos. [Post edited 26 Oct 2024 18:51]
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:23 - Oct 26 with 1387 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:11 - Oct 26 by Reus30 |
The attacking play was similar to that of last year. We looked like a real threat.
Some great performances today against a very strong side at home. Couple of mistakes again and some dodgy reffing but all positive in my eyes. We play like that every week and tidy the results, we will be ok. |
Which team will we beat playing that naively? |  | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:40 - Oct 26 with 1350 views | WestSussexBlue |
Very much agree Homer, that’s a very similar post to mine a little earlier. | | | |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:41 - Oct 26 with 1345 views | Vegtablue |
Really positive contributions from Chappers, Hirst, Szmodics and Delap I thought, and I liked some of what I saw from Phillips and Cajuste. Then Leif with his glorious assist. On the other hand we look good money for conceding 2-6 goals most games, which is a tough old hole to be in. And gutted about Ogbene, plus earlier injuries, so feeling about the same as I did on Friday in summary.  | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:42 - Oct 26 with 1344 views | Ryorry |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:27 - Oct 26 by muhrensleftfoot |
I think it was a decent performance. We have 2 excellent number 9s in Hirst and Delap. Not convinced about OShea but thought Burgess did well. The midfield today of Phillips and Cajuste shows signs of real quality. I think Harry Clarke was unlucky and a bit naive, but has the athleticism to make the step up. Davis def Premier League quality. My real concern is our keeper. Yes he made a couple of decent saves but liable to make blunders, so I really think Walton would be a safer bet. Shame about Ogbene’s injury, sounds like a season ending one. Hutchinson out wide right for me, with Burns as back up. |
"Shame about Ogbene’s injury, sounds like a season ending one."
😱 What is it? I haven't heard.
Anyway, I entirely agree with MuhrensLF OP. Having read the thread, seems like maybe he's not in the minority! |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:44 - Oct 26 with 1330 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’ve not seen it nor listened. Presumably there are plenty of positives after coming back into it with 10 men and only a post denying us pulling back level twice. Much better that than losing without putting up much of a fight against Everton. Still no points, but then you only have to remember Everton under Moyes. They were written off every year at Christmas and then always climbed clear. I’m not saying that’s guaranteed to happen, but it’ll only take a few good results to completely change the outlook. |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:47 - Oct 26 with 1303 views | hype313 |
Agreed, far better to lose like we did today, playing well, scoring goals than getting slapped 3-0 and not laying a glove.
At the very least, we know we can mix it in this league. Whether that's enough remains to be seen, but we won't be going down without a fight. |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:50 - Oct 26 with 1279 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:28 - Oct 26 by Vaughan8 |
I gotta admit, I'm the complete opposite and totally deflated.
Defence and goalie unfortunately are not good enough. We look a bit like Luton last year.....well score goals but let in too many. |
Those are the same reasons we weren't good enough to get promoted in either of the last two seasons. That, plus the fact we hadn't got a striker. |  |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 21:28 - Oct 26 with 1200 views | seblue78 |
Yep get that totally. So many positives but we can’t keep throwing it away. You get the sense that a win could start a bit of a run but this is our easier bit and we’re still losing. Shades of Luton plucky underdogs giving it a go but coming up short.. | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 21:49 - Oct 26 with 1159 views | Kev_W |
Today’s combination of positives and negatives was about as rich a mix as you can find. Some of the positives are really important to our chances of staying up: Philips and Cajuste look like a midfield pairing that can work well and compete at the right level; Hirst’s form was good and his movement and team awareness improves our goal threat. I hope we see him and Delap both in the team at some point, perhaps against certain teams or in the final 30 minutes - they will trouble most defences.
Some of the defensive frailties can be improved – Greaves and Tuanzebe are our two best defenders and we will improve when they are both back. A settled back four is also key to sorting out some of the keeper issues. | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 22:21 - Oct 26 with 1106 views | Bigalhunter |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 21:28 - Oct 26 by seblue78 |
Yep get that totally. So many positives but we can’t keep throwing it away. You get the sense that a win could start a bit of a run but this is our easier bit and we’re still losing. Shades of Luton plucky underdogs giving it a go but coming up short.. |
Have to agree regarding the similarity to Luton, but we’re considerably bigger fish than them.
As always, 50% of the optimism is convincing and 50% of the pessimism equally so.
The pessimistic bit….
For me, the defence is a monstrous worry. It was last season as well, but we managed to win a number of games by the odd goal in 3 or 5. I imagine Brentford fans feel exactly the same, having let in 3 at home to us and Wolves, but they’ve somehow come out with 6 pts.
I also wish we hadn’t gone and spaffed some of our prize pot on quite so many Championship standard players. Yup, Muric ,O Shea and Ogbenne have top level experience, but we just ended up gambling on the questionably half-decent cuts of relegated carcasses. Two of those cuts look pretty mouldy so far. Feel sorry for Ogbenne, he’s looked the best of those three by some margin.
We were dreadful against West Ham and Everton.
The optimistic stuff that I buy into…
It is only late October and we’re still a work in progress.
Delap was a brilliant piece of business. A fit Cajuste looks quality. Greaves is a half decent centre half. Sczmodics looks confident at this level. Kalvin Phillips shows flashes of real quality and, if he can get fit, could be a Ross Barkley type for us.
We looked good against Liverpool for 45 mins, Man City for nearly an hour, long parts of the Villa and Fulham games, somehow kept a clean sheet at Brighton and finally looked a threat up front today.
