| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:01 - Apr 10 with 1301 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. |
If it bothered Man City that much that a rival was getting the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts. - they could just activate the £40m buyback clause. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:02 - Apr 10 with 1306 views | itfc_statman |
Out of everything the most concerning thing is how many people don't understand the standard procedure on how options-to-buy work.
It's pretty clear it's £30 million. It is what it is. Delap's team will have insisted upon it. We could have possibly negotiated harder on this but with Southampton ready too, it might have been the swinging factor to us.
On a related but not-specific note, I do think MA has been somewhat over-indulged on here and he's not as good as some thing - I suspect Gamechanger will have moved him on in the next 18 months or so. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:03 - Apr 10 with 1288 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. |
I doubt Man City were privy to that aspect of the deal, would have been between Town and the player. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:05 - Apr 10 with 1274 views | berkstractorboy |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:52 - Apr 10 by PrideOfTheEast |
It wasn't leaked to him by the club, obviously. |
The inference in the post I replied to is Nick Ames has the detail as ITK at Town. To me it implies the details coming from connections within ITFC. If the agent has given details, that is about journo connections with agents and not Ames being ITK at ITFC as a fan. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:07 - Apr 10 with 1251 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:01 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
If it bothered Man City that much that a rival was getting the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts. - they could just activate the £40m buyback clause. |
Everyone's been confidently predicting we're only getting £30m... yet Man City could potentially buy him back for more than the release clause! Why would Man City invoke the buyback clause and pay £40m if they could pay £30m?!
I think I need a lie down. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:09 - Apr 10 with 1236 views | berkstractorboy |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:39 - Apr 10 by Juggsy |
Ashton should have kept his gob shut about being well, well, well protected shouldn't he? The truth probably looks more that we wouldn't have signed Delap without these clauses in place to protect his future and we hadn't signed him then Southampton were lined up to sign him on those terms. If the 30m plus 20% of profits to Man City is true then Ashtons expectation management of fans has been severely lacking there. I love that we had him for a year, but sometimes less words out in public would maybe serve us better.
EDIT: Didn't mean to quote you there TheFlashingSmile, was not a post in answer to yours! [Post edited 10 Apr 9:41]
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Depends on definition of well, well, well protected. If we did pay £15M and the release clause is £30M then 100% profit (before City get the sell on %) might be what MA considers well protected.
Fans seem to have different opinions on the value of the deal based on much less factual info than MA has on both the purchase cost and the contract agreed to which MA may have had very little or zero opportunity to negotiate based on other interest in the player. | | | |
| Our “player trading” has been…. on 12:10 - Apr 10 with 1241 views | Bloots |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:02 - Apr 10 by itfc_statman |
Out of everything the most concerning thing is how many people don't understand the standard procedure on how options-to-buy work.
It's pretty clear it's £30 million. It is what it is. Delap's team will have insisted upon it. We could have possibly negotiated harder on this but with Southampton ready too, it might have been the swinging factor to us.
On a related but not-specific note, I do think MA has been somewhat over-indulged on here and he's not as good as some thing - I suspect Gamechanger will have moved him on in the next 18 months or so. |
….pretty woeful since he’s been here.
Like you, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone once the work on the training ground is well underway.
Get a proper director of football in, not one of Ashton’s mates.
Ruthless. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:11 - Apr 10 with 1224 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:02 - Apr 10 by itfc_statman |
Out of everything the most concerning thing is how many people don't understand the standard procedure on how options-to-buy work.
It's pretty clear it's £30 million. It is what it is. Delap's team will have insisted upon it. We could have possibly negotiated harder on this but with Southampton ready too, it might have been the swinging factor to us.
On a related but not-specific note, I do think MA has been somewhat over-indulged on here and he's not as good as some thing - I suspect Gamechanger will have moved him on in the next 18 months or so. |
You think the most concerning thing is ordinary football supporters don't know the intricate workings of Premier League football contracts?!
Ashton himself has said contracts are way more complicated in the Prem (and seem to have taken way longer to resolve than in League 1 and the Champ) so I'm not sure why you think us plebs on here ought to know more. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:12 - Apr 10 with 1210 views | sjg |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:13 - Apr 10 with 1201 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:03 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
I doubt Man City were privy to that aspect of the deal, would have been between Town and the player. |
Oh right, I would've assumed Man City would be all over all aspects of a transfer.
So we've had our pants pulled down by Man City AND Delap. We're going to get frostbite at this rate! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:15 - Apr 10 with 1184 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:07 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Everyone's been confidently predicting we're only getting £30m... yet Man City could potentially buy him back for more than the release clause! Why would Man City invoke the buyback clause and pay £40m if they could pay £30m?!
