| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:46 - Feb 15 with 2043 views | Churchman |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:44 - Feb 15 by Horsham |
‘This’
Other than having to overlook you calling me Benters and I’ll agree with you entirely. |
Ooops, sorry Tarquin 😃. Corrected. |  | |  |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:47 - Feb 15 with 2039 views | Horsham |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 09:45 - Feb 15 by Benters |
He’s not wrong ie this. |
So you’re in complete agreement with JD on everything? Saves having to think for yourself I guess. |  | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:49 - Feb 15 with 2026 views | Horsham |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:46 - Feb 15 by Churchman |
Ooops, sorry Tarquin 😃. Corrected. |
Ahem! | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts (n/t) on 10:51 - Feb 15 with 2014 views | Mercian |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 09:12 - Feb 15 by Churchman |
The problem is that I don’t think the current government gets it any more than the last shower did. Empty words from them. The reality is that they loathe any idea of spending money on defence. They are locked into the ‘peace dividend’ which means going to the budget well for other things.
Conduct a review, ignore it, while the army shrinks and equipment goes to the scrap heap or is sold. This is the policy and it won’t change. Vague promises of maybe this sometime when? Don’t bother Rachel. It’s as fictitious as your CV.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czep44jn9jyo
The army is much weaker than Dannett is saying. It’s down to just over 60k. Poor equipment, poor conditions, lack of political will and support. They’re not interested. The people who serve deserve so much better than this. Yes, the nature of war is changed by Russia/Ukraine but you’ll always need boots on the ground.
If we can find the money to line the pockets of Rishi and Boris’ mates during Covid, we can find the money to improve our defence capability. In an uncertain world it should be priority 1. |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:52 - Feb 15 with 2002 views | Mercian |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 09:12 - Feb 15 by Churchman |
The problem is that I don’t think the current government gets it any more than the last shower did. Empty words from them. The reality is that they loathe any idea of spending money on defence. They are locked into the ‘peace dividend’ which means going to the budget well for other things.
Conduct a review, ignore it, while the army shrinks and equipment goes to the scrap heap or is sold. This is the policy and it won’t change. Vague promises of maybe this sometime when? Don’t bother Rachel. It’s as fictitious as your CV.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czep44jn9jyo
The army is much weaker than Dannett is saying. It’s down to just over 60k. Poor equipment, poor conditions, lack of political will and support. They’re not interested. The people who serve deserve so much better than this. Yes, the nature of war is changed by Russia/Ukraine but you’ll always need boots on the ground.
If we can find the money to line the pockets of Rishi and Boris’ mates during Covid, we can find the money to improve our defence capability. In an uncertain world it should be priority 1. |
The conditions, equipment and the quality of both officers and soldiers is better than it has ever been. Your point about lack of political (and public) will and support is spot on though. It does not matter how good personnel, training, equipment and conditions are if the numbers are not there. | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:09 - Feb 15 with 1959 views | iamatractorboy |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:02 - Feb 15 by StokieBlue |
I think his point is you never actually add to any debates, you just reply "this" to either the most edgy or right-wing post in the thread.
Why not explain why it's "this" because to be honest I don't have a clue, don't be shy.
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Don't hold your breath |  | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:49 - Feb 15 with 1883 views | reusersfreekicks |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 23:29 - Feb 14 by itfc_bucks |
While the EU was and is primarily a trading bloc, it's inevitable that it will now be forced to become a tighter political union and, potentially, a standalone military alliance in replacement for a now impotent NATO.
Brexit will seem an even bigger cck up in light of such a move. |
Brexit was all part of the far right agenda to remove us from democratic Europe and align us with right wing USA.
Fook Trump Farage Vance and Musk |  | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:52 - Feb 15 with 1878 views | Plums |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:49 - Feb 15 by reusersfreekicks |
Brexit was all part of the far right agenda to remove us from democratic Europe and align us with right wing USA.
Fook Trump Farage Vance and Musk |
The agenda funded from Russia. The same Russia that barrel bombed Syria so their refugees flooded west at the point where absentee media barons were pumping out anti-EU rhetoric to force a catastrophic referendum.
There's a place in London beside the Thames for the enablers of this. We should use it. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:53 - Feb 15 with 1869 views | Plums |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 07:10 - Feb 15 by chicoazul |
Not sure if he’s wrong though. |
He said the biggest threat to the West is not China or Russia, it's the confected 'free speech' argument.
I don't see anyone curtailing his speech or anyone else's for that matter. [Post edited 15 Feb 11:53]
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 12:07 - Feb 15 with 1833 views | pointofblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 11:52 - Feb 15 by Plums |
The agenda funded from Russia. The same Russia that barrel bombed Syria so their refugees flooded west at the point where absentee media barons were pumping out anti-EU rhetoric to force a catastrophic referendum.