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 23:26 - Oct 26 with 1061 views | Vaughan8 |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 19:50 - Oct 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Those are the same reasons we weren't good enough to get promoted in either of the last two seasons. That, plus the fact we hadn't got a striker. |
I cannot believe you are being serious? Every mistake we make gets punished in this league.
Those other leagues we could outscore teams. In the Premier League, we can't unfortunately. | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 23:42 - Oct 26 with 994 views | itfc_statman |
I wish I could agree, and actually after the game I sort of did. But me being me, I looked at it from a statistical point of view as I have done every game this season and realistically there was only going to be one winner.
They created 4.1 xG vs our 1.30 xG
It's been a worrying trend all season. I know some don't like the stats side of the game but you can guarantee the analytical team will be looking at this and be hugely concerned.
What stats don't tell you is heart and desire. We show a lot of that but that doesn't keep you in this division. | | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 01:00 - Oct 27 with 915 views | TheBoyBlue |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 23:42 - Oct 26 by itfc_statman |
I wish I could agree, and actually after the game I sort of did. But me being me, I looked at it from a statistical point of view as I have done every game this season and realistically there was only going to be one winner.
They created 4.1 xG vs our 1.30 xG
It's been a worrying trend all season. I know some don't like the stats side of the game but you can guarantee the analytical team will be looking at this and be hugely concerned.
What stats don't tell you is heart and desire. We show a lot of that but that doesn't keep you in this division. |
Yet but for the width of a post we would've drawn.
That's before we even get on to being a man down and the huge and growing number of absentees. | |
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| I'm probably in the minority here. on 01:35 - Oct 27 with 901 views | vinceg |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 18:26 - Oct 26 by Garv |
Same. I was going to post a new thread having a whine at the whiners but I'll just do it here. To see people saying "I hate this league" because we're conceding goals is pathetic. Fair enough if you hate VAR (I do with a passion) and the PL brand, but don't suddenly pretend you don't want to be there because we're losing.
Did no one think we could have a difficult (more than difficult even) start to the season? Is it really unthinkable that we've lost three in a row? We'll go on longer losing runs this season than that.
Everton are a team we're not suited to playing against, in hindsight. As much as I can't stand them and think they're boring and don't like Dyche, they're better and stronger than they're made out to be. Without their deduction they were comfortably safe last season. Conclusion; far too much was made of last weekend's game.
We're fairly depleted today. No Axel, Hutchinson, Morsy, Taylor, Greaves, Ogbene off after half an hour (have I missed anyone?) and we go and score three away from home, and almost grabbed an equalizer at the very death. I don't like the penalty, it's another example of re-refereeing the game and I'm not sure it's a foul anyway. Why does every 50/50 have to be given one way or the other now - what happened to play on? Six of one etc. And I might be wrong but at first glance I thought Clarke got the ball for the second yellow.
Anyway, it's a game that gives me confidence because we're seeing fringe players start to get involved. That'll do wonders for George Hirst for example, he might now be thinking he should get a start against his old club next week.
We're going to concede goals and there's a question around the GK, but let's face it we conceded a lot last season and currently we have almost the same back four, it's going to happen. Just enjoy the entertainment, frankly who cares if we go down? It's what everyone expects anyway. [Post edited 26 Oct 2024 18:52]
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Well said. Glad I'm not the only one that thought Harry got the ball for the second yellow. He was as usual frequently out of position, getting drawn centrally away from his full back domain, and as a result caused himself/us problems, but there was no analysis on MOTD about the second yellow or the penalty which wasn't, just a passing comment about how "obviously" both were the right decision. So biased.
Agree there's questions about the GK, he must make the defence feel so jittery, but Brentford could've been out of sight but for 2 smart saves, so I think I'm still in favour of him starting ahead of Walton.
Was great to see Hirst start and he carried on as he left off last season, holding the ball up well and bring other players into the game. Great finish for his goal, he should start against Leicester. If I was a centre half who had played 75 minutes and I see the Delap battering ram come on, I'd be thinking, "oh ffs". Great finish from him as well from a dreamy ball by Leif.
Did we miss Morsy? Not so sure we did to be honest. Phillips had a much better game today in Morsy's position and pinged the ball nicely at times in a forward direction, a lot of first time stuff as opposed to Morsy taking 3 or 4 touches before passing. Cajuste looked a nice player at times too, think there's more to come from him.
Little mention for Cam. Wins every header, wins many tackles and hoofs it when necessary. Doesn't tit about.
Chappers and Szmodics good too. Premier League quality pinpoint pass from Chappers for George's goal, and a confident finish like last season by Sammie. More of the same please.
All is by no means lost. Even if we take half a season to adapt to the Prem, there's still half a season left after that. I'd like to see 10 more points before Christmas then we kick on from there. |  | | |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 08:36 - Oct 27 with 792 views | itfc_statman |
| I'm probably in the minority here. on 01:00 - Oct 27 by TheBoyBlue |
Yet but for the width of a post we would've drawn.
That's before we even get on to being a man down and the huge and growing number of absentees. |
Of course, and it would have been a great result.
But that's not how coaches and our analytical team will be looking at it. If we have to rely on a speculative edge of area wonder-goal to maybe get a draw, then tactically our system isn't doing enough to create enough high quality chances vs the quality of chances we're giving up.
Ultimately we're in the top league against good teams every week so it's not surprising really that we've only had a higher xG than our opponents in one game this season. But, unless the difference narrows then the history of football data suggests there's only one result. | | | |
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