I think I need a lie down. |
I would assume (in general terms - Phil might correct)
£40m buyback - would guarantee he returns to City - potentially on already pre-agreed terms as part of the signing
£30m release clause - would have City competing with everyone else for his signature - so Delap could choose where to go
Don't we all! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:17 - Apr 10 with 1149 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:02 - Apr 10 by itfc_statman |
Out of everything the most concerning thing is how many people don't understand the standard procedure on how options-to-buy work.
It's pretty clear it's £30 million. It is what it is. Delap's team will have insisted upon it. We could have possibly negotiated harder on this but with Southampton ready too, it might have been the swinging factor to us.
On a related but not-specific note, I do think MA has been somewhat over-indulged on here and he's not as good as some thing - I suspect Gamechanger will have moved him on in the next 18 months or so. |
It's amazing to me how much cr@p gets posted.
An option to buy relates to loan agreements. This is all about a relegation release clause - it's not an option to buy, and there's no such thing as a standard contract in Premier League football. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:18 - Apr 10 with 1144 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:15 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
I would assume (in general terms - Phil might correct)
£40m buyback - would guarantee he returns to City - potentially on already pre-agreed terms as part of the signing
£30m release clause - would have City competing with everyone else for his signature - so Delap could choose where to go
Don't we all! |
Then again, that extra £10m they could whack onto his wages and still win the race.
Maybe he won't want to go there anyway, when they're playing in the Champ next season  | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:24 - Apr 10 with 1092 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:15 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
I would assume (in general terms - Phil might correct)
£40m buyback - would guarantee he returns to City - potentially on already pre-agreed terms as part of the signing
£30m release clause - would have City competing with everyone else for his signature - so Delap could choose where to go
Don't we all! |
Yup, this would be the difference - the buy-back clause would trump anything else, and of course needs to be triggered by us first beginning negotiations to selling Delap to someone.
If a relegation release clause starts the selling process (as looks likely), Man City would be able to jump in at any point prior to a contract being signed and say 'sorry, we don't want you to sell to X, we're invoking our buy-back rights' | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:31 - Apr 10 with 1037 views | itfc48 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:52 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed. Why would anyone offer any more if an offer at that level has to be accepted? Once offers are accepted - and my understanding is that the £30m is correct - the bidding war in terms of personal terms gets under way. |
I’m guessing the clause would have to be paid up front in full so there’s a chance someone might go slightly higher if we accepted instalments instead. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 13:06 - Apr 10 with 950 views | itfc_statman |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:17 - Apr 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It's amazing to me how much cr@p gets posted.
An option to buy relates to loan agreements. This is all about a relegation release clause - it's not an option to buy, and there's no such thing as a standard contract in Premier League football. |
Yes. Of course. It's a release clause based on the event of relegation. That people on here think if a release clause is set at £30 million it could end up being far more due to a "bidding war" is the aspect that you'd think anyone following football would have sussed by now. | | | |
| Our “player trading” has been…. on 13:07 - Apr 10 with 947 views | itfc_statman |
| Our “player trading” has been…. on 12:10 - Apr 10 by Bloots |
….pretty woeful since he’s been here.
Like you, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone once the work on the training ground is well underway.
Get a proper director of football in, not one of Ashton’s mates.
Ruthless. |
Yep, and with our standing / ownership and in theory a top manager in place, an experienced DoF looking for a project would likely be very interested. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 13:54 - Apr 10 with 840 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 12:31 - Apr 10 by itfc48 |
I’m guessing the clause would have to be paid up front in full so there’s a chance someone might go slightly higher if we accepted instalments instead. |
Stop clutching at straws. He's going for 30m. We will pay 20% of that to City, We'll make about 8m. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:04 - Apr 10 with 790 views | itfc48 |
Having had a chance to think about it, in a normal world without Chelsea paying silly prices it’s not the worst fee when you take off the blue tinted specs. Yes he’s got some great attributes and done some impressive things however he’s still very raw and inexperienced at the top level. For example his hold up play is still a bit hit and miss and he needs to improve in the air. I think the way teams have played against us has suited him somewhat.
If you compare to Strand-Larsen who is costing Wolves €30m. He’s not got the raw power of Delap however he’s a more complete striker as his movement, how he linked the play and also use of his body is more advanced to where Delap is at. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:05 - Apr 10 with 790 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:15 - Apr 10 with 738 views | Bloots |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. |
No | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:26 - Apr 10 with 678 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:15 - Apr 10 by Bloots |
No |
Is there an echo in here? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:41 - Apr 10 with 642 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:26 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is there an echo in here? |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:41 - Apr 10 with 632 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:41 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 14:43 - Apr 10 with 602 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 13:54 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
Stop clutching at straws. He's going for 30m. We will pay 20% of that to City, We'll make about 8m. |
We'll pay 20 per cent of profit to City - I'm assuming as that's almost always the case - so I make that £12m. | | | |
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