There's a place in London beside the Thames for the enablers of this. We should use it. |
The US have helped bring it on Europe too, with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Admittedly, some European countries joined in but they wouldn't have started those on their own accord. It was all about cosying up to Uncle Sam. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 14:45 - Feb 15 with 1709 views | redrickstuhaart |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 12:07 - Feb 15 by pointofblue |
The US have helped bring it on Europe too, with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Admittedly, some European countries joined in but they wouldn't have started those on their own accord. It was all about cosying up to Uncle Sam. |
And this, Mr Vance, is precisely why intelligent decent people who favour free speech, are often inclined to say it cannot be absolute. Deliberate, rabble rousing misinformation is at the foundation of so many problems and so much violence and division.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87d9j17pjqo
Extraordinary, dangerous, dishonest. Like his boss and his Boss's puppet master. | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 14:51 - Feb 15 with 1688 views | lowhouseblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 14:45 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
And this, Mr Vance, is precisely why intelligent decent people who favour free speech, are often inclined to say it cannot be absolute. Deliberate, rabble rousing misinformation is at the foundation of so many problems and so much violence and division.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87d9j17pjqo
Extraordinary, dangerous, dishonest. Like his boss and his Boss's puppet master. |
no one argues that free speech is absolute. articles 9 and 10 make it plain that free speech is not absolute. but free speech does certainly extend to things you disagree with and does apply to things you think are incorrect. however politically opposed t someone you are, they still have human rights under articles 9 and 10.
anyway, footy. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 14:57 - Feb 15 with 1669 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 10:47 - Feb 15 by Horsham |
So you’re in complete agreement with JD on everything? Saves having to think for yourself I guess. |
Totally in line with the Daily Mail ... just as it was in 1939. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:27 - Feb 15 with 1639 views | MalcolmBlue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 07:10 - Feb 15 by chicoazul |
Not sure if he’s wrong though. |
Please show your workings |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:49 - Feb 15 with 1595 views | redrickstuhaart |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 14:51 - Feb 15 by lowhouseblue |
no one argues that free speech is absolute. articles 9 and 10 make it plain that free speech is not absolute. but free speech does certainly extend to things you disagree with and does apply to things you think are incorrect. however politically opposed t someone you are, they still have human rights under articles 9 and 10.
anyway, footy. |
The point being that Vance doesnt agree with articles 9 and 10 and is criticising Europe for supposedly limiting free speech.
He has then lied blatantly to sow discord.
Scum. | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:54 - Feb 15 with 1567 views | lowhouseblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:49 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
The point being that Vance doesnt agree with articles 9 and 10 and is criticising Europe for supposedly limiting free speech.
He has then lied blatantly to sow discord.
Scum. |
free speech law in the us, which vance supports, is actually somewhat closer to absolutism.
that vance has lied blatantly to sow discord is your opinion and i defend to the utmost your right to express it. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:57 - Feb 15 with 1563 views | Kropotkin123 |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 09:45 - Feb 15 by Benters |
He’s not wrong ie this. |
Bit of a stupid thing to throw in the direction of the UK. We've had 14 years of conservative governance. In that time they ripped up the status quo with regards to immigration -
1. Ended the free movement of people in Europe by pulling us out of the EU.
2. Introduced a points-based immigration system
3. Made it illegal for people arriving on small boats to claim asylum.
4. Limited the scope of visas - Eg, student visa deny ability to bring families.
5. We have agreements in place with other nations to stop immigration. Over 600m signed off between 2021 and 2023 to given to France to help stop immigration to the UK. Returns agreements signed with India, Pakistan, and so on.
In many ways we are further ahead in our immigration restrictions than the US. For example:
1. They have birthright immigration, we do not.
2. We have salary thresholds, they do not. - bringing spouses, working visas
So he is wrong on immigration. Aside from deporting people who already have post-immigration status, I'm really struggling to see what people think should be done in a practical sense?
Then there is freedom of speech. You've never been freer to express your opinion to a massive audience. The biggest online readership of newspapers is the Sun. It's only behind the BBC overall and followed by Sky. Major social media is owned by the right Twitter = Musk. Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram is owned = Zuckerberg.
Where is the line to be drawn? |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:59 - Feb 15 with 1555 views | Swansea_Blue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 07:10 - Feb 15 by chicoazul |
Not sure if he’s wrong though. |
Of course he's wrong. We had a populist government for years and it was an absolute disaster - the country's in a mess as result, people are poorer and the UK is now less influential and more vulnerable to attacks like this. The idea that somehow the 'will of the people' has been ignored is a load of bollox. |  |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:02 - Feb 15 with 1547 views | redrickstuhaart |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:54 - Feb 15 by lowhouseblue |
free speech law in the us, which vance supports, is actually somewhat closer to absolutism.
that vance has lied blatantly to sow discord is your opinion and i defend to the utmost your right to express it. |
Its clear as day. Did you even read the article before suggesting otherwise?
Not an opinion. Clear fact.
This is a man who has claimed that people in Scotland have been sent letters warning them against praying, in their own homes, within 200m of an abortion clinic. This is outright untrue.
We cannot let this evil and dangerous form of "free speech" become the norm here. | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:05 - Feb 15 with 1533 views | lowhouseblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 15:57 - Feb 15 by Kropotkin123 |
Bit of a stupid thing to throw in the direction of the UK. We've had 14 years of conservative governance. In that time they ripped up the status quo with regards to immigration -
1. Ended the free movement of people in Europe by pulling us out of the EU.
2. Introduced a points-based immigration system
3. Made it illegal for people arriving on small boats to claim asylum.
4. Limited the scope of visas - Eg, student visa deny ability to bring families.
5. We have agreements in place with other nations to stop immigration. Over 600m signed off between 2021 and 2023 to given to France to help stop immigration to the UK. Returns agreements signed with India, Pakistan, and so on.
In many ways we are further ahead in our immigration restrictions than the US. For example:
1. They have birthright immigration, we do not.
2. We have salary thresholds, they do not. - bringing spouses, working visas
So he is wrong on immigration. Aside from deporting people who already have post-immigration status, I'm really struggling to see what people think should be done in a practical sense?
Then there is freedom of speech. You've never been freer to express your opinion to a massive audience. The biggest online readership of newspapers is the Sun. It's only behind the BBC overall and followed by Sky. Major social media is owned by the right Twitter = Musk. Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram is owned = Zuckerberg.
Where is the line to be drawn? |
according to the ons, in the past 4 years net immigration in the uk has totalled some 3 million. who made that decision, when was it announced, did the public get to express a view on it? the idea that immigration isn't a matter of public concern in the uk, or that it was reduced by the tories, is laughable. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:20 - Feb 15 with 1520 views | Kropotkin123 |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:05 - Feb 15 by lowhouseblue |
according to the ons, in the past 4 years net immigration in the uk has totalled some 3 million. who made that decision, when was it announced, did the public get to express a view on it? the idea that immigration isn't a matter of public concern in the uk, or that it was reduced by the tories, is laughable. |
So 14 years of disruptive immigration policies have totally failed? When Brexit happened it was celebrated as winning back control of our borders. Is it because people are still needed in our NHS, to pick crops on our industrial farms, and so on?
Again, where is the line? What do you actually want? Because many said the policies would fail because ultimately our systems need these people. Eg, you want less immigrants in the NHS, pay people a better salaries to be there and educate them. Eliminate the demand = no need for supply. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:23 - Feb 15 with 1507 views | redrickstuhaart |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:20 - Feb 15 by Kropotkin123 |
So 14 years of disruptive immigration policies have totally failed? When Brexit happened it was celebrated as winning back control of our borders. Is it because people are still needed in our NHS, to pick crops on our industrial farms, and so on?
Again, where is the line? What do you actually want? Because many said the policies would fail because ultimately our systems need these people. Eg, you want less immigrants in the NHS, pay people a better salaries to be there and educate them. Eliminate the demand = no need for supply. |
Governments are not honest about this.
They talk about immigration, but our economy and services will collapse without it.
We cant man the basic services, NHS, care homes etc without people from aborad willing to do those jobs.
Of course, some of that problem is the depression of public sector wages, and profiteering large companies who refuse to pay a reasonable basic wage and expect subsidy via benefits from the state. | | | |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:31 - Feb 15 with 1483 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:23 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Governments are not honest about this.
They talk about immigration, but our economy and services will collapse without it.
We cant man the basic services, NHS, care homes etc without people from aborad willing to do those jobs.
Of course, some of that problem is the depression of public sector wages, and profiteering large companies who refuse to pay a reasonable basic wage and expect subsidy via benefits from the state. |
They play to the electorate and the press. I am sure most voters believe the Conservatives have brought immigration down (or have been prevented from doing so by the EU or something ridiculous like that). It is in their interests to keep it as a (negative) issue whilst pretending to be the only party that will do something about it. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 18:01 - Feb 15 with 1406 views | lowhouseblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:23 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Governments are not honest about this.
They talk about immigration, but our economy and services will collapse without it.
We cant man the basic services, NHS, care homes etc without people from aborad willing to do those jobs.
Of course, some of that problem is the depression of public sector wages, and profiteering large companies who refuse to pay a reasonable basic wage and expect subsidy via benefits from the state. |
"They talk about immigration, but our economy and services will collapse without it.
We cant man the basic services, NHS, care homes etc without people from aborad willing to do those jobs."
this is the sort of thing that people repeat because it sounds lovely. but it is just not a factual explanation of current migration numbers. only a minority of the net migration of 3 million in the past 4 years have come to work. of those who have come to work a small minority are skilled. those who have come to work in the nhs or the care sector are a tiny proportion of the 3 million total. it's like saying that people own dogs because they guide the blind - well a very small proportion do. | |
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| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 18:05 - Feb 15 with 1379 views | lowhouseblue |
| JD Vance being somewhat rude to his hosts on 16:02 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Its clear as day. Did you even read the article before suggesting otherwise?
Not an opinion. Clear fact.
This is a man who has claimed that people in Scotland have been sent letters warning them against praying, in their own homes, within 200m of an abortion clinic. This is outright untrue.
We cannot let this evil and dangerous form of "free speech" become the norm here. |
railing against free speech is not a good look. best left to despots. | |
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